Swoopy stroke on Myth Busters

Mythbuster's analysis is flawed. If the gun barrel is moving laterally when fired, the bullet is traveling laterally, too while it is in the barrel. Once it leaves the barrel, the side motion is no longer being applied, but it is then on a trajectory with the lateral vector added to the barrel's outbound vector. It would travel in a direct straight line because there is no longer side influence, but not directly in line with where the barrel was pointing when the the bullet left the barrel. Kind of like throwing a baseball straight out the window of a moving car. It would travel in a straight line (assuming no spin on the ball), but would land "down the road" from where it left the window.
 
justnum said:
I present the first ever swoop stroke video with proper swoop cue tip.
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Someone invented something like this, and seemed to get half way to selling it. Their web site looks almost-finished (and abandoned a long time ago), which is a shame because the product looked interesting. Essentially a high-grip tip and sleeve that sides over the end of your regular cue and makes masses easy.

From memory (I looked at their site a few years ago), I think they had a patent, so when that expires (which might not be too long - they last 20 years) maybe someone else will try to make one.

http://www.twistertip.com/34.html
 
Pin said:
Someone invented something like this, and seemed to get half way to selling it. Their web site looks almost-finished (and abandoned a long time ago), which is a shame because the product looked interesting. Essentially a high-grip tip and sleeve that sides over the end of your regular cue and makes masses easy.

From memory (I looked at their site a few years ago), I think they had a patent, so when that expires (which might not be too long - they last 20 years) maybe someone else will try to make one.

http://www.twistertip.com/34.html
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My product is technically not the same. I am promoting it as a swooping cue with a swooping cue tip.

Since I will be the first and leader in the swooping cue industry, I just want to thank all the AZBilliards for helping me keep my pool dream alive.



If they don't renew the website there will be no record of it on the internet starting next year. Mar 10 2022 is the exciting date.

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Chili Palmer said:
That's my view on shaft's, build 10 shafts out of the same chunk of tree and they'll all play differently. Mother Nature is going to do what she wants to do ;)
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I had a piece of 1"x12" cypress. It had been cut and dried back when they left the wood to dry naturally for a year or so. Then it was nailed inside a wall for over a hundred years. It was a nice flat bland piece of wood like most cypress so I took a wild hair to make a shaft out of it. I didn't expect much because cypress is so soft. First thing cut a square off of one side. By the time I had cut a foot deep the eleven inch part was curling down a little but that one inch part had curled up and out several inches and twisted a full 180 degrees with the top on bottom now! That board was nice and straight and had as straight a grain as could be hoped for. It also had internal stress you would have to see to believe! I didn't finish that cut, just left the board around the shop to show people sometimes wood does what it wants to do!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
... By the time I had cut a foot deep the eleven inch part was curling down a little but that one inch part had curled up and out several inches and twisted a full 180 degrees with the top on bottom now! ....
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If only you could have figured out how to turn it into a shaft, it would have been awesome! Even better than....

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I had a very good young player show me a opponents shot from a 1 pkt match that he couldnt accomplish. I shot it about 3 times for him and he still couldn't come close. I then realized my piss poor swoopy stroke was actually a slight masse that achieved the desired results. I told him its a slight masse, he shot it as a slight masse and made the shot. He then commented he would never try that in a game.
I said never say never !
 
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The barrel straightens out the bullet first of all but the proportion of lateral force vs forward thrust isn't much of a balance. If a revolving tethered ball is suddenly released, it goes straight on a line from the center. Where does the lateral motion go?
 
Pin said:
Someone invented something like this, and seemed to get half way to selling it. Their web site looks almost-finished (and abandoned a long time ago), which is a shame because the product looked interesting. Essentially a high-grip tip and sleeve that sides over the end of your regular cue and makes masses easy.

From memory (I looked at their site a few years ago), I think they had a patent, so when that expires (which might not be too long - they last 20 years) maybe someone else will try to make one.

http://www.twistertip.com/34.html
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I own one of these and it does work.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
Some people believe they can get some kind of special action with a swooping stroke in which the whole cue is turning to one side or another at the instant of contact. The orthodox alternative is the much simpler way of stroking straight through the ball.

Here is the similar idea using firearms.

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I used to feel as you did about the swoop stroke, because I know that no pool stroke can disobey the laws of physics.

After I realized, however, how a swoop stroke can position the cue stick for english, but with less aim adjustment than other english strokes require . . .
 
I feel like swooping strokes are driven by people misapplying stuff they’ve seen in ping pong or tennis where various spins are imparted on a ball moving toward them and they are striking with a flat surface that can’t just precisely hit an off center point on a stationary ball. And tennis gets a lot of action through the air with just a little spin due to the Bernoulli principle. But pool is simply different. The moment of contact is too short and the ability to impart a ton of spin with a controlled straight forward effort is already available.

It reminds me of people that think they can get special action by snapping their wrist on a pool stroke because of taking a bad analogy from martial arts of a twisting fists on a punch for more power.
 
MattPoland said:
I feel like swooping strokes are driven by people misapplying stuff they’ve seen in ping pong or tennis where various spins are imparted on a ball moving toward them and they are striking with a flat surface that can’t just precisely hit an off center point on a stationary ball. And tennis gets a lot of action through the air with just a little spin due to the Bernoulli principle. But pool is simply different. The moment of contact is too short and the ability to impart a ton of spin with a controlled straight forward effort is already available.

It reminds me of people that think they can get special action by snapping their wrist on a pool stroke because of taking a bad analogy from martial arts of a twisting fists on a punch for more power.
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Swooping strokes and other bad habits were often the result of most of us having to learn on our own before the day of the internet or the open availability of information today. It used to be a person would be a good player's flunky to maybe be given one or two bits of knowledge a day.

The old shortstop who chose to mentor me a little bit after seeing my dedication to the game used to get angry when someone wanted to buy lessons. He felt they were trying to get his years of experience cheap! After fifty years I can still hear his growl, "I'll give them all the lessons they want, for ten a game!" RIP my friend, I still miss you.

Hu
 
Pin said:
Where did you buy it? I'd not been able to find them
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Bought it on eBay about 10 years ago you can see me using it at the 12 second mark in this video


The last shot of the video is the shot I invented that is insane
 
Pin said:
Someone invented something like this, and seemed to get half way to selling it. Their web site looks almost-finished (and abandoned a long time ago), which is a shame because the product looked interesting. Essentially a high-grip tip and sleeve that sides over the end of your regular cue and makes masses easy.

From memory (I looked at their site a few years ago), I think they had a patent, so when that expires (which might not be too long - they last 20 years) maybe someone else will try to make one.

http://www.twistertip.com/34.html
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I bought one of these out of curiosity. It was fun to fool with. Not very useful.
 
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