Synthetic tip?
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their email contacts are: info(at)os-cues.de and info(at)billard-ernst.de
Cosmo420 said:
I'm trying to follow your rationale but it just doesn't seem to wash.
You say that you don't want to replace the tip with leather because you don't want to be part of the replenishment process. That's all well and good but the 100,000s of cattle, pigs, horses, buffalo, water-buffalo & etc. that are slaughtered everyday are NOT giving their lives so we can play pool. They are slaughtered so that we can eat. They die so that we can live. That's the deal. It's called 'the food-chain'.
The hides are a by-product. They'd go to waste if we didn't find a use for them. Don't think for a minute that even one veal calf will be spared because you and everyone that you know don't replace your tips with ones made from leather. The animals will continue to be slaughtered and it has nothing to do with pool and/or people who use leather tips. Everyone in the world could stop using leather tips and it wouldn't change the number of animals being killed by even one.
The symbolism of your cause can be considered noble, to an extent, but I'd advise you to choose your battles wisely. I think that you would agree that it pales in comparison to the fact that 10,000,000 babies and small children lose their lives every year to starvation and simple diseases that are easily preventable by basic nutrition. That's 27,397 babies a day. Do you see the irony here? You want to personally boycott the use of leather for tips in an attempt to stop/reduce the number of animals being slaughtered (as a food source), yet babies are dying daily because they don't have ANYTHING to eat.
I believe in idealism but I also live in the real-world. Some battles you've got a shot at winning. Some shouldn't be engaged.
Yep, and how many household products, cleaners, Chapstick, etc, contain animal by products. I would think that if a die hard veganis going to boycott
a small leather tip, that they better police their homes pretty carefully.
I've yet to find a pair of canvas steel toed boots for construction work.
And even if you allow yourself dairy products, have you ever seen a stanchion barn, pretty inhumane.
a small leather tip, that they better police their homes pretty carefully.
I've yet to find a pair of canvas steel toed boots for construction work.
And even if you allow yourself dairy products, have you ever seen a stanchion barn, pretty inhumane.
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don't forget that he asked for help.
i don't care, why someone is a vegan (nor a christ, a muslim or a mormon...) in the land of the free. he has the right to live like that, if he wants to.
hope i could help!
i don't care, why someone is a vegan (nor a christ, a muslim or a mormon...) in the land of the free. he has the right to live like that, if he wants to.
hope i could help!
Almost every product uses animal products at various stages of its many stages of production. If anyone doubts this, read the famous essay, I Pencil: http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Essays/rdPncl1.htmlBlue Hog ridr said:
To take pure veganism to its logical conclusion would require a conversion to primitivism and hence extreme deprivation. That is, producing almost everything you need from scratch and from raw materials.
As someone mentioned, everyone should be free to be vegan or to take their veganism to whatever point they want. But I just wanted to point out the impracticality of doing so.
Colin - A reformed vegan.
I don't think that it is his intention or need to justify his lifestyle decision to anyone On AZ, or anywhere else, for that matter. He plainly asked about synthetic tips. He wants an alternative. No need to debate veganism(is that a word?), animal rights, food chain, or anything like that.
I'm probably the biggest meat eater you will find BUT I respect his decision and will do what I can to help. On AZ, it doesn't matter how you live, just as long as you love and respect the game of pool.
I'm probably the biggest meat eater you will find BUT I respect his decision and will do what I can to help. On AZ, it doesn't matter how you live, just as long as you love and respect the game of pool.
Tried to give you rep for this one, but it says I need to spread some around first.
Tap, tap tap!!!!!
ratcues said:
Tap, tap tap!!!!!
did it in your name!
feel like you repped him!
Bill the Cat said:
feel like you repped him!
dave sutton
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KJ Cues said:
well said sir. i wasnt gonna post here but you hit the nail on the head, karate kid style
dave sutton
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we agree alot now but not here. he put it out there for all to see so obv it will be discussed. if he just wanted a synthetic tip he could have just asked for that and left out the reasoning.masonh said:
im more with kj on this one. however i did watch the HBO special on PETA and have to say tyhe animal cruelty was disturbing. i havent stopped thingking about that for months. horrible but there are certin things "we" have to do to survive. bet if he was stuck in new orleans or some other hurricane devastated area of our country and went 5 days without food and water he would look at a cheeseburger a little different
dave sutton said:
Yes, he put it out there but not to be discussed. It was just a reason that, inevitably would have been asked of him, if it was not in the original post.
What does the being a vegan have to do with billiards? He was not telling you or KJ to become vegans. He was not standing on a soapbox looking down on those who are not. He was simply asking for a synthetic tip. Why turn it into a lifestyle, ethical, or moral debate?
Cosmo420, send me your shafts and I will install the tips for free.
KJ Cues said:
I know a can of worms when I see it, thank you very much...
True, I can't stop animals being killed all by myself. I never thought or claimed that I could. However, I choose not to contribute to it. I'm not asking you or anyone else to agree with me or see things the way I do. You have the right to make your own choices and live your life the way you see fit, and I have the right to do the same, don't I?
There are many, many reasons I live my life the way I do, but that is a subject for another thread. If anyone really wants to know, feel free to PM me. But, that's getting off the subject of this thread. I was looking for an alternative to animal products. Hopefully, I've found it...
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dave sutton said:
No, I didn't put it out there to be discussed. Although, I don't really object to it being discussed. I mentioned it in my original post because if I had just asked "are there any synthetic tips" everyone would have said "no, just use a leather one", and I would have then had to explain why I don't want to use a leather tip.
dave sutton said:
That's one of the things that people ask me a lot, actually. Well, it's usually "If you were stuck on a desert island with only a cow, would you eat it?".
And, just to satisfy the curiosity of everyone, I'll go ahead and answer it...
I don't know.
If I'm ever in the situation where I have to eat an animal to survive, I would assume I would probably eat it so that I wouldn't die. However, I have never been in that situation, and I don't know that I ever will. Does that make me a hypocrite? I don't think so. Would a Jewish person eat pork if they had to do it to survive? I'm sure they would. Does that make them any less Jewish? I think not. Of course, I think the chances of a Jewish person being stuck on an island with a pig are about the same as me being stuck on an island with any kind of animal...
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ratcues said:Yes, he put it out there but not to be discussed. It was just a reason that, inevitably would have been asked of him, if it was not in the original post.
What does the being a vegan have to do with billiards? He was not telling you or KJ to become vegans. He was not standing on a soapbox looking down on those who are not. He was simply asking for a synthetic tip. Why turn it into a lifestyle, ethical, or moral debate?
Cosmo420, send me your shafts and I will install the tips for free.
Thanks Ryan...
Why don't you take on the challenge of producing a tip from organic fibers? It's very plausible, but nobody has pursued that I know of. Reinforced tree bark would be a place to start. Whether a tree or an animal, we all have skin that protects us. Laminated high fiber leaves would be another area to look at. Lots of possibilities & lots of room for invention. What could be a higher example of veganism than having a manufactured organic tip? And who better to introduce it to the billiard world than the first player to request it? Neccesity fuels invention.
qbilder said:
You've never met my wife. If I took on another business venture, I'd be looking for a place to live, not a cue tip...
Seriously, though, I may look into it, but I don't have the resources or know-how to do it. Plus, I'd think the market would be sort of small. If it played better than the ones out there, that would be one thing. But if it only played the same, the only people that would want to use it would be people like me, and I'd be willing to bet I'm in the distinct minority...