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Jonni Fulcher is a nuclear physicist: http://sports.inquirer.net/sport/bi...ton-smashing-physicist-crushes-pool-balls-too
CJ,
I think we're on the same page as I was just thinking what you are, I think.
I had been aligning CTE for the long thin ones & I make most all of them but then that over cut pops up on the ones that are very thin & far from the pocket.
I think I am also a bit concerned about maybe not getting them to the pocket so that also may be making me hit them a bit too hard.
I'm playing with an OB Pro 11.75mm shaft on 9' Simonis cloth tables so I don't think I can use CTC & create enough angle. But I will try aligning to the 1/4 ball line & will see what shakes out with that.
I've not yet gone to your sectional CB for alignments but that's on the list now that I'm not completing & can spend some inconsequential time to get accustomed to it.
Again, Thanks for Everything & All of 'Best' to You & Yours,
Rick
PS We're waiting to hear more from You on many fronts.:wink:
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I have no real idea to what you're refering.
Any angle shot can be shot (& pocketed) with TOI.
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I haven't read this entire thread, nor do I have a full understanding of the TOI philosophy, but based on what I have seen and heard, and since I was asked to provide input, I think the following thought experiment (or actual experiment if you have access to a table and have some patience) can be helpful:
With a center-ball aim,
1.) slight error to the inside results in a TOI (touch of inside).
2.) no error results in a pure center-ball hit.
3.) slight error to the outside results in a TOO (touch of outside).
With a TOI aim,
4.) slight error to the inside results in more than a TOI.
5.) no error results in a TOI.
6.) slight error to the outside results in either a pure center-ball hit or a slight TOO.
The real question is: Are 4, 5 and 6 better outcomes than 1, 2 and 3, in general. I personally don't think so, and there are clear and solid arguments that back up this viewpoint.
For straight shots, especially long shots with tight pockets, an attempted center-ball hit will obviously result in the most accuracy and consistency (unless there are problems with visual alignment).
For cut shots, the choice of inside vs. outside will often depend on CB position control requirements, so we don't always have a choice. If there are no english requirements on a cut shot, an argument can easily be made for either a touch (or more) of either inside or outside english. I think for most people (especially those who don't have a solid understanding and/or intuition of all important effects involved with aiming with english), no english at all will be the most effective choice, assuming the person isn't relying on english to help correct faulty aim or visual alignment. And for some people (especially under clingy conditions), outside english will be the best choice (especially if one knows how to judge the gearing amount of outside english appropriate for each cut angle).
For those interested, arguments supporting the use of inside english can be found on the inside english resource page, and arguments supporting the use of outside english can be found on the outside english resource page.
Enjoy,
Dave
I do and I have , my results are in line with your statements ,, and the one that I find to be most accurate is center ball on a straight in shot is by far and away the most accurate ,,
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Bumped for the edit.
Edit: Any angle shot can be shot (& pocketed) with TOI, even a straight in shot, but...I guess it would actually turn into TOO since the touch is on the outside of the artificially created angle.
If the pocket is wide open, I'd probably shoot a long straight in shot with center as there is a reasonable margin for error in both directions.
But... if part of the pocket is blocked by another ball, I'd 'aim' or align wide & shoot with TOI or TOO to be technically correct. But... the concept is to use the squirt like with TOI.
Perhaps that is because of the experience one gets with cheating the pocket to the full, center, & thin parts of the pocket with TOI.
That said, I've been cheating pockets with english for more than 4.5 decades. It's just more simple to do with TOI rather than with the spin of english.
Best to All,
Rick
Once a player learns this knowledge they can incorporate it any way they choose
Creating angles is the foundation of the Game of pool. What makes the process engaging is how pocket billiards perfectly aligns to our subconscious minds - this is why I'm convinced it's the "Master Game," it teaches much more than what's on the surface level. [Geometric figures from thousands of years ago still baffle science]
What ends up happening is we discover that the TIP and the Cue connect us to the geometry of the game. We are dealing with a large rectangle, made up of two squares, and various triangles created by the cue ball and object ball paths. The Diamonds create a useful tool to reduce these angles down into "micro-versions" of the table.
The questions is "how does the straight line of the cue, connected to the spheres of the balls and also connect to the geometry of the pool table (using the Diamonds)"?
It took us 43 chapters to demonstrate and explain this relationship in the video 'Tip Banking Secrets'. What we revealed is fascinating because it unlocks the why's and how''s of creating specific angles using the TIP and the Diamonds on the table.
Once a player learns this knowledge they can incorporate it any way they choose with their own style. Pocket billiards is a very creative game, and our imaginations (the only thing we have complete control over) are vital to play our best .
Learning to tap into the part of our minds that connect us to our creativity and imagination gives us unlimited enthusiasm, and potential. Whatever someone chooses to do with this power depends on their primary goal in life. Without a primary goal our minds lack direction and produce we don't want (out of life), rather than what we do want
Once we can do this in one thing (like pool, music, art, etc) we can build a bridge to whatever we choose. This does take one element that will keep many people from taking this path.....they must make the decision, and the inability to make a decision has kept many a good man (and woman) from a healthy, prosperous and happy life.
I've been working on creating angles out of nothing. With the proper stroke and tip position, the cue ball does a lot more things than it could in the past, for me.
Congrats on the jackpot run!
Best,
Mike
Creating angles is the foundation of the Game of pool. What makes the process engaging is how pocket billiards perfectly aligns to our subconscious minds - this is why I'm convinced it's the "Master Game," it teaches much more than what's on the surface level. [Geometric figures from thousands of years ago still baffle science]
What ends up happening is we discover that the TIP and the Cue connect us to the geometry of the game. We are dealing with a large rectangle, made up of two squares, and various triangles created by the cue ball and object ball paths. The Diamonds create a useful tool to reduce these angles down into "micro-versions" of the table.
The questions is "how does the straight line of the cue, connected to the spheres of the balls and also connect to the geometry of the pool table (using the Diamonds)"?
It took us 43 chapters to demonstrate and explain this relationship in the video 'Tip Banking Secrets'. What we revealed is fascinating because it unlocks the why's and how''s of creating specific angles using the TIP and the Diamonds on the table.
Once a player learns this knowledge they can incorporate it any way they choose with their own style. Pocket billiards is a very creative game, and our imaginations (the only thing we have complete control over) are vital to play our best .
Learning to tap into the part of our minds that connect us to our creativity and imagination gives us unlimited enthusiasm, and potential. Whatever someone chooses to do with this power depends on their primary goal in life. Without a primary goal our minds lack direction and produce we don't want (out of life), rather than what we do want
Once we can do this in one thing (like pool, music, art, etc) we can build a bridge to whatever we choose. This does take one element that will keep many people from taking this path.....they must make the decision, and the inability to make a decision has kept many a good man (and woman) from a healthy, prosperous and happy life.
Seems to me that just aiming at the part of the pocket you want to hit is the most simple.
pj
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The wisdom of the chair.
You sound like the type of guy that would tell a bowler they'd be better off throwing a straight ball and aim directly at the head pin.
Or you'd go to a professional golfer and tell that they'd be better off aiming at the center of the fairway and hit a straight shot.
You sound like the type of guy that would tell a bowler they'd be better off throwing a straight ball and aim directly at the head pin.
Or you'd go to a professional golfer and tell that they'd be better off aiming at the center of the fairway and hit a straight shot.
I would certainly not say anything this silly or uninformed. There are tremendous advantages to throwing a curve in bowling to maximize oil-pattern performance and to create more-favorable angles into the "pocket". There really isn't a good analogy to this in pool (other than the fact that masse shots in pool have similar physics to curve balls in bowling ... they also both look cool).
That would also be a silly thing to say. Again, the physics of golf ball flight is radically different from the physics of a pool shot (even though there are lots of similarities in the mental aspects and pre-shot routines of pool, bowling, and golf).
Regards,
Dave
Dam your so predictable I knew you were going to bring that up , not even close to the same thing
Edited because I see Dr Dave beat me to it
debating, in a professional manner can be very rewarding to everyone.
This wasn't an analogy, I said you remind me of guy that would say these off the wall things for whatever reason. I don't know you, although I have seen the video of you playing pool. By the way, I was really wondering how you get down on the shot, it's certainly unique.
If you truly want to debate this with me maybe we could do it on the phone with azbilliards.com ......I think it would be very interesting to players, and then I'd have a chance to add another level to the information I've already released.
It's up to you, debating, in a professional manner can be very rewarding to everyone. Then you would have a chance to elaborate on your points and statements.
This wasn't an analogy, I said you remind me of guy that would say these off the wall things for whatever reason. I don't know you, although I have seen the video of you playing pool. By the way, I was really wondering how you get down on the shot, it's certainly unique.
If you truly want to debate this with me maybe we could do it on the phone with azbilliards.com ......I think it would be very interesting to players, and then I'd have a chance to add another level to the information I've already released.
It's up to you, debating, in a professional manner can be very rewarding to everyone. Then you would have a chance to elaborate on your points and statements.
I might agree with you, IF... one could ALWAYS put the exact center of the 3mm diameter tip contact area on the exact center line of that 2 1/4" diameter sphere.
BUT...even then one must also choose the exact spot on the object ball to hit with the exact spot on the cue ball to send it into the pocket, naturally within the margin for error that the 'oversized' pocket allows.
Now... naturally the science is the same regardless of what method one uses.
But... the difference is that there are less precise (intellectual) choices to be made with TOI as it is a rather dynamic feel based method. At least it is to me. Therefore it is the more simple to execute successfully.
Best 2 you & All,
Rick
PS PJ, Please consider that Mike, I, & others are very experienced players & are not some new, inexperienced youngsters to be taken in with false claims. We've tested CJ's methods & found them to be improvements, for whatever reason(s), over what we were doing before. I'm a very logical person but I know to fight what works would be illogical.
PSS I've said before somewhere that while center ball may be the more simple concept, it may not be the most simple to execute. Simple is not always the best. The Universe is very complex & so is the human mind. I did not say brain. I said 'mind'.
PSSS Some see components of the game as their enemy & want to eliminate them. Some see those same components as simply a part of the game & embraces them & learn how to use them to their benefit. If one could truly eliminate those components then they would be playing a different game. But...they're not playing a different game & those components are still there & can pop up at any time & be their enemy.
PSSSS I guess it truly is different strokes for different folks
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Earl Strickland- what he thinks is the relationship between the physics of pool-golf
Let's hear from Earl Strickland what he thinks is the relationship between the physics of pool, golf and other games like golf - CLICK HERE FOR LINK - Earl's interview immediately follows mine, done at a TV interview in New York City.
Let's hear from Earl Strickland what he thinks is the relationship between the physics of pool, golf and other games like golf - CLICK HERE FOR LINK - Earl's interview immediately follows mine, done at a TV interview in New York City.
This wasn't an analogy, I said you remind me of guy that would say these off the wall things for whatever reason. I don't know you, although I have seen the video of you playing pool. By the way, I was really wondering how you get down on the shot, it's certainly unique.
If you truly want to debate this with me maybe we could do it on the phone with azbilliards.com ......I think it would be very interesting to players, and then I'd have a chance to add another level to the information I've already released.
It's up to you, debating, in a professional manner can be very rewarding to everyone. Then you would have a chance to elaborate on your points and statements.
Quick, someone post a "Pot Meet Kettle" pic.
As for Dave playing, if you'd paid attention to the 9ball ghost thread, you'd see that he can easily beat the ghost. I haven't seen you post any videos in the thread. I guess that means Dave is better than you, or do you only contribute to the forums when you can benefit?
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I'm sure "Dr Dave" is a smart guy, although his pool playing ability is a mystery
I'm sure "Dr Dave" is a smart guy, although his pool playing ability remains a mystery.
Maybe you should ask Dave is he's a better player than me, I've not seem him in a competitive situation - as far as I know he's never placed in any regional, or national event. I could be wrong, the only place I've ever seen his name is on this forum.
Here's a few video's I've shared on azbilliards, CLICK HERE
I'm sure "Dr Dave" is a smart guy, although his pool playing ability remains a mystery.
Maybe you should ask Dave is he's a better player than me, I've not seem him in a competitive situation - as far as I know he's never placed in any regional, or national event. I could be wrong, the only place I've ever seen his name is on this forum.
Here's a few video's I've shared on azbilliards, CLICK HERE