Take it like a MAN.

lodini said:
Why does it seem that the first instinct for most players after losing a match is to go on and on about how they played so bad, how the equipment was faulty, how they slept wrong last night, how they might be getting a cold, how they were a little tired, how the planets werent aligned right, how the temperature was a bit chilly, how they didnt have their lucky chalk, etc.etc.etc...

And so RARELY does anyone just say "my opponent played a hell of a match."

Does anyone else agree that these excuses are just insulting and disrespectful to the person that just beat you? And wouldn't the loser look like a bigger man by just accepting the loss and moving on?

They all sound like legitimate excuses to me. I might use that lucky chalk one next time.
 
I'm not a good loser

I'm not a good loser and don't recommend being one. However putting on the facade of being a gracious loser for a few moments or minutes won't hurt anyone and will help your reputation and pool's image. Nothing I hate worse than whiners. Even when it is true it sounds bad.

Hu



Robert Raiford said:
This thread (and uwate's comment in particular) reminds me of a quote from the end of the 1955 Sports Illustrated interview that was posted here recently:

"People remember who wins. They don't care about the guy who finishes second. Nice guys don't win. I hate to lose and I hate a good loser." - Willie Mosconi


That interview was the year after his historic 526 ball run and he was at the height of his game. I've never seen footage of that period so I have no idea how he handled defeat publicly after a match.

Robert
 
mullyman said:
I'm polite when I lose a match. I shake hands, congratulate my opponent on a good game and wish them luck in their upcoming matches. I'm like the original poster, I think it's disrespectful to run off a laundrey list of excuses.
MULLY

Agree. Even if you are tired , or sick or whatever, keep to to yourself. Nobody else cares. If you feel that bad, go home.
 
s'portplayer said:
Both are pitiful, I have no idea what pitiable means.

Just be honest, nothing more nothing less, about how you got beat or lost or don't say anything at all.

Yes, "Man up and take it like a man" is a universal phrase.

Ladies, feel free to use the term, especially when ya walk all over FLEX.

I thought someone might challenge my use of the word "pitiable"...

Soooo...

In furtherance of appreciation for the English language, I though I'd provide one of the web definitions of the word, this coming from wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* pathetic: inspiring mixed contempt and pity; "their efforts were pathetic"; "pitiable lack of character"; "pitiful exhibition of cowardice"
* hapless: deserving or inciting pity; "a hapless victim"; "miserable victims of war"; "the shabby room struck her as extraordinarily pathetic"- Galsworthy; "piteous appeals for help"; "pitiable homeless children"; "a pitiful fate"; "Oh, you poor thing"; "his poor distorted limbs"; "a wretched life"


Thus, pitiable is probably a close synonym of pitiful.

As for taking losses well, I suppose yours truly may be too philosophical about it, as I always learn something in every match, and more often than not learn more from my losses than my wins. By the way, I've lost tournament matches to not a few girls, and every time it happened, bar none, they outplayed me.

We should all give credit where it's due...

Flex
 
My usual thing is to just shake hands and say good shooting. Nothing less, nothing more. Lately I've been very laid back when I lose and I feel it's helped my game more. I'm just relaxing and having fun and the results have been really good. In the local summer tournament series, I've won like 6 of 12 tournaments. The last one did get the best of me though, I found myself to be irritated and said to a friend of mine "I should roll over everyone here" and he said "well, almost everyone" to which I replied "no, everyone." Leave it to me to put my foot in my mouth, but oh well. I did tell him that I was just having a bad day and felt irritated for some reason. I wouldn't have realized that in the past and known how I was acting. Growing up a little I guess. It's about time, I'm 36. ha ha

Going back to the point of this thread, I feel like I take it like a man more than ever before and it's the only way to be.
 
way-yell

Flex said:
I thought someone might challenge my use of the word "pitiable"...


Flex

Way-yell I'll tell ya sumthin. Them folks atchar princeton talks peculyour anywho. Ain't sartane shure you should oughta sight thos'uns as ya x-perts!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Way-yell I'll tell ya sumthin. Them folks atchar princeton talks peculyour anywho. Ain't sartane shure you should oughta sight thos'uns as ya x-perts!

Hu

Heck, that was the first or second definition that came up when I Googled "define pitiable".

I have no idea if that word is in a slang dictionary, or colloquial use dictionary.

To the poster who thought it apposite to question the word itself, going after someone's word choice or questionable grammar is particularly vexing in an online forum; it's far better to let the questionable word pass in silence than to make a mistake or show one's ignorance when correcting another, or questioning usage.

Flex

P.S. I can't really play that well, but I have a heck of a time trying.
 
the real skinny

Flex,

Most words and spellings are acceptable if you dig deeply enough. I have seen sets of dictionary volumes that fill most of a large bookcase and many of the words in them have came and went in Webster's. Surprisingly to me, some of the words in my vocabulary aren't in the new Webster's. Too, when I went to school it was completely acceptable to create compound words when appropriate. I noticed somebody asking about "cue ball" the other day. When I went to school cue ball or cueball were both perfectly OK and cue-ball would have almost certainly flown too.

You are right that it is always risky to question someone else's usage of a living language.

Hu




Flex said:
Heck, that was the first or second definition that came up when I Googled "define pitiable".

I have no idea if that word is in a slang dictionary, or colloquial use dictionary.

To the poster who thought it apposite to question the word itself, going after someone's word choice or questionable grammar is particularly vexing in an online forum; it's far better to let the questionable word pass in silence than to make a mistake or show one's ignorance when correcting another, or questioning usage.

Flex

P.S. I can't really play that well, but I have a heck of a time trying.
 
I think that there are usually one or two crucial events in a game that turned it for the better or the worse. If you can clearly analyze that then your game will improve. Whining, crying, blaming, etc. doesnt do anything for your game. When someone does that I just feel they have a long way to go to develop their full potential. They are their worse enemy. So it doesnt bother me at all. I guess its human nature to blame others for bad happenings. We do that in life, in relationships, at work. If we only blame others for our deficiencies we'll never get to where we want to go. The truth is hard to swallow. But its good medicine.
 
There's another thing about verbalizing excuses. It lets the other player know you aren't happy with your performance. Most of the time, I can tell if the comments being made are truthful or not, as for instance, if a particular pocket is very tough. If someone complains about a certain pocket not taking balls, it indicates to me that, usually, they have not mastered the way to spin balls in, or that they may not know how far up the rail, depending on the angle of approach, the object ball with a particular kind of or no kind of english can reliably be potted, at different speeds.

This kind of information is useful to know about one's opponent to help determine their actual speed for future encounters.

Truth be told, this endeavor to play good pool is nothing easy.

Table conditions and playing conditions are equal for those in the game. Both will need to make adjustments for all sorts of things. Just changing the cue ball can really change the game. The way the cue ball throws an object ball, how the cue ball rolls, how it follows, how it draws, how it plows through clusters, all these elements the attentive observer is called upon to understand, and with that ongoing observation, tailor his game to those conditions, which can also change in the course of the game.

When someone whines or complains before, during or after the game, pay keen attention to it, for knowledge of your opponent's abilities and expectations is most useful.

Don't take that excuse making as an offense, unless it is clearly intended to be so; it could well be the ticket to your next victory.

Flex
 
lodini said:
Why does it seem that the first instinct for most players after losing a match is to go on and on about how they played so bad, how the equipment was faulty, how they slept wrong last night, how they might be getting a cold, how they were a little tired, how the planets werent aligned right, how the temperature was a bit chilly, how they didnt have their lucky chalk, etc.etc.etc...

And so RARELY does anyone just say "my opponent played a hell of a match."

Does anyone else agree that these excuses are just insulting and disrespectful to the person that just beat you? And wouldn't the loser look like a bigger man by just accepting the loss and moving on?

It's not hard for me... Everyone plays better than me.
 
lodini said:
I don't know one person who "doesn't care" if they lose... I've never even met someone like that.

You haven't! That's a shame, my favorite customers are the ones that don't move! ;)
 
lodini how the planets werent aligned right said:
Are u talking about me? how did u know that about me? that is true, I do not play for money when the planet mercury is in retrograde cycle.Next retrograde happens from september 24 to october 15.

I prefer to play 9 ball when the moon is in Leo and one pocket when the moon is in scorpio. :D :D :D :cool: :D :D :D
 
lodini said:
Why does it seem that the first instinct for most players after losing a match is to go on and on about how they played so bad, how the equipment was faulty, how they slept wrong last night, how they might be getting a cold, how they were a little tired, how the planets werent aligned right, how the temperature was a bit chilly, how they didnt have their lucky chalk, etc.etc.etc...

And so RARELY does anyone just say "my opponent played a hell of a match."

Does anyone else agree that these excuses are just insulting and disrespectful to the person that just beat you? And wouldn't the loser look like a bigger man by just accepting the loss and moving on?


I think the reason there's so much of that is: most of the players out there, think they should be able to make most of the shots, most of the time. But that's just not so. If they could, they'd be running racks and 100s. But, it's easier on the ego if you believe you're suppose to be able to make all those shots, with all kinds of different positional plays.

I play mostly 1pocket and, late in life, I've gained a small amount of skill at that particular game. I'm no world beater, but I have learned to play the game. In the last few months, I've had a chance to travel around a bit and have played in rooms in NJ, Atlanta, and Indianapolis. And there's been an amusing bit of consistency in what I hear from my opponents, playing just for small stakes. In a nutshell, it always boils to to some variation on: Man, I just didn't play my game today.

Forget about the fact that, especially at 1pocket, the moves you can put on an opponent can appear deceptively simple, yet be completely crippling, or that doing that to a player for any amount of time can completely break down their game.

Anywhos, to answer your question, it's just that most people don't appreciate how crushingly difficult the game is and when they play poorly, well, they can't admit to themselves they are, actually, playing their game.

Lou Figueroa
 
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If I won and it was a tough match I will acknowledge that the player gave me a tough match and they played well. If I am on the losing side and was outplayed I'll cooment on how great you played. If I feel like it was my own fault I will say "good match" and walk away.
In matches that I play poorly against someone who knows my speed I'll say something like "You shot great, sorry I wasn't able to offer you a tougher match". This is typically my response to "you gave me that one" sometimes I'll say "I'll get you next time"
But I'm just a

Banger
 
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