I was never notified nor do I know or care about ETC. Just can't go there logged in.
Taken lessons from any strong player?
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I totally agree about using the stick for ALL shots. It was taught by Hal Houle and Stan and is called Shishkabob. It's the same
visuals as CTE on the OB but it's all done with the stick and pivoting. IOW, it's the "manual" method of CTE and it was demonstrated in a video by Lil Chris below. However, it can be also done with a center to outside pivot. A pivot is different from a "shift". A pivot creates an angled cue. The cue (tip of the cue) becomes the primary focus point on A, B, C, and edge of OB with different parts of the TIP.
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How do you control the cue ball with a pivoted shot?
Seriously? Jesus Christ! Get on the table with a CB, some object balls, and do it like you would with any shot. Nothing stops you from cueing low or high on the pivot along with speed. Get back to me after YOUR results.
Nice. One question: doesn't 'A-B'C' always go right to left regardless of the cut direction? Very clear video here.
Actually, it goes left to right for diagram purposes and teaching. It would be C-B-A in the other direction. All in all, it doesn't
matter. The main thing the letters do is designate the 15-30-45 angles. They could be called Moe-Larry-Curly if it's easier to
remember.
Main thing is, get on the table and do what L'il Chris is doing as you watch it. Simple, simple, simple.
Oh yeah, my bad. Left to right is what i meant. I've got a old download, i think from your old page, where your come in from either side with a full half-ball air pivot. works pretty well for me.
If you want to learn how to do it manually by pivoting the cue as shown by L'l Chris opposed to the all visual Pro1 method and need some help on the offsets and amounts of pivots, PM me and we'll do it that way. No more of these word games and attempts to badmouth it and "stump/argue with the instructor" on the main forum or anywhere else. I'm sick of this crap after almost 20 years on AZB. Almost 30 years all told from other forums when it first got posted by Hal.
What happened to left and right? The true stick line would provide a neutral center ball which can be backhanded at will.
Do a video and post it. I can see what you're doing right or wrong as you explain what you're seeing and trying to do.
No video...no more going back and forth with the likes of you.
I guess you have no clue that the starting point with the tip of the cue and CB can be started out at CCB and aimed at COB, or I/4 OB, or OBE and pivoted to the "outside" a specific amount (tiny to larger) for outside English as well as the aiming point, do you?
Do you even have any idea what I'm talking about?
Maybe you need to play with more forethought on the angles and speed to begin with, so you don't have to use so much English regardless of what you do to aim. Ask yourself "where does the CB need to be for good angles on the next 3 balls that give me perfect position without the use of English. Do you have that ability and skill level? If so, you won't need to be asking me your _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.
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I took a 14.1 lesson from Mike Sigel once. It was bewildering - he claimed to not follow any patterns, or that didn't pay attention to patterns.
"What?! There's no pattern here."
But goddamn watching that man run a few racks of 14.1 was something to behold.
The key was to watch what he was doing and not listen to anything he was saying.
"What?! There's no pattern here."
But goddamn watching that man run a few racks of 14.1 was something to behold.
The key was to watch what he was doing and not listen to anything he was saying.
How would you have any concept of the quality of what I'm doing? WTF is "the likes of you" supposed to mean? Inquisitive non customer? You actually believe you're the superior here?
Just in case you care to answer the question, CG supplies the center ball stick line. The stick goes <there>. Any pivots are by way of applying backhand english and micro adjustments.
I can't consolidate that with preset pivots that have nothing to do with the <stick line>.
Clueless...totally clueless. Like someone telling Wilbur and Orville Wright that man can't possibly fly.
The "EL BLOCKO" feature is now on.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose. You still haven't acquired the insight to answer any of my questions. The impression is still ETC is akin to relying on astrophysics to do household carpentry.
Gentlemen, I implore you! Please stop with the CTE arguments. I don't want to ban anyone. I really don't.
SeniorTom
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I am close to a 500 Fargo player, and I have taken lessons from a +700Fargo Instructor. The lessons help, particularly with set up stance, stroke, and those sorts of things. I find the way to learn is by actually playing with better players than myself and asking questions as we play through an actual game. I might ask "what would you do in this situation", and so on. To me this is the best type of practice or lesson.
See if you can get them to run some racks with you in Scotch doubles. This helped me so much when I was first learning. Ran my first 8 ball rack. I thought to myself if this guy told me what to do on every shot I could run unlimited racks!
While that is delusional, it totally changed my perception of my abilities.
SeniorTom
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I'll have to try that next time, it will really school a person in cue ball positioning.
I had to revise my post. I got the cue stick angle about right but I've edited the distance of the cue ball from the rail from 6" to about 2" - 3". I've been trying to re-visualize the memory since the original post above. I am not just trying to sensationalize here. I can still clearly see Cole making the shot. It was about 2" - 3" off the rail in fact/in truth.
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