Taking lessons

LightsOutGuy

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There are a lot of posts around here saying to go see an instructor. Why would an instructor want to tell you what is really wrong with your game? If they told you what you really needed to know then you wouldn't need lessons anymore and there goes all of their money right out the door. There are hundreds of different tips they can give you without actually telling you what really needs to be worked on.
 
Word of mouth is a vital source of advertisement. If there's no one that wants to learn how to play better, there'd be no need for us instructors. Helping others excell at our sport is what we like to do. After all, you are the future of the cueing arts.

Zim
 
LightsOutGuy said:
There are a lot of posts around here saying to go see an instructor. Why would an instructor want to tell you what is really wrong with your game? If they told you what you really needed to know then you wouldn't need lessons anymore and there goes all of their money right out the door. There are hundreds of different tips they can give you without actually telling you what really needs to be worked on.

Thats one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read.
Why do teachers of any kind teach?DA
Why do Dr.s cure people,if they stay sick then they have to still go to the Dr.s
Da
Try not being so cynical,not everyone out there is trying to beat you out of your money.Maybe most but not all.
 
I think that an instructor would be more successful, monetarily and integrity wise, if he/she taught people to really improve their game. Their students would, through word of mouth, be their best advertisement to attract new students.

I used to teach martial arts and knew instructors that purposely taught people moves that slowed them down. This gave the instructor a permanant edge over their students. This didn't help them to be successful instructors, it only ensured they would be a better practitioner than those they taught. Fortunately, the instructors that didn't teach their students correctly were in the minority. As soon as the students learn where the best teachers are, they will go to them and leave the lousy instructors.
 
LightsOutGuy said:
Why would an instructor want to tell you what is really wrong with your game? There are hundreds of different tips they can give you without actually telling you what really needs to be worked on.

Are you kidding? If you think you can see an instructor and he can tell you what you are doing wrong and you wont need him anymore you have no clue what it takes to really get good at this game. Instructors seek out other instructors to improve their own games! There is a difference between knowing what to do and doing what you know to do. This is true in mechanics, not just performance.

There is too much to this game to think one lesson can cover all that is needed. And anyone that thinks it can shouldnt bother seeing the instructor in the first place.
 
LightsOutGuy said:
Why would an instructor want to tell you what is really wrong with your game? If they told you what you really needed to know then you wouldn't need lessons anymore and there goes all of their money right out the door.

I think you're right--teachers of all kinds should take note of this logic. From now on they should no longer teach people what they really want to know, otherwise they'll all be out of work.
 
LightsOutGuy said:
Why would an instructor want to tell you what is really wrong with your game?


They ALL want to tell you what's wrong with your game...even the amateur hack wannabe instructor. The question really is, are they competent enough to be giving you the right diagnosis/cure to begin with.
 
Zims Rack said:
Word of mouth is a vital source of advertisement. If there's no one that wants to learn how to play better, there'd be no need for us instructors. Helping others excell at our sport is what we like to do. After all, you are the future of the cueing arts.

Zim

Right on, Zim, but I'll take it one step further. If somebody comes to admire the game, or even just the progress, of one of your student's, good chance they'll want to know who taught them...another way in which you get new customers by doing a good job. You and other instructors who take such pride in thier work are a credit to the game.
 
WTF is wrong with you

LightsOutGuy said:
There are a lot of posts around here saying to go see an instructor.
Thats because a good instructor can help your game like nothing else can.

Why would an instructor want to tell you what is really wrong with your game?
Because they are instructors.

If they told you what you really needed to know then you wouldn't need lessons anymore and there goes all of their money right out the door.
Knowing what to do and being coached are two different things. Reading books and watching videos can show you what you need to know...Try asking a book or video to analyze your game.

There are hundreds of different tips they can give you without actually telling you what really needs to be worked on.
Sounds like you think there is a magic tip that will put you on the tour...There is not. Do the work get some coaching.
 
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whatch out who you're talking to guys.......he plays "lights out".....................or maybe he plays like the "lights are out" :D

VAP
 
LightsOutGuy said:
There are a lot of posts around here saying to go see an instructor. Why would an instructor want to tell you what is really wrong with your game? If they told you what you really needed to know then you wouldn't need lessons anymore and there goes all of their money right out the door. There are hundreds of different tips they can give you without actually telling you what really needs to be worked on.

The way I see it, a player can advance their game if they practice good mechanical skills right from the start. Sometimes an aspiring player new to the game can receive great benefit from a competent instructor because he/she hasn't developed any "bad habits" yet, i.e., stance, stroke, bridge formation.

Players who have already invested some time in their game may also gain a competitive advantage from lessons, whether it be from a certified instructor or a pro player. Bad habits can be hard to break, but sometimes one can be oblivious to their playing style which could be hindering their progress, and an objective party can target problem areas and help them excel.

Lessons or instructions won't do a bit of good, though, unless the player PRACTICES on a frequent basis. It's not so much how many lessons you take. They can only help if the information and knowledge which is gained can be put to good use, which is practice, practice, practice.

As the saying goes, "Practice makes perfect." In pool, the players who are in dead stroke don't get that way without spending MANY hours of tweaking and perfecting their skills set.

JAM
 
an instructor will help your game. you will develop good solid fundamentals and get tips on position play practice drills, stance, stroke and backswing. alot of players disregard the backswing but any instructor will tell you a good backswing is vital. best $$ i ever spent on pool.
 
This thread reminded me that I've been withholding THE secret for becoming the best player you can be.

I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to shoot ya. Still wanna know?

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
This thread reminded me that I've been withholding THE secret for becoming the best player you can be.

I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to shoot ya. Still wanna know?

Jeff Livingston

ok.......i'll bite this hook...............(sticks left leg out) try to hit the foot.

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
whatch out who you're talking to guys.......he plays "lights out".....................or maybe he plays like the "lights are out" :D

VAP


Lately it seems more like the latter. I'm very consistant, consistantly mediocre. You guys have a lot of good comments and you're absolutely right. You cannot learn everything in one lesson. I do know one instructor who has gotten great reviews from a lot of very good players in my area. He lives about an hour away, but I think it will be well worth it. Also most instructors seem to focus on one specific area such as mechanics, mental game or how to practice correctly. I've tried a couple of instructors and they didn't want to focus on what I wanted to focus on (fundamentals). I have been practicing 4-5 days a week at least 4 hours at a time for the last 3 months. I really haven't seen any improvement at all over the last 2 months or so. I'd like to video tape myself but I'd feel like an idiot bringing a camcorder into the pool hall.
 
chefjeff said:
This thread reminded me that I've been withholding THE secret for becoming the best player you can be.

I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to shoot ya. Still wanna know?

I wanna know.

Dave, who's betting that Jeff will miss, it's a reeeeeeeeeeeally looooooooooooong shot :D
 
bobroberts said:
Why do Dr.s cure people,if they stay sick then they have to still go to the Dr.s
Da

Funny thing is, now that my wifes eye doctor is suggesting very expensive wear-all-the-time contact lenses, he also decided that she is no longer the idea candidate for eye surgery she once was... makes you want to say "hmmmmmmmm".


Dave, who is mighty cynical about a lot of things, it's a acquired trait .... never been to no instructor neither (none around here!)
 
DaveK said:
Funny thing is, now that my wifes eye doctor is suggesting very expensive wear-all-the-time contact lenses, he also decided that she is no longer the idea candidate for eye surgery she once was... makes you want to say "hmmmmmmmm".


Dave, who is mighty cynical about a lot of things, it's a acquired trait .... never been to no instructor neither (none around here!)

My dad got a prescription for high blood pressure. He asked the doctor how long he'd have to take the meds. The doc said for life. He then gave my dad a non-refillable prescription. True story.

Have your wife IMMEDIATELY get a second opinion. Serious.

I asked my doctor for a second opinion...he said, OK, you're ugly, too! :p

Jeff Livingston
 
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