I enjoyed the few hours of One Pocket I was able to watch, think TAR did a good job on what I had time to see.
TAR and The DCC
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Could you clariy which issue you are asking about? I'm sure I have an answer, but there were several issues that came up with Jeanette throughout the week.
Jeanette on Camera - I interviewed Jeanette in the booth and she simply said that the reason why she didn't wish to be on the stream was for a couple of reasons. She didn't know where the WPBA stood on the issue of blatant gambling and she wasn't sure what positives could happen with the stream. Just a peak at the immature chat members confirmed her thoughts. It was a request from her not to be streamed, not a demand. She didn't try to strong-arm her fame (pardon the pun).
TAR put up signs that said that if they were to play in the TARPIT, expect to be streamed. She never said a word. She came in the room, understood the rules, didn't question them, and she played both on the bar box and the 9-ft main table. And the TAR audience was able to watch her. End of that story.
Fred
"I believe TAR has a viable opportunity but it can't be run by pool guys. It needs serious business people."
The problem with this statement is that most of the damage done to the pool world has been by "business people" trying to make a buck. The "pool guys" are a necessity to keep things in check. They know what pool fans and players want. I agree the business people are needed to raise the funds. But remember, the "pool people" are the ones who came up with the idea because of their love of the game.
The problem with this statement is that most of the damage done to the pool world has been by "business people" trying to make a buck. The "pool guys" are a necessity to keep things in check. They know what pool fans and players want. I agree the business people are needed to raise the funds. But remember, the "pool people" are the ones who came up with the idea because of their love of the game.
My only complaint was that they were obviously talking about a game/table that the camera was not on at the time and the game was not PPV, I think.
One other thing, some well-known players were badly, and I do mean badly, disrespected in the chat and nothing was done about it. At the same time somebody did say something about not posting chat in caps.
One other thing, some well-known players were badly, and I do mean badly, disrespected in the chat and nothing was done about it. At the same time somebody did say something about not posting chat in caps.
Dissing well known players seems to be a favorite of chatters online on streams and for that matter, here at AZ. I'm just guessing, but maybe that's why known players very rarely hang out in the #1 pool forum in the world. I can't run 10 racks of 9 ball, but if I could, I'd be hard pressed to take advice from guys that ran a rack once last week, or was it last month?
Kevin
Pat Flemming of Accu-Stats has run a successful business for 20 years but he had problems with his broadcast as well. Sometimes shit happens (to coin a phrase).
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I would like add why would anyone have any problem at all with the way JL handled the situation. Believe me she handled the situation in the best manner available to her. Kudos to JL.
mlalum
Banned
I paid $63 to watch accustats. I ended up paying $54 to watch TAR. I had problems watching accustats one day. I had problems watching TAR everday. Accustats I could listen to professional commentary. On TAR i got to listen to Sunny Day. Oh and joey, scoobie and Fred dissing Jeanette Lee for three nights straight. That would never happen on accustats. The biggest name gambling match was on accustats. Got to watch that. No problems.
Man you are soooooooooooooo right-the Ipt and Galveston come to mind and then on a much lesser level, there was the super business woman who was gonna get major sponsors for the WPBA. Great job all!
1. Are you referring to the free ustream or the PPV primarily?
2. Justin's hard and fast rule is "no caps". His reasoning, as he verbally stated numerous times and during every stream (that I know of) over the years, is that call caps are considered disrespectful yelling and that those doing so are perceived as if their words are more important then others. From a mod standpoint, when all caps are used all things going on in the background (which are overwhelming at times) get put on hold to ascertain if it is spam or not. When attention is drawn to that, another post, which could be of immediate importance, might get overlooked.
For me, the beauty of the Derby is the world of gambling pool players getting together to match up and see who comes out on top. I'm somewhat interested in the tourney....mostly to see who wins King of the table, BUT....the ACTION is where my heart is. Hearing whispers of.....Efren is gonna play Frost...or Arte is playing 1 pocket<<<<old school LEGEND stuff there!!!....or just my favorite Scooter bringing a much needed transfusion to the hohum "what tip is best"....."what is squirt?"...."where can I get a $25 custom cue?" talk we all see every day online.
TAR gives me a much needed lifeline to experience the Derby from my couch because I wasn't able to be there in person this time. I have purchased all but 2 TAR events....the ones I missed I was on vacation.....and MANY of them I never got to see, but donated to the cause anyway to help out.
There are a bunch of people involved with TAR and AZB that I have never seen face to face yet would call friends. I would never have had the oportunity to know these folks had it not been for the internet and events like DCC....The US Open...SBE etc.
I guess what I'm trying to say is my experience in the world of pool is better because of all the people at TAR....AZB.....Accu-stats.....On the rail.....Jimbos Army etc.
I know I will be at the Super Billiards Expo this year just like last year. I will be spending my $$$ and time with the folks listed above helping any way I can. Hope to see you all at the TAR booth at the SBE or at the 14.1 Challenge that is getting going.....
G.
TAR gives me a much needed lifeline to experience the Derby from my couch because I wasn't able to be there in person this time. I have purchased all but 2 TAR events....the ones I missed I was on vacation.....and MANY of them I never got to see, but donated to the cause anyway to help out.
There are a bunch of people involved with TAR and AZB that I have never seen face to face yet would call friends. I would never have had the oportunity to know these folks had it not been for the internet and events like DCC....The US Open...SBE etc.
I guess what I'm trying to say is my experience in the world of pool is better because of all the people at TAR....AZB.....Accu-stats.....On the rail.....Jimbos Army etc.
I know I will be at the Super Billiards Expo this year just like last year. I will be spending my $$$ and time with the folks listed above helping any way I can. Hope to see you all at the TAR booth at the SBE or at the 14.1 Challenge that is getting going.....
G.
You answered my question about JL-thanks
Now about the fight. Any video? Did they recover the tooth?/or was that overstated?
Thanks Fred.
3railkick
Now about the fight. Any video? Did they recover the tooth?/or was that overstated?
Thanks Fred.
3railkick
Islandeddie
Registered
The caps issue I recall was a result of the staff trying to learn which chat posters had PPV and thus had a bigger stake in which game should be streamed. Those not on PPV didn't know what the staff had told the PPV members.
What, are you Pats brother in law?
I had no issues with TAR until "the man" stepped in. TAR provided FREE access for 4 days...FREE....how many FREE days did Accu-stats allow? I liked your original post but, now you are starting to to sound like you are slamming TAR for no good reason.........whats your deal? you got good streaming from TAR AND A/S BUT.....you got NOTHING free from Pat.
I like Pat, and accu-stats....thats not an issue here....my issue is this poster getting more and more nasty with every post.
In business their is almost zero excuses. The difference here is really it's a labor of love. I like others got frustrated with the poor feed and endless refreshes. I believe that it's time to get together with the DCC promoters to squeeze the hotel in providing adequate bandwidth etc for next year.
They have little control over their content (action content). You roll into your local hall and sometimes you have 80 bangers and some days you have more action than you want. This I except. I must admit I do not care for some of the commentators. Here is the rule. This is not the weather report and you simply need to look and sound good to do it. You basically need to have a modicum of ability/history on the felt. I think that most of you would agree that the best play by play this week was delivered by Billy I. Now why would that be? Almost every pro they have ever dropped in the both likewise has done a good job. I always found Fred and others very good. Some of the others need to stay off the mike.
My only hope that in the future they try and arrange matches in advance of the date. I would go to those who have participated in TAR events in the past and evoke a little bit of influence. Hey not everyone wants to expose their business to the world.
My suggestion to TAR would be that they offer up some free content to anyone who purchase the PPV. This would be fair. It's my opinion and like a$$holes everyone has one. Either way I will support future TAR PPV events. If they don't provide value then like any business I will vote with my feet.
Thx guys for your best efforts. I have spent $40.00 in worse ways.
They have little control over their content (action content). You roll into your local hall and sometimes you have 80 bangers and some days you have more action than you want. This I except. I must admit I do not care for some of the commentators. Here is the rule. This is not the weather report and you simply need to look and sound good to do it. You basically need to have a modicum of ability/history on the felt. I think that most of you would agree that the best play by play this week was delivered by Billy I. Now why would that be? Almost every pro they have ever dropped in the both likewise has done a good job. I always found Fred and others very good. Some of the others need to stay off the mike.
My only hope that in the future they try and arrange matches in advance of the date. I would go to those who have participated in TAR events in the past and evoke a little bit of influence. Hey not everyone wants to expose their business to the world.
My suggestion to TAR would be that they offer up some free content to anyone who purchase the PPV. This would be fair. It's my opinion and like a$$holes everyone has one. Either way I will support future TAR PPV events. If they don't provide value then like any business I will vote with my feet.
Thx guys for your best efforts. I have spent $40.00 in worse ways.
I am fortunate to be able to work with Accu-Stats and the TAR crew. Let me say this, I enjoy doing both as time allows. I was pretty busy this DCC with the One Pocket Challenge and the Fatboy Challenge. But I did find time to work on the Archer-Efren Ten Ball match for Accu-Stats and do part of the Shuff-Breedlove match for TAR.
On Accu-Stats I worked alongside Mark Wilson who I think is a fabulous pool commentator and on TAR I sat next to Beav who was equally good in his analysis of the match. Beav has a great voice and gives a very clear presentation of what is happening.
With Accu-Stats it is abundantly clear that Pat Fleming is running the show. In the commentary booth if we get off track, Pat will remind us (on our head set) to get back to the match. Likewise if we make a mistake, Pat will tell us that also. On TAR the same can be said for Justin and Chad. They have a clear view of what they expect from the players and what is acceptable behavior. More than once they put a stop to something that was beginning to get out of hand. They look out for their players and when Justin (or Chad) talks the whole room listens.
I am quite aware that the shows are very different, one is strictly tournament play and the other is strictly "action" play. So I adjust my commentary accordingly. In a tournament match, player history, position in the brackets, number of losses and other criteria is important. In a gambling match, the size of the bet, who is betting on who and how they've matched up becomes more important.
All in all, I like doing both shows for the variety they offer a pool fan like me. As long as there has been pool, the debate has gone on about which players gamble the best and who has what it takes to win tournaments. Every era has only a handful of players who do both well. With TAR and Accu-Stats we get a chance to observe both types of play, and form our own opinion about who the best players are.
On Accu-Stats I worked alongside Mark Wilson who I think is a fabulous pool commentator and on TAR I sat next to Beav who was equally good in his analysis of the match. Beav has a great voice and gives a very clear presentation of what is happening.
With Accu-Stats it is abundantly clear that Pat Fleming is running the show. In the commentary booth if we get off track, Pat will remind us (on our head set) to get back to the match. Likewise if we make a mistake, Pat will tell us that also. On TAR the same can be said for Justin and Chad. They have a clear view of what they expect from the players and what is acceptable behavior. More than once they put a stop to something that was beginning to get out of hand. They look out for their players and when Justin (or Chad) talks the whole room listens.
I am quite aware that the shows are very different, one is strictly tournament play and the other is strictly "action" play. So I adjust my commentary accordingly. In a tournament match, player history, position in the brackets, number of losses and other criteria is important. In a gambling match, the size of the bet, who is betting on who and how they've matched up becomes more important.
All in all, I like doing both shows for the variety they offer a pool fan like me. As long as there has been pool, the debate has gone on about which players gamble the best and who has what it takes to win tournaments. Every era has only a handful of players who do both well. With TAR and Accu-Stats we get a chance to observe both types of play, and form our own opinion about who the best players are.
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Sir, have you been around enough action to know that it spawns out of thin air in a matter of minutes more often than not???? I watched the Dechaine/Hennessee match made in a matter of 10 minutes from the time they started talking until in actually came to fruition.
It is nearly impossible to schedule action matches since everyone (at least most)works around their tourney match....TAR did an excellent job providing a great atmosphere for players and sweaters alike. Agreed, it does get slow at times but many don't/won't jump and play for considerable amount of $$$$. I made a statement to a buddy that action is down compared to the Executive days. This opinion was based on being at DCC 2009 for just 12 hours or so. However, I stayed for 5 days this time and realized that there is action everywhere...it's just spread out in different rooms now. Players don't gather in one room now like they used to at Executive West.
Please consider these variables when complaining about a great vehicle in which to bring this to you. And do this too, think as if you did not see any of these matches and someone only told you about them. I bet you would've paid $50 or even more to have seen them live if you hadn't actually seen them.
Gary
You did a great job with both Jay. You are a huge asset to the pool community.
Thanks
Kevin
True. That is when using the TAR ustream for chat and Windows Media for the vid. Drove us mods absolutely nuts (see post #30 above). We worked through it though and a nit list was formed.
