I do not think the shaft method is CTE, when I spoke to someone about it they thought I was referring to CTE but when I looked into CTE I realized it was not the same, no pivoting like I have heard of either.
TAR Podcast #8 - Shane - Fransisco - Shane Talks About His Aiming Method
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I do not think the shaft method is CTE, when I spoke to someone about it they thought I was referring to CTE but when I looked into CTE I realized it was not the same, no pivoting like I have heard of either.
This is how i seen the pod cast and how you seen it.
You watched and listened to shane talk and show how he aims and when it was done you would say "that's pretty cool, i will try it, three aiming lines and two edges that's genius and its simple".
This is the benefit you will get out of trying to use shanes system, most of you have know idea why he uses it, it will give you 90% of the proper visual line and body aliment to move into the shot. The other 10% must be done by feel to find the contact point.
You guys dont understand cte/pro1 and its benefits. Cte/pro1 is way to advanced for most on this board to understand its benefits, but yet not too hard to learn at the same time.
Cte/pro1 will give you 98% - 99% of the proper visual line and body aliment to move into the shot. The other 1% - 2% must be done by feel to find the contact point. Now if you were to take shanes system and evolve it into a more advanced system, you will get cte/pro1. I really dont want to beat a dead horse here with guys and get into detail about the 2 systems, there is a big difference in knowledge between someone who uses cte/pro1 and a person who thinks he knows what it is and how it works.
i can shoot a cte system without pivoting also, i just thought i would add that and also shaft diameter doesn't not effect shanes system, you can use a 2x4 with his system.
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whats Lou Figawhatever doing in this thread and whats he babbling about now, looking for an ego boost? he looks like hes making himself look like a bigger tool then we all think he is already!
Lou Figueroa
no edges
no pivots
no aiming system
no class
no respect
no shame
Lou Figueroa
no edges
no pivots
no aiming system
no class
no respect
no shame
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LF,
Agreed.
P.S. - I think my list tops your list; but after being so critical of such lists I am embarrassed to post it
....but I know what you mean.So if i enter into an open tourney and pay a fee like everyone else and be dead money like Lou Figawhatever that will make me the superior person and i have balls? I will play efren anytime and challenge him to a death match too, what does this mean 
I have no interest in playing in the us open or derby city or a pro, does this mean im a lesser of a person and shouldnt post here or give my opinion on pool
I have no interest in playing in the us open or derby city or a pro, does this mean im a lesser of a person and shouldnt post here or give my opinion on pool
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Let's say I'm shooting a fairly thin cut to the left -- one for which Shane would aim the left side of the shaft at the right edge of the OB -- with the CB and OB not too far apart (so we can ignore any effects of perspective). And we're aligning the center of our shaft through the center of the CB to hit the shot with no english.
Cue #1 has a ferrule about 1/2" in wide. If I align the left edge of the shaft with the right edge of the OB, I'm pointing the center of the shaft about 1/4" to the right of the OB. Clearly, if I stroke the CB on this line, it will hit the OB and cut it to the left.
Cue #2 is your 2x4, oriented with the 3.5" dimension horizontal. If I align the left edge of the 2x4 with the right edge of the OB, I'm pointing the center of the 2x4 "shaft" about 1 3/4" to the right of the OB. If I stroke the CB with the 2x4 on this line, it will miss the OB by a wide margin.
Obviously, this is an absurd example. But you brought it up. As I said in post #80, shaft diameter could have an effect. But the player using Shane's approximation method would, in time, learn any adjustments needed for his shaft.
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hey atlarge its been a while ok lets start from the begining and figure out how shane shoots using his system and we will get to the shaft diameter part. I am 99% sure i know how shane is using his system,but i could be wrong, now lets hear how you think he is using it and then i will tell you how i think he is using it.I think you should know also since you know cte/pro1.
ok lets start from the begining and figure out how shane shoots using his system and we will get to the shaft diameter part. I am 99% sure i know how shane is using his system,but i could be wrong, now lets hear how you think he is using it and then i will tell you how i think he is using it.I think you should know also since you know cte/pro1.
Thanks...I don't know why I didn't see that the first time.
Shane's system is the same as mine. Damn. Great minds think alike....and so do Shane's and mine!:thumbup:
MY 5-SHOT AIMING SYSTEM...
I call the 5 shots I have like this (assuming no english):
(as per his shot in video, cutting to the left. Reverse for cutting to the right)
0.) "Center Center" That's the center of shaft matching up with the center of the OB. The OB goes straight. I don't classify that as a changE in aiming, thus the "0" label.
1. "Left Center" That's the left side of shaft matching the center of OB. (I can't find my notes right now, so I don't know the precise angles of cut here. I've done the protractor thingy and recorded the exact angles. Some pool geek here might know those off the top of his head?)
2. "Center 2" I call it this the number '2' spot on the OB, as this is used by one of the pool schools as one of their aiming points. It's in between any easy aiming points. The center of the cue matches up with the spot halfway between the center of the OB and its right edge. This is the hardest one to visualize, imho.
3. "Right Right" This is matching up the right side of the shaft with the right side of the OB.
4. "Center Right" Center of cue with right side of OB.
5. "Left Right" This is the shot Shane shoots in the video. The left side of the shaft lines up with the right side of the OB.
I started using this about two years ago and it really made shooting less stressful, not to mention I am potting balls more often. I don't know if the aiming system is what improves the pottting of balls or if it is just that I don't have to work as hard to aim now and that just makes potting eaiser. But whatever, it works for me. I, like Shane, do it mostly automatically now, without calling the exact shot to myself. Though, when I get off kilter, I go back to saying the words outloud until I get back into stroke.
I hope that makes sense.
Jeff Livingston
hey atlarge its been a while
All I know about how Shane uses it is what Shane told us in the video. And, in post #64 of this thread, I already stated what I heard him say: he aligns one of three things with the outside edge (the one farther from the target) of the object ball -- the left edge of the stick, the center of the stick, or the right edge of the stick -- with the choice depending on how thin the cut is.
Now, I will suggest that he actually does more than that:
- For very thin cuts, the entire stick (any normal sized ferrule) must be pointed outside the edge of the OB; so those shots fall outside Shane's basic prescription.
- For very thick cuts, the entire stick must be pointed inside the edge of the OB, so those shots fall outside his prescription.
- For shots within the range of cut angles for which his method is usable, further adjustments are necessary for some cuts, because three cut angles are not enough to pocket all such shots.
So, for cut shots within a certain range of angles, it sounds to me like he has three reference alignments, and his vast experience makes minor adjustments to those alignments -- to account for all the angles within that range -- pretty automatic. For very thin and very thick cuts, he is either doing something outside of his three-reference method or he is making more major adjustments to it.
To me, the fact that the edge of the OB is the aiming target for a good many of his shots in no way makes his method into Stan's CTE or any close variation or derivative of it.
And if you need me to say more about why shaft diameter could have an effect on Shane's method, I will, but I think if you re-read post #106 closely, and think about using Shane's method with an extremely thin shaft versus an extremely thick shaft, you should understand.
Shane never mentioned your 0, 1, and 2. What he did mention is your 3, 4, and 5.
I believe you are correct about 0, 1 & 2.
However, I do believe that Shane is able to cover all of the angles with his aiming system. I believe he does it similar to the way that the original Houlians used CTE. They got in the ball park with the original CTE and let their instincts take over.
The new and improved CTE/Pro1 is more refined than the old CTE and takes out a lot of the guess work out of aiming. Still, some people may not need either.
Shane and every pool player in the world makes adjustments when aiming no matter what system they use.
I think as people become exposed to more of these aiming systems, there will be a consensus of opinion that demonstrates that aiming systems like CTE/Pro1 can be an accelerant expedient to HAMB.
That being said, CTE/Pro1 or any other method for learning how to aim, isn't going to make you a pro player.
Joey, based on what we heard on the video, I believe Shane was just talking about "normal" cut shots. And with his 3 reference alignments plus minor adjustments he recognizes from his vast experience, he is able to pocket all shots within that range of cut angles.
In other words, the 3 reference alignments get him "in the ball park" (as you put it) for all shots within a certain range of cut angles. But none of those 3 reference alignments puts one in the ball park (maybe not even in the parking lot) for a straight or nearly straight shot or for an 80-degree cut shot. So for those, he's either making some major adjustment from his references, or he simply handles them differently.
LF,
Agreed.
P.S. - I think my list tops your list; but after being so critical of such lists I am embarrassed to post it
Good to know someone out there gets it. Thanks, WBM.
Lou Figueroa
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Exactly. Basically he says that after a million balls it kinda becomes automatic.
Lou Figueroa
wow! now those 3 post Lou Figawhatever were brilliant! Now I know why you pay money to play pro players. This guy writes up a big review and trashes cte/pro1 saying no pros use edges in aiming and bla bla bla! Now look at his posts, i would like to visit Figaworld one day, im guessing hes king Fig there and the pool god Fig and the skys green and it rains pool balls and he calls himself Albert Figeinstein too :thumbup:
Lou Figawhatever<<<<<<<<<<< Genius
no edges
no brains
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Lou Figawhatever<<<<<<<<<<< Genius
no edges
no brains
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I see no comparison in the 2, I use cte aiming on everything and what he
is talking about in no way describes a cte alignment
he only uses side of his ferrule to aim through the cb to edges of ob ball, your right there is no comparison between the two systems what so ever. you must know this since you use some form of cte. Why do you think Lou Figawhatever is being quiet in this thread and not making a big stink on the aiming like he did in all other cte threads, think about it, Shane put an end to Lou Figawhatever ignorance and arrogance in that tar interview, we wont hear from him unless he does a 180
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