Teacherman

[bobroberts]

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I wasn't going to post on this topic any more cause it falls on deaf ears but this shallow argument used by many that if it is so bad, why do people continue to go to the tournaments or host them? I will tell you why...out of pure ignorance. " Quote"

Watchez,thats ridiculous,Room owners are not going to keep holding events if they are not going to make money. Mike Janis who I dont know is promoting the tours to make a little and to escalate the sport.Not getting into a pissing contest with your boss.
Its nobodys business what he gets paid.If TM did not want the tour then all he had to do was shutup.
M.Janis asked a number of times for him to either pm him or call to discuss it,
instead TM went on a rant and then in posts that had absolutely nothing to do with M.Janis he kept on the tirade.Then pm's to everyone.
One thing you are right about is longevity does not mean success.
I would tend to think that TM is not doing that well anymore.His costs goes up every year but he cant keep raising the costs for play time.
His whole way of doing business from what I can decipher from his posts are outdated.He needs a new gameplan.
I would not be surprised if he gets out of the business within the next yearor so.
He does give the impression that he is burnt out.He wants to blame everyone but himself for not making enough money.
You know any decent businessman that I know does not talk bad about their customers or discuss their business openly.The truth be told is that its none of anyones business but the owners of the establishment.He should learn to keep his mouth shut and and if he did that we woukld not be having this discussion.

 

[Barbara]

However, both Janis and Teacherman were doing their job and protecting their best interests. It was a great exercise in seeing it from two different perspectives.

Mike Janis is TRYING to do a good job for one and all, but it hasn't been perfected yet, and certainly not for the RO in ALL instances. He should be praised for his hard work and efforts to expand pool tournaments throughout the country. It's a tough road to hoe in a tough industry.

Teacherman is a RO that knows the ins and outs of where each and every dollar is going when promoting a tournament and running a PROFITABLE room.
Some of the fees involved, compensation, and use of room time doesn't necessarily add up or make sense for ALL room owners at ALL times.

It was a business negotiation on here between the two of them. Negotiations and selling aren't always the most gentlemanly acts that transpire between individuals. It was brutally honest at times and the personality factor came into play among the other members. Those that had it out for Teach were even more vocal toward his viewpoints.

Love him or hate him...which really shouldn't matter regarding the information that was being dispensed, none of it was a lie. There could have actually been some lies by omission on the Viking Tour side. The fees issue STILL has to be a bone of contention for ALL Room owners, now and in the future.

Teacherman could be very curt and a pain in the arse from time to time, but he was honest. He never did any name calling or heavy duty cussing which is usually one of the first things that set off the forum police when they wish to add some new ingredients into controlling someone that they dislike or find offensive.

I agree completely. It was an interesting discussion going on with great perspective from both sides of the coin. I was hoping that Teacherman would pinpoint what he was looking for from a Tour in running a tournament.

Barbara

 

[kollegedave]

I would have been an even better exercise if Janis didn't delete the first thread.

kollegedave

However, both Janis and Teacherman were doing their job and protecting their best interests. It was a great exercise in seeing it from two different perspectives.

 

[kollegedave]

I have so many typos in my posts. I meant to write...It would have been an even better exercise if Janis didn't delete the first thread.

kollegedave[/QUOTE]

 

[FLICKit]

I agree completely. It was an interesting discussion going on with great perspective from both sides of the coin. I was hoping that Teacherman would pinpoint what he was looking for from a Tour in running a tournament.

Barbara

That's the point... Teacherman never makes any positive contributions to this forum. His sole focus is to bash others and hijack any and every thread before it even has a chance to develop into anything positive.

With the attitude that Teacherman has had regarding this forum, there would never be any positive contributions to the pool world at all.

Teacherman has only been banned a very short while, especially considering how much constant time and effort, TM spent bashing and hijacking other threads. Troll is a very good description of Teacherman and his activities.

This forum deserves some time without Teacherman's constant rants.

This will give the forum a chance to have conversations on topics that might actually result in positive conclusions and contributions. This will also give all you people who say you agree with Teacherman a chance to step up to the plate and voice your own opinions without being in his shadow. We've heard you many times be "yes men" to Teacherman, but rarely ever hear your voice. Every thread that Teacherman participated in, had the exact same end result. New voices will give threads a chance to come to new conclusions. New ideas will help the pool community grow and flourish. Give it a little time to develop.

Time away will give Teacherman a chance to recognize the error of his ways.

Give it a rest! Move on... Time to get off this topic.

Feel free to contribute to some other thread.

 

[Zims Rack]

This is ALL getting rediculous! This is a billiards related forum!!! If someone wants to come on here and sell his cues, sell his repair business, advertise for a Tour or Tournament, update people on the related topic, ask questions about cues, run a poll about a player or pool room, THAT IS COMPLETELY WELCOMED! If someone posts something that is/could be a fraud on ebay and help save people their time/money, THAT IS COMPLETELY WELCOMED! But, if a pool room owner (which is a very small number on this forum) stands up to a tour director about where the room/players money is going to at each tour stop and gets defensive and tries to get info out to the players, IT'S NOT RIGHT AND GETS BANNED!

IMO, Teacherman was making everything use their own head when they read a majority of his posts. He has a lot of good, useful info to help the future of our sport, primarily pool room survival, which is key to the survival of our sport.

MIKE H (azhousepro), I think we (the readers) deserve 1) to know what watchez and teacherman knows or 2) hear Mike Janis's answer to Teacherman's question(s).

Thanks,
Zim

 

[dogginda9]

MIKE H (azhousepro), I think we (the readers) deserve 1) to know what watchez and teacherman knows or 2) hear Mike Janis's answer to Teacherman's question(s).

Thanks,
Zim[/QUOTE]
I'm with you on this point Zim. Mike, any response?

 

[FLICKit]

This is ALL getting rediculous! This is a billiards related forum!!! If someone wants to come on here and sell his cues, sell his repair business, advertise for a Tour or Tournament, update people on the related topic, ask questions about cues, run a poll about a player or pool room, THAT IS COMPLETELY WELCOMED! If someone posts something that is/could be a fraud on ebay and help save people their time/money, THAT IS COMPLETELY WELCOMED! But, if a pool room owner (which is a very small number on this forum) stands up to a tour director about where the room/players money is going to at each tour stop and gets defensive and tries to get info out to the players, IT'S NOT RIGHT AND GETS BANNED!

IMO, Teacherman was making everything use their own head when they read a majority of his posts. He has a lot of good, useful info to help the future of our sport, primarily pool room survival, which is key to the survival of our sport.

MIKE H (azhousepro), I think we (the readers) deserve 1) to know what watchez and teacherman knows or 2) hear Mike Janis's answer to Teacherman's question(s).

Thanks,
Zim

Zim... You may be missing the point... It's not the content of what Teacherman was talking about that got him banned...

It's the bad attitude, disregard, and disrespect of others, that went over and beyond what is acceptable for civil discourse.

I think we all agree that everyone has a right to voice their opinions for or against any issue on this forum. That's what makes for healthy discussions.

Teacherman's antics and bad attitude were significantly and excessively just cause for dismissal.

 

[Zims Rack]

Zim... You may be missing the point... It's not the content of what Teacherman was talking about that got him banned...

It's the bad attitude, disregard, and disrespect of others, that went over and beyond what is acceptable for civil discourse.

I think we all agree that everyone has a right to voice their opinions for or against any issue on this forum. That's what makes for healthy discussions.

Teacherman's antics and bad attitude were significantly and excessively just cause for dismissal.

IMO (and apparently a few others), Teacherman was asking a question(s) to Mike Janis. Yes, he did go about this in a little unappropriate way, but did not call anyone names, use foul language, only was strongly voicing his question(s). However, many people replied with vulgar, rude, name calling posts and it's not the first time some have posted like this, yet they still are allowed to be an active member here.

Zim

 

[azhousepro]

I have stated multiple times that I didn't have any problem with Teacherman questioning Mike and how the tour worked. I have also said that I thought Teacher had some very valuable thing to contribute to the conversations here on the forums.
What I did have a problem with was Teacher going from questioning Mike in that thread to posting the same thing over and over again in that thread to questioning Mike in every thread to changing his signature text to question Mike. It got old in a hurry. Just because someone has good questions, doesn't mean that they should be obnoxious when they ask them.

I received more PMs from people on both sides of this problem than I did on Larry and Gremlin combined. The majority of the PMs were calling for a ban. But I held firm and did not ban him. Instead I asked him in public and private to back off a bit so that everyone could get along. His response to that was to send his mass PM to the site. That was the final straw and I am sure that Teacher knew it would be when he did it. He made the decision to do what he did and he suffered the consequences.

I think Mike answered Teacher's question about how the money was distributed at an event in the middle of their thread. Teacher chose to ignore that post and just keep acting like he had never been answered.

I know what it is that Mike did that has Teacher and Watchez so up in arms and quite a few others here on the site also know. I am sure it wouldn't take much digging to find out what it was. Mike might have stepped over the line out of spite, but the only one he is hurting by what he did is himself. It wasn't any earth shattering action that is going to make everyone believe he is the anti-christ.

Mike

This is ALL getting rediculous! This is a billiards related forum!!! If someone wants to come on here and sell his cues, sell his repair business, advertise for a Tour or Tournament, update people on the related topic, ask questions about cues, run a poll about a player or pool room, THAT IS COMPLETELY WELCOMED! If someone posts something that is/could be a fraud on ebay and help save people their time/money, THAT IS COMPLETELY WELCOMED! But, if a pool room owner (which is a very small number on this forum) stands up to a tour director about where the room/players money is going to at each tour stop and gets defensive and tries to get info out to the players, IT'S NOT RIGHT AND GETS BANNED!

IMO, Teacherman was making everything use their own head when they read a majority of his posts. He has a lot of good, useful info to help the future of our sport, primarily pool room survival, which is key to the survival of our sport.

MIKE H (azhousepro), I think we (the readers) deserve 1) to know what watchez and teacherman knows or 2) hear Mike Janis's answer to Teacherman's question(s).

Thanks,
Zim

 

[nfty9er]

I beg your pardon

IMO (and apparently a few others), Teacherman was asking a question(s) to Mike Janis. Yes, he did go about this in a little unappropriate way, but did not call anyone names, use foul language, only was strongly voicing his question(s). However, many people replied with vulgar, rude, name calling posts and it's not the first time some have posted like this, yet they still are allowed to be an active member here.

Zim

Not only did he call people names he would insult them any chance he got. His deal was if you read all his posts was if he had no rebuttle to your side of the argument he would belittle, namecall or insult. Period. I am tired of people defending him that say he did not call people names. I can attest.
Watchez his crony does the same thing.

 

[Tim-n-NM]

I learned a lot from TM, I will miss his inputs. Brash,aggressive,intolerant, yes but he held a lot of pool smarts in his head. Thats what I'll miss. I
just read the forum and normally don't post but I had to chime in on this one. I only hope to see BlackJack more often.

 

[FLICKit]

IMO (and apparently a few others), Teacherman was asking a question(s) to Mike Janis. Yes, he did go about this in a little unappropriate way, but did not call anyone names, use foul language, only was strongly voicing his question(s). However, many people replied with vulgar, rude, name calling posts and it's not the first time some have posted like this, yet they still are allowed to be an active member here.

Zim

Expand a bit when you say "Teacherman did go about this in a little unappropriate way".

If the vulgar, rude, name calling posts, are always conducted by one person, then that person should be subject to punishment.

If the vulgar, rude, name calling posts, are always directed AT one person for self inflicted reasons, then the instigator should be equally subject to punishment.


Looks like Teacherman's banning is already having a positive contribution. All of his "yes men" are already expressing their own opinions more. Keep it up... look forward to hearing more from you all.

 

[drivermaker]

Expand a bit when you say "Teacherman did go about this in a little unappropriate way".

If the vulgar, rude, name calling posts, are always conducted by one person, then that person should be subject to punishment.

If the vulgar, rude, name calling posts, are always directed AT one person for self inflicted reasons, then the instigator should be equally subject to punishment.


Looks like Teacherman's banning is already having a positive contribution. All of his "yes men" are already expressing their own opinions more. Keep it up... look forward to hearing more from you all.

Based on the number of posts YOU'VE made on the last two pages alone, the number of words typed, and the vehement conviction that you have towards Teacherman or anyone else that's had some positive things about what he was saying...is EXACTLY the same as what Teacherman was demonstrating with Mike Janis. Should you be banned...or should you just take a hike?
What do you think?

 

[drivermaker]

I know what it is that Mike did that has Teacher and Watchez so up in arms and quite a few others here on the site also know. I am sure it wouldn't take much digging to find out what it was. Mike might have stepped over the line out of spite, but the only one he is hurting by what he did is himself. It wasn't any earth shattering action that is going to make everyone believe he is the anti-christ.

Mike

Mike...I can't believe you just made that statement in such a nonchalant way.
What Janis did was the ESSENCE of Teacherman's bitch. Sure, he stepped out of line and hurt himself. However, on the flip side, it goes to show that Teacherman was correct and nothing is etched in stone and everyone CAN be treated differently. So by doing it and hurting himself...if he didn't do it and the RO had to ante up, I guess what you're saying is that it would be hurting THEM. (which is what he said also) It all depends how much the "ante" is.

He's not the anti-Christ...he's a businessman, just like a room owner and they're not the anti-Christ either if they don't want to host an event or feel that they're hurting the bottom line.

 

[Johnson]

Not only did he call people names he would insult them any chance he got. His deal was if you read all his posts was if he had no rebuttle to your side of the argument he would belittle, namecall or insult. Period. I am tired of people defending him that say he did not call people names.

This pretty much sums up my observations of teacherman, yes he had some new/original/insightful ideas, but if u didnt agree with them 100% then you would be belittled by him, especially when he wouldn't/couldn't think of a rebuttal, the only time he ever showed any respect for anyone elses opinion is the moment mike told him his ass was on the line, which shows u how little character the man really has, for anyone to come on here and say he was completely innocent and didn't deserve to get banned, u obviously didn't read all if any of his posts, the conspiracy theorists are saying that mike is connected with mike janis, i dunno if he is or isn't, and it's beside the point, it's mikes board and he can do what he wants with it, he did everyone a favor by banning him, and anyone that agrees with all/most of teachermans posts have the right to not post here anymore if they feel he was so wronged, from teachermans first posts i saw him for what he was, and i figured after a month he'd either go away or get banned, he lasted a lot longer than i figured he would.
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[MikeJanis]

What I did to TM ? It's nothing that wasn't posted. I did exactly what I said I would do. I asked a room that is his closest competitor if they would like to hold a Viking Tour event. I sent them our information and they responded with a yes. I'm sorry if this PO'd anyone but I still have to do business. The Viking Tour is very interested in having many different venues in the St. Louis market place and it's my job to try and get as many rooms involved as possible.

I tried my hardest to accomodate TM but nothing I did or said seemed to be good enough. We simply just disagreed on some points that had validity to each of us.

I hope the above answers any questions regarding this matter.

Re: TM being banned, SH!$ happens. I myself was banned from the BD site because I wouldn't follow the requests of the admin. I was warned several times but I just kept FCkng-Up and they banned me. It was a hard lesson learned but I now see that I deserved it.


Mj

 

[Blackjack]

First of all, what Mike Janis did was not what I would have expected from a business person that has plans on uniting the tour system. That is all I will say about it. Teacherman isn't hard to find, he's not scared to talk on the phone, and he'll talk to anyone who is willing to hear his side of the story. Mike Howerton had to make a decision. I understand Mike's decision, I don't have to agree with it. I sent Mike a private message and told him why, and a brief public statement which in retrospect was possibly a bit harsh towards Mike Howerton, but I still stand behind my decision to say what I said. Mike Howerton had his reasons, its his site, and he makes the rules. Teacherman also decided not to follow those rules and believe it or not, took his banishment from this site like a man. He knew it was coming, and when it happened he took it on the chin. With the facts known, it still doesn't change the fact that Mike Janis caused this situation. Hopefully when Mike is able to get back to his keyboard he will explain the reasons behind his actions, maybe he won't. That's up to him. As Mike said in his post, enough people know about this situation anyway, and its not going to change the course of the pool world in any way shape or form. However, it is important to know all of the facts from both sides prior to making a determination in an issue such as this. Many people would have been much more harsh than Teacherman if put in the same situation, myself included. Mike Howerton had the honor of having to make a decision that to many of us seems unjust to Teacherman, yet sensible for what Mike Howerton is doing with this forum. He can't make all of us happy all of the time. To me its a settled, dead issue.

 

[MikeJanis]

I'll also add, I talked to Watchez today. He sems like a decent enough guy on the phone. We briefly talked about what happened and even though we have different sides we got along just fine. He mentioned that he may come to one of our events in the area. If he comes I hope TM comes with him. My offer to put TM in one of my events is still on the table. I would like to show him what a good time he could have at one of our events. It would also give us the opportunity to sit down and agree to disagree.

Mj

 

[drivermaker]

What I did to TM ? It's nothing that wasn't posted. I did exactly what I said I would do. I asked a room that is his closest competitor if they would like to hold a Viking Tour event. I sent them our information and they responded with a yes. I'm sorry if this PO'd anyone but I still have to do business.
Mj

Did you follow the EXACT same protocol that you do with every other RO when trying to get an event, or did you short cut something just to "show him"? If you shortcutted it...mind sharing?