that didnt hit a rail
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That's a rail. You're taking the wording too literally.
That's a rail. You're taking the wording too literally.
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Sez who?
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Extremely unlucky missed shot -- but no foul
jcpoolgod:
Steve's got it right -- it is NOT a foul. It is considered a pocketed ball, because it fully entered the pocket itself. The fact that it bounced back onto the table surface opens a subsequent question as to whether that ball "scored" and therefore gets dropped back into the pocket by hand, or whether the player simply suffered a bad roll / faux pas by the equipment (i.e. ball stays on the table where it landed and it's the opponent's turn at the table), or what-have-you.
The WPA rules it as the latter, as shown in these two short videos:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aleh6fRm_A0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GWDe9Pt4P7w
(In this second one, Efren exactly duplicates your shot, jcpoolgod. The ball hits the back of the pocket and pops out onto the table surface, and to quote your original post, "no ball touches a rail." But in this WPA match, it is NOT a foul, and the opponent resumes play at the table with the balls as they lay.)
(Excuse Jim Wych's extremist excitability in the first video. These two are extremely unlucky and unlikely shots -- this table is screaming out for maintenance!)
Hope this is helpful,
-Sean
jcpoolgod:
Steve's got it right -- it is NOT a foul. It is considered a pocketed ball, because it fully entered the pocket itself. The fact that it bounced back onto the table surface opens a subsequent question as to whether that ball "scored" and therefore gets dropped back into the pocket by hand, or whether the player simply suffered a bad roll / faux pas by the equipment (i.e. ball stays on the table where it landed and it's the opponent's turn at the table), or what-have-you.
The WPA rules it as the latter, as shown in these two short videos:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aleh6fRm_A0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GWDe9Pt4P7w
(In this second one, Efren exactly duplicates your shot, jcpoolgod. The ball hits the back of the pocket and pops out onto the table surface, and to quote your original post, "no ball touches a rail." But in this WPA match, it is NOT a foul, and the opponent resumes play at the table with the balls as they lay.)
(Excuse Jim Wych's extremist excitability in the first video. These two are extremely unlucky and unlikely shots -- this table is screaming out for maintenance!)
Hope this is helpful,
-Sean
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According to the written rules, which are available on the WPA website, you have a misconception. Here is a brief quote from those rules:
The cushions, tops of the rails, pockets and pocket liners are parts of the rails.
Here's the main rules link:
http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_tournament