The APA is crap and they do not care about anything other than lining their pockets. I've said it a million times on here. I do not play leagues but know enough about them to know the APA is the worst pool league. I know many will argue but this is just another example. People go completely busted playing in that league and then go to Vegas and do well and get nothing. Most can't afford the trip there and when they sit down at the end of the year they are in a huge hole thanks to the APA. I know league operators in my area do not give a rats ass about pool and last I heard one guy raised the rates to play an extra $1 per night just to fatten his pocket more. It is a joke.
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The APA is crap and they do not care about anything other than lining their pockets. I've said it a million times on here. I do not play leagues but know enough about them to know the APA is the worst pool league. I know many will argue but this is just another example. People go completely busted playing in that league and then go to Vegas and do well and get nothing. Most can't afford the trip there and when they sit down at the end of the year they are in a huge hole thanks to the APA. I know league operators in my area do not give a rats ass about pool and last I heard one guy raised the rates to play an extra $1 per night just to fatten his pocket more. It is a joke.
1on1pooltournys...You don't play leagues, but you KNOW all about them, huh? Please...you're just another complainer, who doesn't know what they're talking about. I guess because in YOUR area (which you obviously know all about), the L.O. MAY be out to "bilk" the players, that all APA L.O.'s are the same. There are a couple of hundred thousand people who will disagree with you. The APA is what it is...a place to play pool, for FUN, not PROFIT. Yes, it is a BUSINESS, and a business must make a profit to stay afloat. You, like most of the people who b*tch about the APA, don't really know what the league is about, and could care less. The APA, in most areas of the country, does a fine job, at what it does (because of the attitude and hard work by the league operators)...providing an entry level opportunity to play pool, in a recreationally competitive environment. Are there 'bad apple' L.O.'s within the 200+ APA league operators...sure. Probably about the same percentage of 'bad apple' league operators out there running other leagues. Keep in mind, it is a VERY small percentage, or the APA would quite simply go out of business, and cease to exist. Sheesh...find something else to complain about, why dontcha? 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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That is sad about the rail falling off. I had a "friend" tell me over the weekend who had just got home from the APA, the tables were horrible, and the rails for the most part were dead.
This is kind of sad that this is the APA's big showcase event, they charge a lot of money to play in it, and the equipment is elcrapo.
I now know another reason to avoid leagues, especially the APA, it seem their focus is making money first, aproviding top notched equipment to play on was apparently not important to the APA.:angry:
1on1pooltournys...You don't play leagues, but you KNOW all about them, huh? Please...you're just another complainer, who doesn't know what they're talking about. I guess because in YOUR area (which you obviously know all about), the L.O. MAY be out to "bilk" the players, that all APA L.O.'s are the same. There are a couple of hundred thousand people who will disagree with you. The APA is what it is...a place to play pool, for FUN, not PROFIT. Yes, it is a BUSINESS, and a business must make a profit to stay afloat. You, like most of the people who b*tch about the APA, don't really know what the league is about, and could care less. The APA, in most areas of the country, does a fine job, at what it does (because of the attitude and hard work by the league operators)...providing an entry level opportunity to play pool, in a recreationally competitive environment. Are there 'bad apple' L.O.'s within the 200+ APA league operators...sure. Probably about the same percentage of 'bad apple' league operators out there running other leagues. Keep in mind, it is a VERY small percentage, or the APA would quite simply go out of business, and cease to exist. Sheesh...find something else to complain about, why dontcha?
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
So Scott would you be happy paying big money to play on elcrapo tables that, "it was not possible to make simple bank on on the table, because the rail were dead". PER my who was there, and said, "it was not possible to make simple bank on on the table, because the rail were dead".
Once again, Bruce, you just don't know what you're talking about. I play on every kind of table imaginable, when I'm on tour...from pieces of crap barboxes, to pristine 9' professional quality tables. I NEVER know what kind of table awaits me, when I do a show at a college or military base...and guess what? It doesn't matter. You fade whatever conditions there are, and just DO YOUR JOB! Naturally you assume that because your "friend" said that about one table, that all 250+ tables were that way. NOT!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Hey, folks. Just a quick reply to a pretty good topic. I am a 5 in both TAP and APA in Central Jersey and have played in some of the crappiest conditions known to man (you name it outside of a speakeasy...:thumbup
. Whether it was a league, tournament, gambling, etc. we all had to adjust regardless. Whenever we went to a better table with better cloth, it increased our odds of doing better tremendously. When I say "Central Jersey," I am talking about Newark, Elizabeth, Irvington, Hillside, etc. There are tons of leagues that operate on Brunswick 9 footers all over the place. I am in league for one reason: to have fun. Plain and simple.
The way I look @ it is this: Pool is a voluntary sport. It's a passion that most of us in the forum share. I love the game and have played on a ton of tables all across the country. If you were @ the Nationals and had a prob with the table, just switch tables. I'm sure the other team within reason wouldn't have a prob with it...
Secondly, the APA, TAP, BCA, VNEA etc. are all businesses. My only ***** with the APA is the "push" rule. Other than that, most of the establishments take very good care of the players if not necessarily the equipment. If your location/home table is the issue, address it with the owner(s) or switch locations.
Finally, if the player is having difficulties adjusting to the playing surface then it's the player's problem. I've played on the tables in Valley Forge (PA), Aberdeen (NJ), and Newark (DE) and have had no problems whatsoever. I'm sure if you lagged the ball about 10 times you'd be able to figure out the speed and pitch of the table as well as gain an advantage for lagging for the break.
If you STILL have a prob with the league, then quit. :speechless: You'll be $7-8 richer (not counting quarters, beer or food) and you'll be less inclined to break your pool cue. :thumbup:
Once again, Bruce, you just don't know what you're talking about. I play on every kind of table imaginable, when I'm on tour...from pieces of crap barboxes, to pristine 9' professional quality tables. I NEVER know what kind of table awaits me, when I do a show at a college or military base...and guess what? It doesn't matter. You fade whatever conditions there are, and just DO YOUR JOB! Naturally you assume that because your "friend" said that about one table, that all 250+ tables were that way. NOT!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I assume when you are as you say,"I do a show at a college or military base...and guess what?" Think you also are getting paid well for your show so you can deal with the junk!
BTW my friend team won $1,500.00, and they played on more than one table, and I think it is sad that the APA could not provide better equipment for their BIG EVEBT!
just expressing my opinion, and if you read what other who were their said the equipment was shall we say not first class!
I dont know Bruce, but I know 1on1, and your assumption that he doesnt know what he is talking about because he doesnt play in the league is dead wrong. He has been around the league with plenty of us long enough to know whats going on in our area.
Your point is well taken that other areas may be better, but that doesnt help our town any
You seem surprised to see people in an anti apa thread bashing the apa?
Bruce...Yes, I am paid well...VERY well...and for that my audience gets a professionally attired, well-mannered, professional poolplayer entertainer. I don't complain about the conditions. Do I enjoy it more, when I have a nice table to play on? Of course, but I have played under MUCH worse conditions than the worst table at the APA Nationals last week. My point is, LEARN TO ADJUST. Both players have the same conditions (good or bad). I agree that Valley/Dynamo barboxes are nowhere near as good as Diamond Smart Tables.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Holly crap is that funny...
I wish I would have sceen that, it would have mae me feel alot better I thought I got it bad when I kicked at a ball and because the rail nose was low the ball flew up and off the table..The guy I was playing even felt bad for me.
I wish I would have sceen that, it would have mae me feel alot better I thought I got it bad when I kicked at a ball and because the rail nose was low the ball flew up and off the table..The guy I was playing even felt bad for me.
Hes so **** good....
he could do a show on a table with no rails and the people paying would pay double because he missed every shot and hed come on here bragging about it. Hes the great and powerfull Scott Lee we should all chip in and get him a cape..
he could do a show on a table with no rails and the people paying would pay double because he missed every shot and hed come on here bragging about it. Hes the great and powerfull Scott Lee we should all chip in and get him a cape..
:rotflmao1::boring: A cape? Sure...make it 24-carat gold, OK? But really, Mowem down, the "great and powerful" guy was from Oz...I'm from Michigan!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Once again, Bruce, you just don't know what you're talking about. I play on every kind of table imaginable, when I'm on tour...from pieces of crap barboxes, to pristine 9' professional quality tables. I NEVER know what kind of table awaits me, when I do a show at a college or military base...and guess what? It doesn't matter. You fade whatever conditions there are, and just DO YOUR JOB! Naturally you assume that because your "friend" said that about one table, that all 250+ tables were that way. NOT!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Do you think they will ever make the masters league play on 9'??
So they can determine a true masters champion??
Table Conditions
I also played in the Masters on a team out of Dallas...
The funny thing is that the whole time I was there I didn't even notice the condition of the tables, good or bad...
In fact, the only thing I noticed about the tables at all was that the pockets were huge and you could aim a ball at a rail if the pocket was obstructed and still make it... So what...??
Believe me when I say that the table conditions didn't seem to affect our
2nd round opponents California Rail as they ran out from everywhere on us and proceeded to win the whole event...
And they didn't seem to bother me against a team from South Carolina when I put a 3-pack on their anchor to cinch the match victory...
And it certainly didn't seem to affect Dennis Spears from New Jersey who put a 4-pack on me to clinch that match...
The tables are what they are... I never even noticed them... I was too busy getting run out on...
The only table in the whole town I noticed was table #7 at Las Vegas Cue Club which has a RIDICULOUSLY tight lower right hand pocket that I am still having nightmares about...
I also played in the Masters on a team out of Dallas...
The funny thing is that the whole time I was there I didn't even notice the condition of the tables, good or bad...
In fact, the only thing I noticed about the tables at all was that the pockets were huge and you could aim a ball at a rail if the pocket was obstructed and still make it... So what...??
Believe me when I say that the table conditions didn't seem to affect our
2nd round opponents California Rail as they ran out from everywhere on us and proceeded to win the whole event...
And they didn't seem to bother me against a team from South Carolina when I put a 3-pack on their anchor to cinch the match victory...
And it certainly didn't seem to affect Dennis Spears from New Jersey who put a 4-pack on me to clinch that match...
The tables are what they are... I never even noticed them... I was too busy getting run out on...
The only table in the whole town I noticed was table #7 at Las Vegas Cue Club which has a RIDICULOUSLY tight lower right hand pocket that I am still having nightmares about...
tigerseye...Many APA Masters leagues are played on 9' tables...some of the regular APA leagues play exclusively on 9' tables. The APA Amateur Nationals are all played on 9' tables. The APA, by definition, though, is a BAR league, where MOST tables are BAR tables. Do you not consider the winner of the Sands tournaments in Reno, champions...simply because they play the tournament on 7' tables? Now...what was it you were asking?
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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1on1pooltournys...You don't play leagues, but you KNOW all about them, huh? Please...you're just another complainer, who doesn't know what they're talking about. I guess because in YOUR area (which you obviously know all about), the L.O. MAY be out to "bilk" the players, that all APA L.O.'s are the same. There are a couple of hundred thousand people who will disagree with you. The APA is what it is...a place to play pool, for FUN, not PROFIT. Yes, it is a BUSINESS, and a business must make a profit to stay afloat. You, like most of the people who b*tch about the APA, don't really know what the league is about, and could care less. The APA, in most areas of the country, does a fine job, at what it does (because of the attitude and hard work by the league operators)...providing an entry level opportunity to play pool, in a recreationally competitive environment. Are there 'bad apple' L.O.'s within the 200+ APA league operators...sure. Probably about the same percentage of 'bad apple' league operators out there running other leagues. Keep in mind, it is a VERY small percentage, or the APA would quite simply go out of business, and cease to exist. Sheesh...find something else to complain about, why dontcha?
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Sure, the APA is not for profit for the players..LOL. It is so all of the operators can get rich. Also, I do happen to know a lot about leagues and if you put all of the benefits down on a piece of paper the APA would have the least. It is the worst possible thing ever invented in pool, in my opinion and also stated by professional players and one of which is in the Hall of Fame. They do not put a quarter of the money they make to anything good in pool except their pockets. They should have a rule that all L.O. should have to play on a team themselves. It is the same crap as always, people getting paid from pool that can't make two balls in a row and who could care less about the sport. Why doesn't the APA sponsor a professional tournament? They are smart enough to endorse a player who is recognizable to most, but that is it. It forces the members into losing on purpose in order to "keep a low rating". It then breaks up teams because somebody who was a 4 got raised to a 6 in the league. This is the reason that the majority of the APA members can not make 2 balls in a row. Their is no incentive for them to improve. I do happen to know maybe a small handful of players, literally maybe 10, that play in the APA from all over the country and they only do it to go to Vegas and snap off all the money. More power to them. I also no several instances of people not getting their "plays" in and having write ins or somehow manipulating the system to make it look like they played more.
By the way, I'm allowed to voice my opinion on the subject and really do not need someone as yourself to tell me that I do not know what I'm talking about and to go and complain about something else. But, you may have got beaten by a 3 last night or something and are not in the best of spirits.
Sure, the APA is not for profit for the players..LOL. It is so all of the operators can get rich. .
The APA doesn't even pretend to be in business for the profit of the players. If you want to make a profit playing pool, you need to play pro. Why would anyone even think that playing in a self proclaimed amateur league would be a good way to make money?
As for the league operators making money, well, that is their job, and they should be profitable. I don't know what kind of job you have, but I'm betting whatever it is, if you didn't make any money, you probably wouldn't do it.
We work to make money. We play to have fun. Where is it written that poolplayers should be paid for playing? Especially, amateur poolplayers!
APA is a business designed to make money. So is Wal-Mart. Do you expect Wal-Mart to pay you to shop there?
If you don't like what they are selling, don't buy it. But don't slam them for trying to make a living. Considering some of the whining I hear, I suspect many LO's earn EVERY PENNY they make running their leagues!
Steve
Woody...I'm not surprised at all...just tired of hearing it! Bashing the APA is probably in the top 3 posted threads on the forum. There's at least one thread about how "bad" the APA is every day. My point is that not even CLOSE to all APA L.O.'s are bad people, who are out to get rich, by getting over on the players...which is the singular point that 1on1pooltournys keeps beating into the ground. I don't know the L.O. in Terre Haute, but I stand on what I said. Overall, the APA serves a purpose (for poolplayers), and does it well. If they didn't, it wouldn't be 3-4 times the size of the nearest competitor...and still growing.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Bashing the APA is probably in the top 3 posted threads on the forum. There's at least one thread about how "bad" the APA is every day. My point is that not even CLOSE to all APA L.O.'s are bad people, who are out to get rich, by getting over on the players...which is the singular point that 1on1pooltournys keeps beating into the ground. I don't know the L.O. in Terre Haute, but I stand on what I said. Overall, the APA serves a purpose (for poolplayers), and does it well. If they didn't, it wouldn't be 3-4 times the size of the nearest competitor...and still growing.Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I dont know Bruce, but I know 1on1, and your assumption that he doesnt know what he is talking about because he doesnt play in the league is dead wrong. He has been around the league with plenty of us long enough to know whats going on in our area.
Your point is well taken that other areas may be better, but that doesnt help our town any
You seem surprised to see people in an anti apa thread bashing the apa?
