The AZBILLIARDS star

justnum

Billiards Improvement Research Projects Associate
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Its a long boring post about how the billiard industry is outdated and using outdated methods. But AZ is struggling to innovate and update some of the current business approaches to retaining customers but has not figured out how to gain new customers.

AZbilliards is showing signs of becoming the billiard industries best effort in a Billiards Community, Marketplace, Education Center, Producer and Streamer. It has a strong following and people dedicated full time to it.

The internet is an emerging ecosystem. The latest trends aside from online retail, hype monsters (contract advertising) is the "lifestyle guru." This person sells you everything but the "personal" connection they make is what helps people buy it.

Products can help you achieve a goal. Try a wide variety of products and see what works for you, but commit to it.

Ronnie O Sullivan had an official series, but it wasn't like how current internet stars produce content. It was focused on people. Venom has an amazing following but his focus is on trick shots.

AZBilliards needs someone that can sell the billiards lifestyle and be credible enough in a tournament to place against top pros. Not a billiard player, a poker star Dan Bilzerian, that guy is an internet sensation. Someone like that is huge because he is basically Howard Stern pre-satellite radio.

If I were to pick an existing pro, they might think selling beer slogans would be what worked. But someone thinking about what hasn't been tried is worth a shot.

I think a female pro would be best, because the billiard room is a community place. And moms are welcomed and should feel comfortable taking their family to a pool room. The smoky pool bar concept is dead in my town. But kid friendly options are still not worth the investment for room owners.

The real dilemma is what is the better investment pushing the mom sales tactic because its a market that will pay out. Or pushing the overly confident male ego, that scores and has all the fun toys that attract all the interesting people. Most existing billiard players, consumers are pretty savvy. I doubt the gimmicky pretty face will do well, but for the young generations, it always works. That is why the music industry has proven, young stars are needed every year to win over the newer generations. Few people have the same idol as their parents. People still talk about Mosconi, but in other industry most names die out. Only because new generations don't learn history.

The billiard industry competes against others but what I like about it, is its not fake. People don't act a certain way to sell a message they hear from their parents for free. Sure the hustler and hustle image comes to mind, but its not like they sell you a dream. Its more a sale of reality. Most people you play against will be better than you, at least in the beginning.

Arcades and drive in theaters died out. Billiards could die out to axe throwing or esports, but that is an industry investment problem. We all know quality products exist. But will they survive like VHS tapes or DVDs? They are around but not a primary product.
 
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I will edit the post later. There are some unorganized ideas in the post. But I am still drafting my target audience and editing the main points I want to hit. Right now the previous post is sloppy and an idea I am shaping.

You can pick at it however you want. But its a draft not a finished piece.

I think I should've just went with AZBILLIARDS, next step AZBILLIARDS spokesperson. The insider behind all the billiards controversy. Someone to deliver gossip and brag about the latest gear and someone to review tournaments. Reviewing the top finisher list is amazing but its an exercise in statistics for all the analytic freaks. The real juice is the business side, who is promoting, which event scheduled the same time as another event. ABR was going strong, but life happens.

The torch was passed but someone that can dedicate time to it is hard to find.
 
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". . . the billiard lifestyle . . ."

LOL

The billiards industry never really described it.

It has been hinted at in movies, commercials and some promotional spots.

If I said college life, office life, retirement home all provide clear and distinct habits and routines associated with it.

The billiard lifestyle is competing against other sports. Pros players have the best talents, but leagues and tournaments represent a major portion of billiard lifestyle. I imagine it similar to people training for bodybuilding shows, marathons or esports.

Its a weekend destination that lasts a season. Its different than team sports. And its different than physically active sports. It is different but what can it help you with. Its a product, what problems does it solve? Its not a marketing giant, so don't mention pro sports. It does help billiard retailers but the league scene is very different. And the tournament scene is a whole other entity.

What do you think billiards big selling point is? If its going to compete with Olympic sports, each of those sports are very clear about what excellence is and what is needed to achieve it.

I don't imagine billiards lifestyle as Hollywood ready. I do imagine people have opinions on how it will survive the next market correction. Billiards equipment serves both high and low end markets.
The only point I bring up with this thread is people understand the old version of it. Yes if you played the movie "The Hustler" there are a bunch of older people sitting in a pool room. TCOM is newer and it shows women in the pool room as will as minorities. Those were the big hits. Is your pool room or league anything like those movies?

A pool room can be intimidating. The fictional version people have in their minds can be wildly different than what it actually is.

Billiards has changed a lot, from format, player ratings and equipment. But no one has tried to explain what it is or what it is trying to achieve. I heard about the campaign for olympic status, but it didn't sell the sport at today's level of sports marketing standards.

The success of billiards does not solely rely on Olympic status. Gaining olympic status will help a lot of those that committed to the industry. Those won't be the people carrying the torch into the future.

College esports has the foothold into the future. How they are similar to billiards is the type of player. Play at home, then journey to an competition event once in a while. Billiards is not at the same scale, but they might lose due to popularity with the youth.
 
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Not the easiest post to follow, but where you hit the nail on the head is in recognizing that unless young people take up pool, the game is in trouble.

The question, then, is who can do the best job of turning kids on to pool? The possible answers would seem to be a) Mark Wilson and those who are trying the kind of things that Mark is attempting at Lindenwood, b) mothers, fathers, and friends and c) people already involved in pool as business proprietors.

As I see it, what Mark Wilson is doing is important, and should help pool in America over the long-term, but primarily at the more elite levels of play. Mothers and fathers can be an important source of momentum, too, but my feeling is that they are constrained by the actualities of the pool room experience. Parents will only take their children to a poolroom if they think it's a good place for their kids to be. Because Mark Wilson and parents of would-be players have little control of the realities of the typical poolroom, they cannot, in my view, be at the core of the solution.

If young people are going to get into pool, the pool room culture in America must change. Yes, there are more than a few rooms where the standards are high enough, but when I go to pool rooms I, far too often, find a high tolerance by ownership for both loudness and profanity. I also find that ownership often has a high tolerance for those who sit around and don't play or spend money, some of them beggars, some of them hustlers, some of them even criminals. Unfortunately, this, too often, sets the tone for a poolroom. Even went it doesn't set the tone, though, the probability that a young person who chooses to play there will have a negative experience is greatly increased.

Selling our youth on pool is less about promotional gimmicks and tricks and more about massaging the poolroom experience so that parents will feel comfortable allowing their kids to go poolrooms and that the kids who go there will recommend it to their friends. Once you get the youngsters through the door, the leagues are the key, and the infrastructure is, to a large extent, already in place. Once the youth are involved, the instructors will also have a key role to play in keeping them interested.

To sum, as I see it, pool's future must be molded by the poolroom proprietors, because at the core of pool's failure to grow is the fact that the poolrooms of America don't consistently offer a positive pool experience to those who dare to walk through the door.
 
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I agree with you, SJM. Your points have merit. I just want to present a different argument. I tried to clean up the writing for this one.

To someone with no knowledge of pool or interest in it, what will make them get interested in it. Once someone tries it, they have a chance to like it. Pool does not show why it is worth trying.

Even more challenging is why is it worth staying in a league for.

Room owners, leagues and tournament can try all year to promote. They are competing for my free time and my money against other places.

Why is a night at the pool hall better than a night at the bar, club or studio?

If I get sick I go to the doctor. If I want to relax I watch tv. If I need money I work my job. How do you make the billiard hall fit in?


For people part of the billiard community its reasonable they want it to survive and live on. But for people looking on the outside its another place to hangout. The billiards community will survive. How do you want people to see it and remember it?

I know you said you want people to have a positive experience. They can do that at the movies or even getting fast food. What differentiates pool from that?


For the brave room owners I respect and admire all that you put into it. I can't imagine how challenging it has been to endure all the years. But unlike the nonstops commercials I am exposed to on the internet, tv, cable, phone and phone apps, I am never reminded of why the poolroom is important or relevant. It is a magical word of mouth place like a concert, that people just show up at. But can never be visited again.


Not the easiest post to follow, but where you hit the nail on the head is in recognizing that unless young people take up pool, the game is in trouble.

To sum, as I see it, pool's future must be molded by the poolroom proprietors, because at the core of pool's failure to grow is the fact that the poolrooms of America don't consistently offer a positive pool experience to those who dare to walk through the door.
 
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Jeanette Lee, Ewa Mataya and Mike Massey have been the best representatives for pool for a very long time. Something to learn from all of them about how to present the game as fun and entertaining to the masses.
 
Jeanette Lee, Ewa Mataya and Mike Massey have been the best representatives for pool for a very long time. Something to learn from all of them about how to present the game as fun and entertaining to the masses.

You solved the problem, Jay great work.

The game is fun and entertaining, that competes with about every photo app, most internet websites and even some outdoor activities.

You really know how to problem solve. Unfortunately Venom and his trickshots have the best youtube presence with the highest view for any billiard video. Venom represents pool more than those three players combined based on youtube views..

So if you are talking who is representing pool the best on the internet its Venom. And I don't even think he plays non-trick shot tournaments. But he is wildly popular, search his vids, his video in China has 26 million views.

He has something special. But Jay knows whats up so any discussion from me at this point is just-dumb.

Keep at it Jay you really found gold.
 
The billiards industry never really described it.

It has been hinted at in movies, commercials and some promotional spots.

If I said college life, office life, retirement home all provide clear and distinct habits and routines associated with it.

The billiard lifestyle is competing against other sports. Pros players have the best talents, but leagues and tournaments represent a major portion of billiard lifestyle. I imagine it similar to people training for bodybuilding shows, marathons or esports.

Its a weekend destination that lasts a season. Its different than team sports. And its different than physically active sports. It is different but what can it help you with. Its a product, what problems does it solve? Its not a marketing giant, so don't mention pro sports. It does help billiard retailers but the league scene is very different. And the tournament scene is a whole other entity.

What do you think billiards big selling point is? If its going to compete with Olympic sports, each of those sports are very clear about what excellence is and what is needed to achieve it.

I don't imagine billiards lifestyle as Hollywood ready. I do imagine people have opinions on how it will survive the next market correction. Billiards equipment serves both high and low end markets.
The only point I bring up with this thread is people understand the old version of it. Yes if you played the movie "The Hustler" there are a bunch of older people sitting in a pool room. TCOM is newer and it shows women in the pool room as will as minorities. Those were the big hits. Is your pool room or league anything like those movies?

A pool room can be intimidating. The fictional version people have in their minds can be wildly different than what it actually is.

Billiards has changed a lot, from format, player ratings and equipment. But no one has tried to explain what it is or what it is trying to achieve. I heard about the campaign for olympic status, but it didn't sell the sport at today's level of sports marketing standards.

The success of billiards does not solely rely on Olympic status. Gaining olympic status will help a lot of those that committed to the industry. Those won't be the people carrying the torch into the future.

College esports has the foothold into the future. How they are similar to billiards is the type of player. Play at home, then journey to an competition event once in a while. Billiards is not at the same scale, but they might lose due to popularity with the youth.


its tough but this should help you out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N8D25mziO0
 
In the past 4 years while Venom was creating this massive internet buzz off billiard videos. No one else in the industry thought to use that momentum in any way.

Its because of old style thinking of pushing what worked in the past with new money that is causing the billiard image to sink off.

I don't blame the investors with money tapping the experienced folks. But the world is very different today.

The billiard industry wants to recreate an era based off a movie boom. Sure let them spend all the money they want, I am sure the people collecting the pay checks will keep singing a story of "hanging in there" until it "catches on." Catches on right until the paychecks dry up.

Reading about a public olympic push. It feels like throwing good money in with the bad money. They couldn't get it to work last time, but this time with everyone's support and donations it could.

These are all fresh ideas from the same old leadership. Its a wolf in sheep's clothing. All these crazy big ideas never seem to play out like people are crazy enough to believe in.

It feels like getting help from an auto mechanic that is trying to cheat me every chance they get. Always something new gets broken, and the original problem never gets solved.
 
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its tough but this should help you out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N8D25mziO0

I am a muggle, I can't see it and I need it explained like I am 10 years old, meaning no fancy words.

I watched the video, she said her dad played and its her brother's gift. They know how the use the equipment and no one has tried to throw Strickland shot. Haven't seen a Venom inspired shot. It looks mostly like they have no idea or what parts of the game to enjoy.

It is a comedy skit with the pool table as a prop for timing.
 
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I used to work with a guy that we affectionately called "Assface". The reason for the nickname, was that when he was a young man, he had a motorcycle wreck and required lots of plastic surgery to his face. The bulk of the skin was taken from where? Yep, the buttocks! So he was forever Assface to us after he told that story.

One day, Assface told me that he received a letter from an attorney containing his mothers will, and asked if I thought that meant his mom was dead. I said, "I have no clue, it doesnt sound good to me. I would call the lawyer who sent it and ask him."

So a couple days go by, and he tells me that she is alive and well, still living in the mental hospital.

I am the inquisitive type, so I ask, "Hey Assface, why is your mother in the mental hospital?"

He went on to tell me a long, sad tale of her belief that she had demons who lived in her head. She had struggled with it the bulk of her life, until the day she was committed. Seems she took a cordless drill and a 1/4" drill bit, and drilled several holes through her skull.

To let the demons out of course.

Even though it apparently let them out, the folks who are charge of these things thought it best to commit her anyway. :shrug:

I think justnum got a new Makita from ol' St Nick this year. :thumbup:

Merry New Year!

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