why don't they make wrapless?
the best Southwest styled cues...
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I think the Indian and arrow term is overused, and it is not entirely true.
Quality Equipment does make a difference in performance. You can not take 'any ole cue' and perform your best all the time. A simple thing like not having the right balance for you can throw shots off, or a wrong tip.
I am not saying the more expensive equipment the better you will play, but equipment does make some difference in how you play. How much, is determined by the player.
We all can perform with any cue, but we perform better with a quality cue that fits our style.
I think the Indian and arrow term is overused, and it is not entirely true.
Quality Equipment does make a difference in performance. You can not take 'any ole cue' and perform your best all the time. A simple thing like not having the right balance for you can throw shots off, or a wrong tip.
I am not saying the more expensive equipment the better you will play, but equipment does make some difference in how you play. How much, is determined by the player.
We all can perform with any cue, but we perform better with a quality cue that fits our style.
Jerry McWorter also makes great South west style cues, I have 2 that I play with. I had 2 South West that I sold and went back to my Mcworter. You need to find someone who does not core their forearms like South West. Jerry actually was the one who gave the induction speech for Jerry going into the cue makers hall of fame. He said that he basically copied South West when he started building cues. Last time I talked to him a basic 6 pointer with veneers ran around $2,000. http://www.mcwortercues.com
Steve
Steve
I second the Mike Stacey vote great feel for the money
mrinsatiable said:
For whatever reason, when I think of South West styled cues, the first name that pops in my head is Coker. I've never played with or held a Coker cue in my hands, so I have no idea as to its playability or craftsmanship.
I was once like you, hunting for a wrapless South West cue after seeing the one adorning the front cover of the first edition "Blue Book of Pool Cues." I did some research and found out who owned that cue, but he was quite attached to that cue, so he politely declined my request to sell it.
There was no way I was going to wait eight to ten years for one to be made by South West either, and at the time Skip Weston was starting to gain a following, so I asked him to build me a wrapless style South West.
He accepted, and the turnaround time was about ten months to a year, but he crafted a wonderfully built cue.
From my years on eBay and perusing various cue dealer sites, I think I've only come across four or so wrapless South Wests. IndyQ has one right now, but it doesn't have any ivory inlays.
halhoule said:
All due respect, Hal, but what in the world does this have to do with this guy wanting to buy a cue that is styled like a SouthWest? I could understand if he was saying he could become a better player using a certain style cue but he didn't mention anything like that. It's my assumption that he likes the looks of a SouthWest but can't afford or find the real thing. What does your post do other than belittle him?
MULLY
I bought my Dan Dishaw because of it's similarity to a Southwest. Dan played with Southwests before he started making cues. My cue hits enough like a Southwest that I've kept it longer than any other cue I've owned. Very simple design, six points with three veneers, and A, B, C, and D rings, brass with maple checks. At the time I bought mine, in 1995, Dan's cues were considered "a poor man's Southwest". I know that Dan uses a quick release joint now, I think more than the regular Southwest style pin like my cue has. Also, his cues ain't cheap, now.
Voodoo Daddy
One Pocket 101
Shouldnt they be called...
I dont know if you or anyone else for that matter knows the origin of the so-called "Southwest style" came from but I think we should give the cuemaker his due. That style really should be called "Kersenbrock style", I mean David was/is the OG Mack Daddy of that style cue and did teach Jerry Franklin in the ways of cuemaking...just a thought.
Voo~~~smiling but serious:grin:
mrinsatiable said:
I dont know if you or anyone else for that matter knows the origin of the so-called "Southwest style" came from but I think we should give the cuemaker his due. That style really should be called "Kersenbrock style", I mean David was/is the OG Mack Daddy of that style cue and did teach Jerry Franklin in the ways of cuemaking...just a thought.
Voo~~~smiling but serious:grin:
If your looking for something in the Soutwest style my vote goes to Leon Sly ... He is currently working on a Wrapless Exotic line that is going to be out of this world ... It is going to have the Southwest style ring work in it ...I keep in touch with Leon daily we talk often he has shown me pics of the wood and it is some of the prettiest I have seen he also keeps me pretty updates on the cues... He has it all cut and cored and most ring work done and is getting ready to put these cues together ... These cues will at least step him up a notch or two on the cue makers ladder. There are pictures of some of the wood he is using in the cue gallery ... This is his first line in this line of cues and he has priced it fairly cheap ... There will only be 11 in this batch each cue comes with two shafts.
But it is not only about the look and style of this line of cue you get much more then looks and style in Leon's cues. I shoot with one of his cues it is only a plain Coco Sneaky with a Coco joint and it is the best cue I have ever played with. It shoots better then alot of high end cues and I use to shoot with a 1300.00 Schon . I have since got rid of all my Schons and the Sly is all I use ... Leon Sly is vastly under rated and you seldom see one of his cues on here for resale unless he puts it up himself. When he puts a new cue on here which is not often they sell quick as several people try to grab them. Heck I thought I had two or three of his cues coming my way only to find out that he sold them to someone else ... His machinery is top notch and he goes to extra lengths to make sure his customers are very happy with his cues. He tries to build the perfect cue each and every time and in my eyes he does build the perfect cue.
His work is going for a cheap price for the quality and workmanship you are getting but he is not giving them away either ... But he is also growing in popularity as his name is getting out more and more and these cues will not sell this cheap for much longer. This will probably be the cheapest you can get one of these cues as the next batch is sure to rise in price. He cant keep anything in stock as he can't make them fast enough and refuses to compromise quality to make a few more sales. Sly is making cues just as good as any one and better then alot of them. His name is just not out there as much as some others are yet. But I would be willing to bet that if you buy a Sly at todays prices you will be able to get your money back or more on the resale market now or a few years down the road... And if you keep it you will have one of the best players in your life...
The Sly bandwagon is growing with each cue sold and you can get on it now while the price is reasonable or get on it later when he is a known and self made cue maker and say dang I wish I would of got a Sly sooner. He will still be making the same high quality cue but the price will be alot higher and hopefully he won't have a ten year waiting list...
If you don't beleive me just ask :
Bamacues
Kamdaswani
plshrk22
Iowa player
MBTaylor
Just to name a few ...
Play with a Sly or Go Hungry !!!
But it is not only about the look and style of this line of cue you get much more then looks and style in Leon's cues. I shoot with one of his cues it is only a plain Coco Sneaky with a Coco joint and it is the best cue I have ever played with. It shoots better then alot of high end cues and I use to shoot with a 1300.00 Schon . I have since got rid of all my Schons and the Sly is all I use ... Leon Sly is vastly under rated and you seldom see one of his cues on here for resale unless he puts it up himself. When he puts a new cue on here which is not often they sell quick as several people try to grab them. Heck I thought I had two or three of his cues coming my way only to find out that he sold them to someone else ... His machinery is top notch and he goes to extra lengths to make sure his customers are very happy with his cues. He tries to build the perfect cue each and every time and in my eyes he does build the perfect cue.
His work is going for a cheap price for the quality and workmanship you are getting but he is not giving them away either ... But he is also growing in popularity as his name is getting out more and more and these cues will not sell this cheap for much longer. This will probably be the cheapest you can get one of these cues as the next batch is sure to rise in price. He cant keep anything in stock as he can't make them fast enough and refuses to compromise quality to make a few more sales. Sly is making cues just as good as any one and better then alot of them. His name is just not out there as much as some others are yet. But I would be willing to bet that if you buy a Sly at todays prices you will be able to get your money back or more on the resale market now or a few years down the road... And if you keep it you will have one of the best players in your life...
The Sly bandwagon is growing with each cue sold and you can get on it now while the price is reasonable or get on it later when he is a known and self made cue maker and say dang I wish I would of got a Sly sooner. He will still be making the same high quality cue but the price will be alot higher and hopefully he won't have a ten year waiting list...
If you don't beleive me just ask :
Bamacues
Kamdaswani
plshrk22
Iowa player
MBTaylor
Just to name a few ...
Play with a Sly or Go Hungry !!!
JoeyInCali said:
Likewise. I play with a RH and I love it.
I specially love it when someone says this cue hits like SW even though it has a Meucci taper .axejunkie said:Runde Schon, DP, old Meucci to name a few
I always get a kick out of these threads where eventually everything hits like a SW and it turns into a contest of promoting your favorite CM.
Are ya'll serious??? Any cuemaker than can cut points should be able to make a decent SW looking cue. James White builds the best looking IMHO (check out our new cues) I have had Skip Weston build some great looking cues with his recut style points. If you can cut points, you can make a SW style cue, with enough originals on the market, find one you like and buy it. Do you think someone will build it for $ 1200? No one with any resale value, that's for sure.
JV
JV
Pushout said:
I think Dan's standard pin is a UniLoc Radial, not the quick release. I have seen older cues with the UniLoc Quick Release joint, but its not very common on his newer ones, unless custom ordered. The first batch cues, under name DanBuilt, I think were southwest style pins, and not cored, so the hit was very similar to Southwest.
