The best stroke/cue action you have seen

Fatboy

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Great choice! I was thinking of Kim too. His stroke was straight and pure every time, without a flaw! He was rock solid at the table too, zero movement anywhere except his arm and his eyeballs. The only other player I ever saw go through the ball like that was Louie Roberts.
Yes Louie Robert’s too. I only saw him play a few times.

Kim was so solid and had the complete package.

Johnny of course had a amazing stroke but his wrist was twisted in a little, like Earl. They both make it work and arguably play better than Kim ever did.

CJ looked amazing too. Thinking more about it.

But from a “looking good” perspective Kim was something else. Wow.

Busty-what to say? He makes it work, it’s not pretty but it’s not ugly. It’s cool looking.
 

Cue Alchemist

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Yes Louie Robert’s too. I only saw him play a few times.

Kim was so solid and had the complete package.

Johnny of course had a amazing stroke but his wrist was twisted in a little, like Earl. They both make it work and arguably play better than Kim ever did.

CJ looked amazing too. Thinking more about it.

But from a “looking good” perspective Kim was something else. Wow.

Busty-what to say? He makes it work, it’s not pretty but it’s not ugly. It’s cool looking.
Fat boy, what do you think of busty stroke now? Compared to his heyday in the late 90s though to mid 2000s?
He definitely changed something, looks like a really big pause now, before he shoots
I remember back in 99 when I first saw him. The Most creative player.
 

Fatboy

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Fat boy, what do you think of busty stroke now? Compared to his heyday in the late 90s though to mid 2000s?
He definitely changed something, looks like a really big pause now, before he shoots
I remember back in 99 when I first saw him. The Most creative player.
I love it!

He cranks up the cue goes so far back it looks like it’s going to fall off the table. And that pause then perfection when he strikes the cue ball.

Amazing
 

arnaldo

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If I had to pick one, overall it would be Kim Davenport as the whole package.
Absolutely on-target. Kim was devoid of any shortcomings in setup, stance and stroke mechanics. An ideal model for emerging players or any of us with seemingly irremediable flaws we'd like to work on.

Coming up, Kim was a devoted student of Hal Mix who coached and "de-bugged" many notable pros of the period. Hal tuned-up Kim periodically to a point where Hal eventually said: "His fundamentals are living perfection to see at the table now."

Watch as much of the below marvel of courage ("Best comeback ever televised") as you have time for, and you'll see what Hal and Eric (Fatboy) meant about Kim's perfection (and you'll witness his unbelievable never-give-up heart):


Arnaldo ~ I guarantee you'll find yourself beaming and increasingly cheering out loud for Kim as the comeback accelerates.
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Fatboy

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I was lucky enough to have met Kim in 85 and watched him for 6 years before I moved to Vegas full time. I seen him in $5 tourneys, action(big and small) Reno many many times. I watched him improve from 85 as he just got stronger and stronger. His Szam is in the vault up stairs. Great memories for me.

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Fatboy

Also even if I didn’t know him I’d still have the same opinion of him. It’s just a coincidence. Sigel has a great set up as well and plays a hair stronger I’d say. But I like Kim’s “look” more. Which is what this thread is about. And as Jay correctly mentioned Louie Robert’s as well.

As I noted earlier I look better than I play-horrible problem lol I copied Kim best I could.
 

Cue Alchemist

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I was lucky enough to have met Kim in 85 and watched him for 6 years before I moved to Vegas full time. I seen him in $5 tourneys, action(big and small) Reno many many times. I watched him improve from 85 as he just got stronger and stronger. His Szam is in the vault up stairs. Great memories for me.

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Fatboy

Also even if I didn’t know him I’d still have the same opinion of him. It’s just a coincidence. Sigel has a great set up as well and plays a hair stronger I’d say. But I like Kim’s “look” more. Which is what this thread is about. And as Jay correctly mentioned Louie Robert’s as well.

As I noted earlier I look better than I play-horrible problem lol I copied Kim best I could.
Great read there. Must have great to meet him. Him show you exactly what he does!!
I remember that szam he used.
 

tomatoshooter

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This video that I took of allison when she visited my area. The stroke at 23 secs mark.
That was nice. It's amazing that out of all the matches available on YouTube, you can rarely see the full stroke. Usually their right arm is offscreen or you get a head on view that is much less informative.

For my money, Steve Mizerak and Rafael Martinez have strokes that look smoother and straighter than most anybody else.
 

tomatoshooter

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Sigel had a beautiful stroke. Look at any of the old vids/dvds, and his setup and stroke were gorgeous. Head, cue and elbow in perfect alignment. Slow backstroke and smooth acceleration. Cueball control and shotmaking second to none.
Earl is superhuman. Efren is supernatural. But Sigel seems to do things that a human can do. He has just refined his execution to perfection.
 

tomatoshooter

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I was lucky enough to have met Kim in 85 and watched him for 6 years before I moved to Vegas full time. I seen him in $5 tourneys, action(big and small) Reno many many times. I watched him improve from 85 as he just got stronger and stronger. His Szam is in the vault up stairs. Great memories for me.

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Fatboy

Also even if I didn’t know him I’d still have the same opinion of him. It’s just a coincidence. Sigel has a great set up as well and plays a hair stronger I’d say. But I like Kim’s “look” more. Which is what this thread is about. And as Jay correctly mentioned Louie Robert’s as well.

As I noted earlier I look better than I play-horrible problem lol I copied Kim best I could.
Kim's the only pool player I can think of that looks like an athlete. He looks like he should be throwing a football.
 

JoeyInCali

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Kim's the only pool player I can think of that looks like an athlete. He looks like he should be throwing a football.
You have offended Danny Basavich. 😂
Rodney Morris and Hohman can probably lift the table.
Saw Kim play with a Szambotti here before his eye injury.
Great stroke.
 

tomatoshooter

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Rafael has the balls of a burglar too. He'll shoot any shot at any time. Fearless shooter.
Maybe if he thought discretion can be the better part of valor he's be a world champion. I love watching him play and shoot and make shots everyone else would duck. There's nobody better with a cue. Sometimes I think the safety is the higher percentage play, though.
You have offended Danny Basavich. 😂
Rodney Morris and Hohman can probably lift the table.
Saw Kim play with a Szambotti here before his eye injury.
Great stroke.
Good point, Niels Feijen is in good shape, too.

Basavich was a great player. Kid Delicious, maybe the best nickname ever. I read he was playing a guy called "Kid Vicious" and was winning and a guy in the crowd shouted "Kid Vicious is getting whipped by Kid Delicious!" That's your nickname for life after that. His parents changed their names to Mom and Dad Delicious.
 

arnaldo

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For instructional reasons, about 10 years ago I posted the below photo of Mike Sigel's stance and setup to a Facebook pool playing discussion about those elements as exemplified by various top players. I included a flipped version of the left-hander source photo so that right-handed shooters could better resonate with it and hope to introduce much of what Sigel displays into their own approach to the game.
Such enviably solid stance and setup factors, and also optimal (for him) head and eyes positioning.

Sigels stance + setup as left- and right-hander.JPG


Arnaldo
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arnaldo

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Karen Corr amazed me in the 90’s when I was at a tournament Mt.Pleasant Mi. Soaring Eagle casino. She stroked through the ball like it wasn’t even there. She won that tournament & was player of the year that year & I believe the next also. If I’d not been there in person I don’t believe I’d have been that impressed
This is a little-known secret attitude to mentally cultivate in beginning players you're coaching.

Anyone know if Karen still plays?

Arnaldo
 

skiergd011013

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This is a little-known secret attitude to mentally cultivate in beginning players you're coaching.

Anyone know if Karen still plays?

Arnaldo
last I heard she had back surgery, and is also working as a full time nurse. I think allison mentioned this in a recent live stream.
 

skiergd011013

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other than my earlier post about allison, the best players stroke I have ever seen was a man named Pat Wren, who is/was one of the best players in the daytona beach/ormond beach area. His stroke was beautiful to watch. That guy could make the cueball dance. Anybody know him?
 
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