The Charlie/Corey thread

If a lawsuit ever came to reality, Marissa wouldn't be the only one to get deposed, Charlie gets deposed too by her lawyer, along with others that may have been previously "in contact" with Charlie to provide a foundation for his behavior. The judge would have to rule if prior bad acts would be admissible It wouldn't be a pile on Marissa courtroom.
 
corvette1340 said:
lmao at all of the people standing up for Charlie in this thread. If that scumbag didn't want people to make funny cartoons, give him bad rep, and talk about him then he probably shouldn't have broken into a room, took all his clothes off, and hopped into bed with a girl that didn't know he was there.

Why in the hell would Marissa make this story up? Why would OMGWTF make her story up?

I am a big believer in "innocent until proven guilty", but I'm still gonna make fun of him, like it or not.

Just to be clear, as their is always comprehension problems on AZ, I am not siding with Charlie. Just stating what my actions would be if I was him and if the story was not true.

Did Marissa explain how Charlie broke into the room - twice? Again, I missed the original story. Did the front desk give him an extra key card?

And as another poster pointed out, why would Marissa simply want and apology and unbanned from his future events?
 
HouseMan said:
If a lawsuit ever came to reality, Marissa wouldn't be the only one to get deposed, Charlie gets deposed too by her lawyer, along with others that may have been previously "in contact" with Charlie to provide a foundation for his behavior. The judge would have to rule if prior bad acts would be admissible It wouldn't be a pile on Marissa courtroom.

Don't "prior bad acts" have to be proven by you being found guilty previously in court? As far as I know Charlie hasn't been indicted or even been indicted of any sexual crimes, much less convicted. I have been reading a little about it but am not sure which is why I am asking.
 
The exact same thing happened to another woman. I will be contacting her about it when I am able to get her phone number.

He climbed naked into her bed. She woke up screaming and kicked him out of the room.

This establishes a pattern, and I'm willing to bet there are even more instances out there.

She told her friends about it, but to my knowledge she didn't report it. Why? Because he demeans us by his actions and robs us of our dignity. We're embarrassed and ashamed that it happened. Seeing him at every tournament knowing he did that, it's like being violated all over again.

Having come forward about it, I feel like a weight has been lifted.
 
Fart sniffer said:
Don't "prior bad acts" have to be proven by you being found guilty previously in court? As far as I know Charlie hasn't been indicted or even been indicted of any sexual crimes, much less convicted. I have been reading a little about it but am not sure which is why I am asking.

The judge or arbitrator would have to rule on the veracity of the witness. For example, if you were on trial for murder and I witnessed a previous murder that I say you committed and I was called as a witness, the judge would have to rule whether I could testify to that, but it wouldn't be based on if you were indicted or not it would be if it would be too prejudicial to your case.
 
Ah, okay thanks. Watching Law and Order skews the understanding of the laws and how they are carried out sometimes so I was seeking clarification on how it goes in the real world. Thank you.
 
And how does Charlie get into the room?

And Marissa, here is a piece of advice. If a guy breaks into your hotel room and climbs into your bed naked uninvited and you don't want to go to the authorities about it - the next night, after you went to the front desk to get your key card changed to a new electronic pattern, you should also put the latch over on the hotel door so even if he is able to pick the lock, create a master key on his computer, or talk the front desk into giving him a key card to your room - he still won't be able to get past the latch.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
The exact same thing happened to another woman. I will be contacting her about it when I am able to get her phone number.

He climbed naked into her bed. She woke up screaming and kicked him out of the room.

This establishes a pattern, and I'm willing to bet there are even more instances out there.

She told her friends about it, but to my knowledge she didn't report it. Why? Because he demeans us by his actions and robs us of our dignity. We're embarrassed and ashamed that it happened. Seeing him at every tournament knowing he did that, it's like being violated all over again.

Having come forward about it, I feel like a weight has been lifted.
I am not saying I don't believe you. However, if Charlie has done these things, he has rights. Rights to a fair trial, the right to talk to counsel, etc. You have come out and accused a person BY NAME of committing a crime. If he's guilty, fantastic. If he is innocent, you have damaged his name and credibility beyond repair with these accusations. The accusation alone will stick with him for the rest of his life.
 
watchez said:
And how does Charlie get into the room?

And Marissa, here is a piece of advice. If a guy breaks into your hotel room and climbs into your bed naked uninvited and you don't want to go to the authorities about it - the next night, after you went to the front desk to get your key card changed to a new electronic pattern, you should also put the latch over on the hotel door so even if he is able to pick the lock, create a master key on his computer, or talk the front desk into giving him a key card to your room - he still won't be able to get past the latch.
I did fasten the latch the next night, and I woke up with someone trying to open the door. I stood there and watched through the peephole as Charlie tried to stick a pen in the crack of the door to move it. I was completely floored. The next day I reported it to Frank Alvarez of the UPA.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I did fasten the latch the next night, and I woke up with someone trying to open the door. I stood there and watched through the peephole as Charlie tried to stick a pen in the crack of the door to move it. I was completely floored. The next day I reported it to Frank Alvarez of the UPA.

Marissa, When and where did this incident happen? Is there any reason why you haven't reported this to the police? It's possible that you can still file a police report, however, you should consult with your lawyer.

If you really want to resolve this issue satisfactorily, you should pursue this through legal channels and not through this forum.

Since all this "he said, she said" amounts to hearsay, IMO, this thread should be closed. It's threads like this one that tarnish AZB's reputation.
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
I did fasten the latch the next night, and I woke up with someone trying to open the door. I stood there and watched through the peephole as Charlie tried to stick a pen in the crack of the door to move it. I was completely floored. The next day I reported it to Frank Alvarez of the UPA.
Marissa, here's some free legal advice. STOP POSTING THIS IN PUBLIC, and talk with the police. The more you say, the worse off you will be, unless you decide to bring suit against him. If you decide not to proceed with this legally, he has 2 years from the time he is aware of the last public communication to charge you with libel.

Take it offline or use PMs. Using a public board is painting crosshairs on your head. Just trust me on this one, please.
 
Maybe I am old and naive and believe anything a pretty girl says, but why would she make this story up? I don't see where she has anything to gain by lying about in on a public forum.

Not quite my .02 cents worth but a penny of it anyway.
 
not crazy about the tone of this post but it has merit

I am not crazy about the tone of this post but the underlying content has merit. I was the co-owner of a tightly moderated forum. People were able to intelligently debate politics on this forum and that was all that was allowed. This was plainly stated in the ROE. My forum was found by the members of two much more freewheeling forums and several major attacks designed to shut down my forum were formulated and organized on those forums.

I went on those forums using several anonymizers along the way and copied all of the criminal content before it was removed. Before I was through one forum was itself driven so deeply underground it ceased to exist and the other was so tightly moderated that it's members left in disgust, some coming to my forum short term, where they minded their P's and Q's!! I also kept that forum owner on the edge of his chair for years because I had the ammo in my hands to destroy his real world business by having his licenses pulled that he couldn't operate without.

Some things that are allowed on AZB concern me because they do indeed have the potential to end the site. I'm not running the show and it isn't my call though.

Hu



KoolKat9Lives said:
With all due respect Poolplaya9 (and other censorship screamers), liability associated with content/conduct in & about forums is largely unchartered waters. Last I was aware, insurance companies did not insure sites like AZ against suits. The market does not yet exist (or if it started, it is brand new). However, it IS just a matter of time. Some site will soon be sued because an attorney took a case from a client stating he/she was harmed and the site should have/could have prevented it and perhaps even enabled it. There may or may not be merit to the suit, but the site will be overwhelmed with expense, distraction and stress. Perhaps enough to destroy the entity.

If there is even a possibility of a threat of violence, libel, slander, or other crime - a site's admin would be well served to employ the practices necessary to prove at all times that the site was diligently moderated and took action against questionable conduct (Ie. save transcripts, have witnesses, etc).

So many visitors don't have a F'g clue here as to a forum's legal exposure. Listen... What AZ admin will not tell you... An in-law relative of mine passed away in '04 and I reluctantly took over a # of chat rooms and message boards (I say reluctantly because the content was largely deplorable :eyes: and I own/operate my own retail business of 10 franchise locations). The web-sites were adult in nature and received millions of visitors per year. They were very successful under my reign. I had them moderated out the wazoo looking for (in great part) predators seeking minors and other prey. I could not get insurance. I spoke with attorneys about exposures and sued some jerk site over the use of intellectual property. (btw, I sign divorce papers today and no longer run the sites. :thumbup: I sure don't miss the perverts and policing them. I'd say I miss the money but the ex spent it all and then some.... Unfaithful F**king B**ch. Damn, there's my Tourettes again).

Anyway, no one was going to take that business away from us while I ran it. If I could prevent it - No pervert or sicko was going to hurt someone, rape someone or libel someone under my watch.

And none of the short-sighted VISITORS CRYING "censorship, favoritism, unfair, arbitrary!!!" was going to stop me from drawing the lines only I could draw in the murky legal sand.

Trust me, Mike and his team have their work cut out. His mod's work for free. My policy handbook was long and well defined. But how do you train mod's - free agent associates - how to handle every situation? So AZ and the web-forum world are on their own for now, interpreting where the line must be drawn on a case by case basis. There's no "Site-Owner's Legal Forum Rules for Dummies" book out there! I see and applaud AZ'sefforts in dealing with the 3% psychotic trolls and sickos that breed here and the other 5% of visitors that so freely and ignorantly slam their management practices.

Honestly...
You don't know WTF you're talking about.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Marissa, here's some free legal advice. STOP POSTING THIS IN PUBLIC, and talk with the police. The more you say, the worse off you will be, unless you decide to bring suit against him. If you decide not to proceed with this legally, he has 2 years from the time he is aware of the last public communication to charge you with libel.

Take it offline or use PMs. Using a public board is painting crosshairs on your head. Just trust me on this one, please.

Shawn, do you know whether she KNOWS she can prove it in the court's eye, and he knows she can? Or maybe she knows he knows that she AND perhaps many people here & elsewhere would make his life/business so miserable that he would not proceed...

I'll give odds one of them's the case and (again) that this is the form of justice she has chosen in great part due to a totally f'd up justice system for victims.

I just sense she's got the goods on him. I don't take her as a fool painting crosshairs. I also sense there's more cards ain't been played that he doesn't want played unless he forces 'em.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Marissa, here's some free legal advice. STOP POSTING THIS IN PUBLIC, and talk with the police. The more you say, the worse off you will be, unless you decide to bring suit against him. If you decide not to proceed with this legally, he has 2 years from the time he is aware of the last public communication to charge you with libel.

Take it offline or use PMs. Using a public board is painting crosshairs on your head. Just trust me on this one, please.

First of all he couldn't charge anything, he can make a civil claim. He would have to prove her claims as false and that he had damages. If Marissa could get others to testify about Charlie using the same MO with them and get FAlverez to testify that she made this contemporary accusation (at the time of the alleged incident) those will go along way. Getting the door key recoded and getting the hotel staff to testify to this will go a long way too. Charlie would have to testify too and if Marissa is telling the truth and Charlie lies under oath that could turn into perjury charges (criminal) against him. Contrary to popular belief, judges do not like to be lied to and they do charge people with perjury in the real world.
 
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First thing I would do is to stop posting about it on this forum.If the court/case doesn't go your way he can use your words against you.
And I don't think A.White will be much help,convicted drug dealer are not much help in court.
 
NoBull9 said:
First thing I would do is to stop posting about it on this forum.If the court/case doesn't go your way he can use your words against you.
And I don't think A.White will be much help,convicted drug dealer are not much help in court.
I am discussing this via PM or email at the advice of many people on this thread.

As for Angry, his roommate at the time is a respected pool player, and he was aware of the incident right away as well. I won't use his name just yet since I don't want him to be affected in any upcoming tournaments.
 
Also, there are records of the SMS (including date and actual message) to Charlie in which I stated that I was going to Cindy Lee and the authorities if he tried anything like that again.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Also, there are records of the SMS (including date and actual message) to Charlie in which I stated that I was going to Cindy Lee and the authorities if he tried anything like that again.
If you have all this information, you must take it to the authorities. If this happened, you have a responsibility as a law-abiding citizen to go to the police. Let's say he has done this to many others. Do you want him doing it again? Don't all turn a blind eye and just threaten him. HAVE HIM CHARGED. If he's done it twice or three times, he's not learning from any of you being silent.

Please get the ball rolling and press charges against Charlie if you have the goods on him. You owe it to every female he works with, or will work with.

Good luck!
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
Also, there are records of the SMS (including date and actual message) to Charlie in which I stated that I was going to Cindy Lee and the authorities if he tried anything like that again.


I'm an old man, what's SMS ?

Doug
 
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