You people should check out InsidePoolmag.com once in awhile. You might learn something.
Sally Timko reported on this straight from the horse's mouth.
http://www.insidepoolmag.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1442#post1442
Now all you people who have been criticizing Kevin and Deno and the IPT in general should apologize to them.
I should hold my breath?
It is so easy to criticize before the facts are known.
Jake
Sally Timko reported on this straight from the horse's mouth.
http://www.insidepoolmag.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1442#post1442
Now all you people who have been criticizing Kevin and Deno and the IPT in general should apologize to them.
I should hold my breath?
It is so easy to criticize before the facts are known.
Jake
jjinfla said:
Jake-That 'fact' was given as the offical excuse in Reno and well known but:
I am not buying a Fedex screw-up sorry. First of all no one with an ounce of sense would plan on having the checks arrive on the very day they were needed. They would arrive a day or two before. Secondly, why wouldnt you just bring them? Half the staff of 50 could have done that. Thirdly Fedex doesnt screw up much. If this is really the reason and no one seemed to believe it was, it is one of the poorest exucses of all.
You must go out of your way to ensure that your players who have been burned so many times before do not have to sweat bullets (and many are) to get paid, especially given KT's rep. The IPT did not even try a little to prevent this. In fact i heard the opposite.
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Nostroke said:
I'd like to see FedEx defend itself or support IPT's claim w/ tracking info. Skroo it- who works for FedEx- Pull some info for us!
It is so easy to criticize before the facts are known.
Jake[/QUOTE]
Jake, (this is not directed at yourself) you may have posted the greatest AZ understatement/flu that permeates this board at times. So how many of these
posters would you like to have in your corner/jury when it was all on the line? Just having some fun 
Jake[/QUOTE]
Jake, (this is not directed at yourself) you may have posted the greatest AZ understatement/flu that permeates this board at times. So how many of these
posters would you like to have in your corner/jury when it was all on the line? Just having some fun 
Nostroke said:
As a former manager with Fedex, I will share a little story. We were in a meeting with CEO Fred Smith one day when the announcement was made that the previous day's service level was 99.5% on-time deliveries. Everyone was cheering and giving high-fives until Mr. Smith stopped us dead in our tracks with this statement: "We delivered 2 million packages yesterday, and got 99.5% of them right. That means we had 10 thousand packages we FAILED! That means 20 thousand customers were disappointed! How many customers can we pi$$ off in a week?
The point was that anything less than perfection isn't cause for celebration. As it relates to this thread...Fedex isn't perfect!
Steve
Nostroke said:
My players would have me linched and hung on a tree at the end of the event if there were no funds at the event, and the check was in the mail. My name would be trashed all over the internet, and the damage repair would be hard.
I can't understand for the life of me, why a check book was not brought to one of the safest places available, a casino! Casino's are used to dealing with big fish and have all the means to keep them and their $$$ (check book) safe. (I am under the impression that the event was at a Hotel/Casino...)
In addition, why didn't they have a check book for the days before the event when people were out? Did they say that everyone in the beginning, that they had to wait till Sunday to get paid, then when Sunday came they said, sorry no check book? I don't get it?
Can someone please help me understand this?
I think you have to look at the big picture, if this was the first instance nobody would probably worry but worrying cracks are starting to appear.
The qualifier entry increases
The cancelling of a whole event
The problems at the LAST event with people having to wait all week
Rumours of there only being 6 events next year and none of them starting until July!
I don't doubt the players will get paid, but it will be very interesting to see what happens next year. if I was a diseased betting man I'd be willing to have a punt that the first 6 months of next year won't be completely void of IPT events, 6 months of qualifiers maybe?
The qualifier entry increases
The cancelling of a whole event
The problems at the LAST event with people having to wait all week
Rumours of there only being 6 events next year and none of them starting until July!
I don't doubt the players will get paid, but it will be very interesting to see what happens next year. if I was a diseased betting man I'd be willing to have a punt that the first 6 months of next year won't be completely void of IPT events, 6 months of qualifiers maybe?
Gabber
Banned
Nostroke said:
If its not the Fedex not delivering the checks on time, whats the REAL reason for not paying out?
If he has the money then why not just do as promised [ for 9 months], pay out after the tourny and avoid all this bad publicity and speculation.
This was a Q event. Players paid good money and some went to great expense to get to this tourny expecting to get paid in the hand and they didnt. Thats a fact.
Is he just seeing how far he can go?
So far he has postponed the tour, cancelled a tourny and changed the payout agreement without significant dissent from the players. Someone said the No. of tourneys next season is 6 instead of 11! - and there is a guarateed $100,000 for every IPT member!
If KT can get get the IPT to where it is now, with 1,000s of hopefuls paying $1.500 or more to play, then SURELY he can pay when promised. Gabber
Eydie Romano said:My players would have me lynched and hung on a tree at the end of the event if there were no funds at the event, and the check was in the mail. My name would be trashed all over the internet, and the damage repair would be hard.
I can't understand for the life of me, why a check book was not brought to one of the safest places available, a casino! Casino's are used to dealing with big fish and have all the means to keep them and their $$$ (check book) safe. (I am under the impression that the event was at a Hotel/Casino...)
In addition, why didn't they have a check book for the days before the event when people were out? Did they say that everyone in the beginning, that they had to wait till Sunday to get paid, then when Sunday came they said, sorry no check book? I don't get it?
Can someone please help me understand this?
Sorry Eydie, it is unexplainable. Some people ive known though just like to make others feel small and helpless.
Gabber said:
The ironic thing is he has moved mountains to get a pretty decent online shoppingcart online so he cant accept payments for streaming video,qualifiers,products etc etc, No small achievment and pretty impressive in the time he had, we haven't heard many complaints from people having problems trying to pay. Why so many problems with getting paid? I hope its just another glitch
Island Drive said:
Jake, (this is not directed at yourself) you may have posted the greatest AZ understatement/flu that permeates this board at times. So how many of these
posters would you like to have in your corner/jury when it was all on the line? Just having some fun [/QUOTE]Off hand, I can't think of any I would trust over KT or Deno. But then I really do not know many at all.
I would trust Harry Beeson but he is too fortright and for that he got banned.
Jake
TheOne said:The ironic thing is he has moved mountains to get a pretty decent online shoppingcart online so he cant accept payments for streaming video,qualifiers,products etc etc, No small achievment and pretty impressive in the time he had, we haven't heard many complaints from people having problems trying to pay. Why so many problems with getting paid? I hope its just another glitch
Okay, let's look at a few facts.
This is not some smuck tournament with 30-40 players. It is huge with 200 players plus all his other employees and contractors that have to be paid.
Can you imagine sitting down and writing out 200 checks?
I imagine they are all computer generated. That sounds pretty simple, just press a key and they are magically printed. But wait, you have to have each player's name on the check. Okay, that is no problem once the computer is set up just print them. But wait, you have to know the amount each player receives and that varies from player to player and is not determined until the end of the day.
Since the pool players can, and will be, considered employees of the IPT I can see in the future that payday will be once or twice a month just like any other employee in the USA. Most likely electronically deposited into their checking/savings account which might surprise some players that they will have to open an account at a bank.
Having cash on hand in those amounts can be a pretty expensive venture hiring all those armed guards to protect that money.
Jake
TheOne said:The ironic thing is he has moved mountains to get a pretty decent online shoppingcart online so he cant accept payments for streaming video,qualifiers,products etc etc, No small achievment and pretty impressive in the time he had, we haven't heard many complaints from people having problems trying to pay. Why so many problems with getting paid? I hope its just another glitch
I think you have a typo and 'can't' means 'can accept payments'? It is easy to get a shopping cart and accept payments with a merchant account. I have one. The shopping cart is part of many website hosting's offerings and you can be approved right away for merchant status, so it took no great effort.
I was thinking that if I were in charge of making sure the checks arrived, I would bring them on either in my carry-on or pack them. But then I was thinking that I was already 5 pounds over-limit in my regular luggage for only 4 days and that my carry-on already has a huge laptop in it and carrying 200+ ledger-type checks would not be fun or feasible. So, I guess I would FedEx it.
I wonder if all the other merchandise and tournament boards/pictures were FedExed as well? Of course, they would have been scheduled to arrive well before the tournament started.
jjinfla said:
The IPT had complete online information of all of the matches, who advanced, what the percentages were, tie breakers, etc. That comes from data in a database. The same data would be used to fill out the checks. Nobody would have to write in a name and try and figure out how much they would be paid. That information is electronic, and because the checks were issued at the end of the last tournament, the system should be in place to do that. A few simple changes, and yes, someone just clicks a button and 200 checks can be printed.
Kelly
DaveK said:
Hands down the funniest post in a while!
Jake/Linda, All I know is as a web developer I can tell you that the website they have built is excellent and infinately more difficult to build than to ensure the players get paid on time. Just step back from the details. Nine months to prepare, players getting paid ontime one of your key promise, big forum bunfight over Jay getting paid and others after the vegas event, lost the cheques?
The BCA, VNEA, prob APA do it every year with 1,000's of players. This isn't the first IPT tournament and the new payouts where mentioned AT THE VEGAS EVENT.