the chess myth

...however with chess, you do not need to practice in order to learn how to move a pawn one square...

But you need to practice to figure out which pawn to move, and WHY!

No one has mentioned that both games require strategy and theory.

In chess you have to know tactical moves (pinning with a knight, controlling a file with a rook, etc.). In one pocket, you have to know banks, combinations, 'seeing the move'.

Also in chess, from the theory side, there is attacking up the middle vs sitting on the sides and bushwacking the point coming up the middle. In one pocket, there are some who like to park balls up at the other end (defensive) and some who play aggressive (just like chess's playing up the middle) and try to run out.

And then there is playing the player. In chess you know things like which opening moves a player favors and where his weaknesses are. Similar in one pocket.

Chess is probably the most similar game to one pocket.
 
However, I think the true masters of chess to *some* degree transcend this aspect of raw brainpower, and seem to employ an almost supernatural intuition when selecting moves.


Spot on. Top chess is a combination of superior pattern recognition, calculation skills, experience, intuition, knowledge/study, and memory.

No one has mentioned that there is no luck in chess, whereas there is always some element of luck in billiard games.

Besides, I think chess and one-pocket are too different to really be a useful comparison. Among other things chess is vastly more complex.
 
All I know is, Gary Kasparov would drill me in chess and Scott Frost would drill me in one pocket.

But, it would be fun to play either one.
 
chess and 1P will be the same as soon as a computer can beat Efren every time

what would you call the computer??? Big Green?:thumbup:
 
I find cerebral tendencies to be similar.

BTW, don't answer you initial post so quickly. Why don't you give it some time for people to respond. I read two threads today and you did it on both.
 
creedo seems to have laid down a pretty fair analysis. I agree that chess basically comes down to pattern recognition, as do a lot of pool games.
 
Among other things chess is vastly more complex.

I'm not sure this is necessarily true. While there are certainly an enormous variety of options in chess, those options are limited by the discrete nature of the chessboard and rules of the game. In other words, there are only 64 squares, and you can only move 1 piece at a time (not counting castling). So while this certainly offers a large number of possibilities, pool in general offers *more*. This is because pool the pool table is not set up to be a grid of discrete states, rather it is continuous. In other words, there are an infinite number of locations for each ball, and you can move one, two, or all the balls on one shot. I think from a pure physical standpoint, pool is VASTLY more complex than chess. From a strategic standpoint, I think the perception exists that chess is more strategic than pool. I think, however, that this perception exists because of the genius types of people who excel at chess. I think that by definition since more options exist at any one time in pool, it is the more complex game. In real world terms however, many of these options could be categorized into basic "moves" and "shots"...for example "cross bank the 2 ball and try to bump that 4 away from his pocket". This scenario could unfold in 1000 different slightly different ways, but the "move" is the same.

For a fun experiment, I would like to see a top chess master learn the mechanics of pool and what strategic elements exist. Then let them work with someone like Reyes, Frost, Owen, etc...anyone that can execute shots at a 1st rate pro level...let the chess player decide what to do and the pool player does it. It might be interesting to see how that would work out.

KMRUNOUT
 
All I know is, Gary Kasparov would drill me in chess and Scott Frost would drill me in one pocket.

But, it would be fun to play either one.

Ha ha...agreed! Now the question is...what happens if Gary Kasparov plays Scott Frost in a combined chess/pool match. Say race to 5 in each. My money is on a 5-0/5-0 draw...lol.

KMRUNOUT
 
Ha ha...agreed! Now the question is...what happens if Gary Kasparov plays Scott Frost in a combined chess/pool match. Say race to 5 in each. My money is on a 5-0/5-0 draw...lol.

KMRUNOUT

LOL...I don't think there's any doubt that would be the outcome.
 
Maybe worth mentioning that probably the world's strongest 1p player (Efren) is known to be a serious and pretty good chess player.
 
now we are talking

Maybe worth mentioning that probably the world's strongest 1p player (Efren) is known to be a serious and pretty good chess player.

Tell Efren if he will spot me his hussy and her castle I'll take him on, even money! :D

Hu
 
To the OP, it says in your profile that you are just learning about pool. What makes you think you can judge a game you are only just learning, One Pocket especially, which is definitely not a game for beginners?
 
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