The definitive solution to the 9 ball break

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I've said this before, but with this US Open and controversial break rules, and all the specialty racks, templates and all ... I think I still have the best solution.


Place the CB on the dead center spot of the table ... Put the balls in this thing, hang it over the center of the table, turn it around three times .. and release the balls onto the table. End of problem.
 

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Yes, that's been referred to as the "bucket solution" on the forum. Pretty cool.
 
There is no real problem...,

If the breaker is winning 50% of the racks, then the other 50% is going to the guy in the chair, there is no problem. We are not seeing big runs, 3 or 4 maybe and that's fine.

So whats the big deal?
 
I like the 9 ball format at the Open. A little skill and moving makes for a better game to watch and a fair game to crown a winner from...IMO. Johnnyt
 
The Best will outshine...

No matter who racks... Where they break from... The guy with the most ability and who puts the most effort in is going to come out on top. Handicapping the break is retarded in my opinion. 😖
 
I like the 9 ball format at the Open. A little skill and moving makes for a better game to watch and a fair game to crown a winner from...IMO. Johnnyt

Agreed, JohnnyT. Unfortunately, in the wake of the most exciting US Open I've ever watched, I cringe at the thought of next year's group of whiners on the subject of the break.
 
Agreed, JohnnyT. Unfortunately, in the wake of the most exciting US Open I've ever watched, I cringe at the thought of next year's group of whiners on the subject of the break.

Quite right. As evidenced by the massive television audience and the corporate sponsors lining up to flood professional pool with money, obviously the answer is to stay the course, keep playing break-contest 9-ball, and stop "whining".

No doubt the millions of fans who tuned in for the captivating spectacle of watching to see if the wing ball goes in will tune in for many years to come.
 
I have a challenge.

I'd like to see how many AZBers can run out the racks that the pros do IF you start with their position after the break.

Let's pick say 40 racks where the breaker had a shot after the break and ran the rack. Out of those we will choose ten racks and see how many of us can run those ten racks on one try from the same starting position.

I bet that only a very small percentage of AZB non-pro players will run those racks.

It's not all about the break. Pros play better position, they make moderately difficult shots look easy and make tough shots more often than amateurs do. Just because they get out after the break doesn't mean you will.
 
I've said this before, but with this US Open and controversial break rules, and all the specialty racks, templates and all ... I think I still have the best solution.


Place the CB on the dead center spot of the table ... Put the balls in this thing, hang it over the center of the table, turn it around three times .. and release the balls onto the table. End of problem.

Bucket break
 
Quite right. As evidenced by the massive television audience and the corporate sponsors lining up to flood professional pool with money, obviously the answer is to stay the course, keep playing break-contest 9-ball, and stop "whining".

No doubt the millions of fans who tuned in for the captivating spectacle of watching to see if the wing ball goes in will tune in for many years to come.

Actually, this is a very good post, because it underscores, with an entertaining level of sarcasm, the fact that these little arguments won't be the difference in whether pool can be sold to the general public.

That said, though, these arguments, in the eyes of pros and others who are very serious about pool, pertain to the assurance of a fair playing field in today's pro competitions.

I've contended for about twenty years that the pros need to be playing the one and only game that people who are not serious about pool know (that would be 8-ball) if they hope to sell the game to the widest possible audience.
 
Actually, this is a very good post, because it underscores, with an entertaining level of sarcasm, the fact that these little arguments won't be the difference in whether pool can be sold to the general public.

That said, though, these arguments, in the eyes of pros and others who are very serious about pool, pertain to the assurance of a fair playing field in today's pro competitions.

I've contended for about twenty years that the pros need to be playing the one and only game that people who are not serious about pool know (that would be 8-ball) if they hope to sell the game to the widest possible audience.

Glad you like it. 8-ball would probably be better, I agree, but there's still the break problem. Make it so the breaker shoots again even without making a ball, and we've got a watchable game. My guess is a pro with the break would win something like 70 to 80% of games this way, which is near the percentage of games won by the server in tennis (80% I think). Alternate break, win by two, and multiple sets.

Good things about pro 8-ball, in addition to being the game everyone knows
--Runouts get harder with each ball, not easier.
--You have to commit to a run-out pretty early on, you can't usually duck halfway through. Makes it interesting, more decision-making.

Still, the idea that discussing problems with the break in 9-ball is "whining" is wrong. Pro 9-ball is broken. If it weren't you wouldn't get people talking about how the only true test is a race to 100. Even the "powers that be" implicitly acknowledge that 9-ball is broken by changing the break rules over and over.

The only reason it's played the way it is now is tradition. Here's a question. Suppose 9-ball was traditionally played such that the breaker doesn't need to sink a ball to shoot again. Do you think anyone in their right mind would be suggesting to change this, to add a huge piece of luck and make the most important skill being able to figure out how to read the rack and pocket the wing ball? No.

BTW here's another little anecdote about the watchability of pool. I kinda have a habit of trying to force my non-player or casual player friends to watch pro pool, either streaming or accustats dvds. Surprisingly, I've actually found that a lot of non-pool-junkie people prefer watching one pocket to 9-ball. Small sample, and my friends lean in the scientific direction, so maybe that's why the complexities of 1-pocket are appealing. But still.

I'm probably one of the few people on this board that actually thinks pool has the potential to be a mainstream spectator sport. It's got a lot going for it. Unlike golf, you can capture everything perfectly on TV. There's already precedent for mainstream cue sport success with snooker in the UK. And, if you find the right game, it's exciting and also very skillful. Obviously changing rules or games isn't going to solve everything overnight, but if I "whine" it's because I actually believe that the watchability of 9-ball is severely hindered by the overwhelming importance of the break.
 
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Yes, that's been referred to as the "bucket solution" on the forum. Pretty cool.

All's fine and dandy until the bucket mechanics get ahold of it. :D After that, it's down to whoever's got the best dump. :sorry:
 
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