The IPT failing and a few are optimistic..

Dr. Dissent

Dr. Dissent

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Ok people, I read your posts at my other thread, but don't have time to answer to everyone, so here it is....

This weekend qualifiers failed, except for Las Vegas Cue Club. (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt).

Lots of people have been glorifying the IPT but those who "dare" say anything against the IPT get's bashed. Way to go people!

The IPT should stop BS'ing around. It's time to "show us the money" and see some real action by the players.

Lots of people complained about the original selectees but many are not stepping up to prove themselves worthy of the tour. Six or 8 people showing up for a "Grandeur" qualifier? Two tournaments with 10 people? Come on people, that is definitely not a success. The IPT will have to regroup their thoughts.

Twenty persons per qualifier may have made the cut of calling it "mildly succesfull". Where were the thousands of players in the U.S. or the hundreds of players in each State?

I guess the IPT should just start with the "big tournaments" and hold only a few qualifiers, so that we could see this thing "jump-start" and see how all whom have qualified, fare against each other.

Deno, Trudeau, let the "playing" begin!
 
You just lost your credibility with me Dr.

You weren't being bashed. Various opinions were offered. Just because everyone doesn't agree with all your points does not mean you are being bashed.

And instead of responding those who took the time to respond to you, you start another thread so as to grandstand.
 
Colin,
I think quite a few players from the event I was running in Raleigh might feel pretty good about things. Sam Monday and Stevie Moore both won spots in the Vegas event, several other players either won a paid entry ($1000) to another qualifier, either through their finish in the tournament, or through the challenge matches against Grady. From that standpoint, I would call the event a success for the players.
I'm wondering if the good doctor has a personal axe to grind with the IPT. I can honestly say that my involvement this weekend was a very positive experience. Everyone I dealt with from the IPT this week has been nothing but professional, positive, and very easy to work with. I spoke with Deno last night while I was driving home, and told him I would be happy to run more of these for him whenever possible.
Steve
 
The fact that they did run the qualifiers, on time, and were able to keep everyone informed of the results on the IPT website speaks volumes for the efficiency of the IPT.

That alone indicates that they are not a fly by night organization.

And there are at least 10 more converts to the IPT. Plus their family and friends.

I believe that a lot of the players who didn't show up had other commitments for this weekend and a lot of them just wanted to take the wait and see attitude. There are still 20 more qualifiers - 40 open spots - and 10 less top players to compete against.

But, I personally think that a lot of the great players who didn't play this weekend in the qualifiers, missed the boat in several ways. Missed playing in relatively easy fields, missed future free entries, missed winning $1,000.

The qualifiers for next week should be interesting. Only 3 in the USA. Which one to pick?

MD is close for a lot of great players from the East. And WA is close for all the great players from the West. So will those two sites be filled and is the best choice OH? Or will everyone think that way?

I feel sorry for Pickering. He got hit with a one-two punch. First Matlock, and then Sambojan. Tough draw.

Jake
 
pooltchr said:
Colin,
I think quite a few players from the event I was running in Raleigh might feel pretty good about things. Sam Monday and Stevie Moore both won spots in the Vegas event, several other players either won a paid entry ($1000) to another qualifier, either through their finish in the tournament, or through the challenge matches against Grady. From that standpoint, I would call the event a success for the players.
I'm wondering if the good doctor has a personal axe to grind with the IPT. I can honestly say that my involvement this weekend was a very positive experience. Everyone I dealt with from the IPT this week has been nothing but professional, positive, and very easy to work with. I spoke with Deno last night while I was driving home, and told him I would be happy to run more of these for him whenever possible.
Steve
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That's good to hear Steve!

It's certainly good for aspiring players to have a decent chance of either getting into an IPT event, or to win entry into another qualifier. It's certainly hard to complain that its not open to players by any fair measure.

How has holding the IPT event at your club affected your business? At the Broadway club here in Shanghai business is up over 20% in the last couple of weeks I'm told. It's also done a lot for the branding of the club as an elite venue in Shanghai, so I can imagine a lot more clubs are going to want to be involved in holding and promoting IPT events in the future.

That combined with more coming TV exposure and the development of more mini-qualifiers, bodes well for the success of this model as a potentially lucrative revenue stream for the IPT.

In 2007 with 7 open events and the end of year qualifier planned, there will be about 250 qualifying events by my estimation, with probably 20-50 players entering each event. That's a fair chunk of change to be aiming at, so hopefully the slowish start is just the sign of an engine warming up....fingers crossed:D

btw: What kind of response did you get from those who came to watch? I expect many of them were wishing they could have been in the event, and hoping they can go in the next one...right?

Colin
 
Hope things work out..

Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I feel that the turnout for the local events is as expected. I don't feel that there would be that many people in a given area who would go out for a spot for the following reasons:
1. Most folks in an area know who the true great players in the area are andwould not pay $1000 for a chance to face most of them in one tournament.
2. $1000 is a lot to pay for a chance if you are not one of the true top level players in the area.
3. Not that many people, even good players, would give up a job, etc an go on the road for tournament play.
4. The top gamblers often have little desire or incentive to get into a tournament like this. Heck, a lot of them will just hang around at tournaments and win more than the guy who wins the tournament and they still have the freedom to come and go as they please.
Tournament life is rough. Not everyone wants it. I think you are simply seeing the few good players who do truly want that lifestyle show up.
 
Colin,
I can't really comment on how business was impacted. I am not an employee of that club (I live 200 miles away), but they contacted me to see if I could come up and run the event for them.
Crowds were a little thin for the event, mostly friends and family of the players, although there were quite a few serious pool fans who showed up to watch the action.
There was a good crowd of customers in the room last night, but I don't know if they were even aware of what was happening on the back tables. A couple came over to the table to ask, and when I told them that the players were competing for a chance to play in a $2M tournament, they were pretty surprised. I think that the club was operating on a bit of short notice. I am going to speak with the VP of marketing with some suggestions they might want to put in place to promote future events and make them more interesting for the casual players. As a follower of the game, the idea of watching Stevie and Sam battle it out, or BJ challenging Grady is pretty impressive. I doubt if most of the regular customers even know who some of these folks are.
As this Q process grows, I think the clubs can use it as an opportunity to educate their customers, build interest, and get some of them to start getting more involved in competitive pool.
Kevin and the IPT have placed a vehicle out there to promote the game, but we need to teach someone how to drive it. I think the room operators have an incredible opportunity to build their business, but aren't quite sure how to take advantage of it yet.
Steve
 
Lets keep in mind that when the tour card qualifiers were being held players where traveling from Canada, Europe, Asia and Australia to participate. Since there was only one qualifier being held at a time and they were all located (with a couple of exceptions) in the US they had larger fields of players.

This time around there are 25 qualifiers held around the world and there are a few being held at the same time. The fact that there is more than one qualifier being held at the same time will break up the field somewhat. If there was only one tournament this weekend I expect the field would have been close to 40 or 50. Furthermore there are players from other parts of the world waiting for the qualifier that is being held in their respective area. If you look at the list of players all but two are Americans.

What did you expect 50-70 players in each of the qualifiers? That would be somewhere in the area of 200 players attempting to qualify this weekend. Considering that the IPT has not even aired its first show yet, and there are people who don't know much about the IPT, that is a bit of a stretch.
 
Dr. Dissent said:
Ok people, I read your posts at my other thread, but don't have time to answer to everyone, so here it is....

This weekend qualifiers failed, except for Las Vegas Cue Club. (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt).

Lots of people have been glorifying the IPT but those who "dare" say anything against the IPT get's bashed. Way to go people!

The IPT should stop BS'ing around. It's time to "show us the money" and see some real action by the players.

Lots of people complained about the original selectees but many are not stepping up to prove themselves worthy of the tour. Six or 8 people showing up for a "Grandeur" qualifier? Two tournaments with 10 people? Come on people, that is definitely not a success. The IPT will have to regroup their thoughts.

Twenty persons per qualifier may have made the cut of calling it "mildly succesfull". Where were the thousands of players in the U.S. or the hundreds of players in each State?

I guess the IPT should just start with the "big tournaments" and hold only a few qualifiers, so that we could see this thing "jump-start" and see how all whom have qualified, fare against each other.

Deno, Trudeau, let the "playing" begin!
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i do not like to get into these little bicker sessions as i call them however i am going to go out on the limb and take a guess on a few things 1.your not a pool player at all 2.you are another promoter afraid of losing revenue 3.you have a personal vendeta twards the ipt or staff 4.you are not a business sense man or woman at all none of these were meant as an insult or a stab at you but just a few observations i have notice i have been in the pool business for over 18 years and have seen alot of things in pool happen and none in my opinion have ever reach the level that the ipt has already reached and soon will far excede i am a very leary person towards money making schemes however i am willing at my expense to continue backing and fully supporting the ipt tour for myself as a player and room owner and for the pool player who just wants to strive for a beter life for himself and family and if that is a bad dream or a nightmare to have then i welcome it and support it thanks for the ear and i know i cant spell or type for poop but that is why i hire secretaries.
 
pro-tyme said:
i do not like to get into these little bicker sessions as i call them however i am going to go out on the limb and take a guess on a few things 1.your not a pool player at all 2.you are another promoter afraid of losing revenue 3.you have a personal vendeta twards the ipt or staff 4.you are not a business sense man or woman at all none of these were meant as an insult or a stab at you but just a few observations i have notice i have been in the pool business for over 18 years and have seen alot of things in pool happen and none in my opinion have ever reach the level that the ipt has already reached and soon will far excede i am a very leary person towards money making schemes however i am willing at my expense to continue backing and fully supporting the ipt tour for myself as a player and room owner and for the pool player who just wants to strive for a beter life for himself and family and if that is a bad dream or a nightmare to have then i welcome it and support it thanks for the ear and i know i cant spell or type for poop but that is why i hire secretaries.
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You don't like getting into bickering sessions as you call them, yet you start out personally attacking the poster. Some of you people are so transparent.
 
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Bamacues said:
Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I feel that the turnout for the local events is as expected. I don't feel that there would be that many people in a given area who would go out for a spot for the following reasons:
1. Most folks in an area know who the true great players in the area are andwould not pay $1000 for a chance to face most of them in one tournament.
2. $1000 is a lot to pay for a chance if you are not one of the true top level players in the area.
3. Not that many people, even good players, would give up a job, etc an go on the road for tournament play.
4. The top gamblers often have little desire or incentive to get into a tournament like this. Heck, a lot of them will just hang around at tournaments and win more than the guy who wins the tournament and they still have the freedom to come and go as they please.
Tournament life is rough. Not everyone wants it. I think you are simply seeing the few good players who do truly want that lifestyle show up.
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I think this is right on the money on all points. A typical pool tournament might get a much larger turnout, but in the case of the IPT qualifiers the number of entries will be way down mostly for point 3 and then because of point 1, imo. As Bamacues says, not everyone wants to become a touring pool pro, and many that might are realistic as to their chances.

Dave
 
macguy said:
You don't like getting into bickering sessions as you call them, yet you start out personally attacking the poster. Some of you people are so transparent.
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hmmmmmmm dr.dissent=macguy=transparent=lmao
 
pooltchr said:
Colin,
I think quite a few players from the event I was running in Raleigh might feel pretty good about things. Sam Monday and Stevie Moore both won spots in the Vegas event, several other players either won a paid entry ($1000) to another qualifier, either through their finish in the tournament, or through the challenge matches against Grady. From that standpoint, I would call the event a success for the players.
I'm wondering if the good doctor has a personal axe to grind with the IPT. I can honestly say that my involvement this weekend was a very positive experience. Everyone I dealt with from the IPT this week has been nothing but professional, positive, and very easy to work with. I spoke with Deno last night while I was driving home, and told him I would be happy to run more of these for him whenever possible.
Steve
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Steve, the players at the event must have been happy. There was not a big turnout, therefore, their chances certainly improved. Others had the chance to win a paid entry to another qualifier plus the challenge matches against Grady. I would be happy too under this scenario. The event was a success for the players but not for the IPT.

Now back on the subject...

There are too many qualifiers in my opinion. The turnout for the first six could be an indicator of things to come. We, the spectators, have been waiting too long for the Tour to kick in. This leads to huge amounts of speculations.

Twenty more qualifiers and sixty more days before we see the tour kick in?

Too many independant tournaments have had to reschedule. Many others proposed or in the making have to take into consideration the number of IPT qualifiers in order to schedule around it to hopefully get a number of good players to come in. The lack of action by the IPT is doing more harm than good.

Before the IPT came in, everything seemed to be working in order, tournament schedules basically did not conflict with others. The money may not have been that great but it was sufficient and the players were coming in. The IPT has changed all that and still no action.

The other problem is the IPT cloth. While all the players have been practicing on mostly Simonis, a fast cloth, for the fast pace 9 Ball, they now have to adjust to another cloth, much slower, and much harder to get the ball rolling. This is not good for the game. Players would have to search for places that have the two cloths in order for practicing their 9 Ball for scheduled events, and then switching to slow cloth on another table for IPT 8 ball events. Establishments will not benefit from this unless they have huge amounts of money to spare changing cloths or adding additional tables. Players will not benefit also because they will have to switch their cloth at home or have 2 tables.

I'm certain that many are tired of the waiting, and more so many of the players. I'm just being more vocal about it.

The IPT should reschedule all this but then they are already knee deep, so there is no other alternative but to wait, which is a true bummer.

Let the play begin!
 
Dr. Dissent said:
Steve, the players at the event must have been happy. There was not a big turnout, therefore, their chances certainly improved. Others had the chance to win a paid entry to another qualifier plus the challenge matches against Grady. I would be happy too under this scenario. The event was a success for the players but not for the IPT.

Now back on the subject...

There are too many qualifiers in my opinion. The turnout for the first six could be an indicator of things to come. We, the spectators, have been waiting too long for the Tour to kick in. This leads to huge amounts of speculations.

Twenty more qualifiers and sixty more days before we see the tour kick in?

Too many independant tournaments have had to reschedule. Many others proposed or in the making have to take into consideration the number of IPT qualifiers in order to schedule around it to hopefully get a number of good players to come in. The lack of action by the IPT is doing more harm than good.

Before the IPT came in, everything seemed to be working in order, tournament schedules basically did not conflict with others. The money may not have been that great but it was sufficient and the players were coming in. The IPT has changed all that and still no action.

The other problem is the IPT cloth. While all the players have been practicing on mostly Simonis, a fast cloth, for the fast pace 9 Ball, they now have to adjust to another cloth, much slower, and much harder to get the ball rolling. This is not good for the game. Players would have to search for places that have the two cloths in order for practicing their 9 Ball for scheduled events, and then switching to slow cloth on another table for IPT 8 ball events. Establishments will not benefit from this unless they have huge amounts of money to spare changing cloths or adding additional tables. Players will not benefit also because they will have to switch their cloth at home or have 2 tables.

I'm certain that many are tired of the waiting, and more so many of the players. I'm just being more vocal about it.

The IPT should reschedule all this but then they are already knee deep, so there is no other alternative but to wait, which is a true bummer.

Let the play begin!
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repeat-repeat-repeat please sir sing a different tune omg the same old thing let me expose this post omgggggggg 1.the room owners have a choice of cloth a fast and a slow i choose the fast which for over 18 years have used 760 simonis and this new cloth is better period more control and good speed little faster then 860 and looks the exact same 2.the ipt=internation pool tour ok that means what it means it is a tour that is all over the world and if you were a player that traveled to play understands that the closer the event the less expensive it is so what is wrong with spreading out the locations world wide and try to make it easier for the player and also cheaper makes sense to me for years my friend who players the tours traveled and finished in alot of events and lost money how is that positive cash flow 3.if you are a good player playing for 350,000.00 dollars and cannot adapt to cloth speed omg players have done this there whole life can u say apa and bca on bar table slow cloth mud ball no air and egg shaped balls and we cannot get used to slower cloth on top tables with the best chalk,balls,cameras and 350,000.00 first place in vegas and i have the cloth,balls and chalk this is not talk but facts.advice to dr.dissent - start looking for a new name to post under soon cause when this is rolling full swing you will be an outcast for trying to bash a system that is promoting a sport that deserves to be recognized and profitable to the man and woman who work so hard to be good at hours a day 7 days a week full time earning minimum wages.dallas west has begun to play again jimmy mataya and who knows who eles that will come out swinging one more time owell just my 50cents
 
Bamacues said:
Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I feel that the turnout for the local events is as expected. I don't feel that there would be that many people in a given area who would go out for a spot for the following reasons:
1. Most folks in an area know who the true great players in the area are andwould not pay $1000 for a chance to face most of them in one tournament.The IPT isn't for "Most folks". It is for the very top level professional players. If you don't think you can match up with the best players in your area, you shouldn't be thinking IPT.
2. $1000 is a lot to pay for a chance if you are not one of the true top level players in the area. See comment above
3. Not that many people, even good players, would give up a job, etc an go on the road for tournament play. I agree with this. Most of us have real jobs that we can't just give up to play pool. Those who are in a position to do so are the ones who are looking at the IPT, and getting out to these events.
4. The top gamblers often have little desire or incentive to get into a tournament like this. Heck, a lot of them will just hang around at tournaments and win more than the guy who wins the tournament and they still have the freedom to come and go as they please.
Tournament life is rough. Not everyone wants it. I think you are simply seeing the few good players who do truly want that lifestyle show up.That is exactly right. For the ones who can and want to play pool professionally, this is the opportunity. For the rest of us, it's hopefully going to give us a lot of really good pool to watch.
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Personally, I hope the IPT is a huge success.
Steve
 
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pro-tyme said:
repeat-repeat-repeat please sir sing a different tune omg the same old thing let me expose this post omgggggggg 1.the room owners have a choice of cloth a fast and a slow i choose the fast which for over 18 years have used 760 simonis and this new cloth is better period more control and good speed little faster then 860 and looks the exact same 2.the ipt=internation pool tour ok that means what it means it is a tour that is all over the world and if you were a player that traveled to play understands that the closer the event the less expensive it is so what is wrong with spreading out the locations world wide and try to make it easier for the player and also cheaper makes sense to me for years my friend who players the tours traveled and finished in alot of events and lost money how is that positive cash flow 3.if you are a good player playing for 350,000.00 dollars and cannot adapt to cloth speed omg players have done this there whole life can u say apa and bca on bar table slow cloth mud ball no air and egg shaped balls and we cannot get used to slower cloth on top tables with the best chalk,balls,cameras and 350,000.00 first place in vegas and i have the cloth,balls and chalk this is not talk but facts.advice to dr.dissent - start looking for a new name to post under soon cause when this is rolling full swing you will be an outcast for trying to bash a system that is promoting a sport that deserves to be recognized and profitable to the man and woman who work so hard to be good at hours a day 7 days a week full time earning minimum wages.dallas west has begun to play again jimmy mataya and who knows who eles that will come out swinging one more time owell just my 50cents
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Perhaps you should have your secretary type your posts from now on. It would make them much easier to read and your points would be more clear.
 
I feel turnouts might have been better had the amount of entries been posted ahead of time. I think the players' perception was that the tournament would be full like the other qualifiers, filled to the brim with champions. I think it was surprising to all of us that there were so few entrants.

Also, as others have stated, there were other high profile tournaments going on the same weekend. The remaining qualifiers should have fuller fields.

To those that want to support the IPT, I would suggest running pre-qualifiers for smaller entry fees. That way, it enables players to get to a qualifier at a lower cost and it also gives you a way to sweat your player in the qualifier and the main event (should they win) by rewarding you with a percentage plus the referral fee.

Hopefully, our Jillian's Seattle stop this weekend will have a bigger turnout. I do wish that they could start on Sat. instead of Sunday if they don't have a full field, as I am forced to be in Newport Beach on Friday and I can't arrive until 7pm. By then, it could be over and I have 2 players to sweat! :eek:
 
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