the IPT is a joke

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the title says it all,IMO, I watch these matches and it's like the players are playing for a salary and not a prize there acting is rediculous it's not even funny, I also wonder where they got there audience from , do any of you think for one second that Gerda could beat Earl!, the whole IPT is a joke and is an insult to the people that watch this , to me it's like watching wrestling.


Steven
 
justabrake said:
do any of you think for one second that Gerda could beat Earl!,
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To put it nicely, I am not a fan of Earl. However, I will say that he would never willingly lose to any other player, man or woman. To take it farther, I don't know any professional pool player who would willingly lose to another player in a tournament.

Although you may not like the IPT, that is your choice, I don't think you can say that all of the players are not trying to win every match.
 
Rich R. said:
To take it farther, I don't know any professional pool player who would willingly lose to another player in a tournament.

Although you may not like the IPT, that is your choice, I don't think you can say that all of the players are not trying to win every match.
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Well, I wouldn't exactly go that far. The word "dump" has been coined for some reason. And good old "OHB", God rest his soul, in his story about the two farmers admits how he dumped to win big at the end.

How many stories are there out there of players who dump to run up the odds.

And then there are the players who have to show up on Saturday but don't want to be there on Sunday because they have a golf match at 8:00am and somhow manage to lose to two inferior players.

And who would bet on players if they would have betting lines in Vegas without knowing the players first?

Earl is now known as a very true to the game player. Doesn't gamble any more. But then when he was young he did work in a carnival before he went on the road so we all suspect he was not always an angel. He, like most of us, just never got caught.

Jake
 
I seriously doubt Johnny Archer or Earl would lose on purpose in a tournement with anywhere near this amount of money being paid out. Tight tables, slow cloth, different game, and maybe a little lack of respect for ladies who can play good seems more likely to me.

Seems like most of your posts have a thumbs down icon on them, justabrake. Maybe you justneedtochillout.
 
Rich R. said:
To put it nicely, I am not a fan of Earl. However, I will say that he would never willingly lose to any other player, man or woman. To take it farther, I don't know any professional pool player who would willingly lose to another player in a tournament.

Although you may not like the IPT, that is your choice, I don't think you can say that all of the players are not trying to win every match.
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do you know the stories where the players all dump matchs and collected big payoffs from the casinos, why aren't the casinos booking bets on pool, DAH,
they'll book snooker and some pool matches elswhere but never here again USA, they been burnt.


Steven
 
justabrake said:
do you know the stories where the players all dump matchs and collected big payoffs from the casinos, why aren't the casinos booking bets on pool, DAH,
they'll book snooker and some pool matches elswhere but never here again USA, they been burnt.


Steven
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I believe this is in the works actually.
 
justabrake said:
the title says it all,IMO, I watch these matches and it's like the players are playing for a salary and not a prize there acting is rediculous it's not even funny, I also wonder where they got there audience from , do any of you think for one second that Gerda could beat Earl!, the whole IPT is a joke and is an insult to the people that watch this , to me it's like watching wrestling.


Steven
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Don't Watch!
 
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IPT = Big $

I agree with Bud Green who said:
I seriously doubt Johnny Archer or Earl would lose on purpose in a tournement with anywhere near this amount of money being paid out. Tight tables, slow cloth, different game, and maybe a little lack of respect for ladies who can play good seems more likely to me.

Players like Gerda, Allison, and Karen are all champions in their own right. They are all pros. All of the players in IPT are great. If any one of them is on, and having a great day, they can beat any player who is haveing an off day. Even the pros have good days and bad days. I don't think any player is gonna throw a match with big $$ at stake. These people are proud of their skills and are not gonna dump a match on national TV. I respect people of their caliber too much to think they would do that. Maybe in the back room of some pool hall where they can lose a few and then up the anti, but not on TV where u lose and u are out. They don't raise the payoff if u lose.

Charlie
 
Just would like to insert in this anti-IPT thread that there is a G/L (gains/losses) ratio ranking which will be utilized for all matches.

This G/L ratio is in force for all IPT tournaments. It can affect a player's ranking as to whether or not he/she will hold their card for the 2007 season.

Even if a player loses, they will want to win as many matches as they can because of this G/L ratio.

Each player is required to mark a scorecard for every match, detailing the G/L ratio stats. I'm not sure how it works, but it was put in place to prevent players from throwing games.

JAM
 
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JAM I do believe G/L stands for games lost.
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You may be correct, MNShooter. :p

At the KOTH in Orlando, the G/L was in force. In the round robin format, if three players tied in their bracket, then the one player who had the better G/L ratio advanced to the next level. I still don't understand how it works, but I do know that the G/L ratio can affect whether a player keeps his or her tour card in the long term.

In the short term, there is this rule in Section 19.0, "Conduct Unbecoming a Sportsperson." Under subparagraph (f), it states: "Dumping-defined as fixing the outcome of the game. Can result in instant disqualification from tournament and/or suspension or loss of Tour Card.

JAM
 
justabrake said:
the title says it all,IMO, I watch these matches and it's like the players are playing for a salary and not a prize there acting is rediculous it's not even funny, I also wonder where they got there audience from , do any of you think for one second that Gerda could beat Earl!, the whole IPT is a joke and is an insult to the people that watch this , to me it's like watching wrestling.


Steven
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Of course Gerda could beat Earl. I wouldn't stake want to her in a gambling match but in a short set there would be a line you could bet on her. As far as a player throwing a match, there was a lot of money on the line and no guarantee there would even be another tournament, no player would throw that away. I can see if a player lost, they could play it up with a little after match theatrics though.
 
justabrake said:
the title says it all,IMO, I watch these matches and it's like the players are playing for a salary and not a prize there acting is rediculous it's not even funny, I also wonder where they got there audience from , do any of you think for one second that Gerda could beat Earl!, the whole IPT is a joke and is an insult to the people that watch this , to me it's like watching wrestling.


Steven
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it looked to me that she was the better 8-ball player ....
 
justabrake said:
the title says it all,IMO, I watch these matches and it's like the players are playing for a salary and not a prize there acting is rediculous it's not even funny, I also wonder where they got there audience from , do any of you think for one second that Gerda could beat Earl!, the whole IPT is a joke and is an insult to the people that watch this , to me it's like watching wrestling.
Steven
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I disagree that the IPT is a joke and an insult to the people who watch.

IMO, the IPT has been a god-send to the game of 8-ball and to the professional players. The IPT is less than one-year old. Thanks to KT and the IPT, it's generated a tremendous amount of publicity and enthusiam for the game.
 
justabrake said:
do you know the stories where the players all dump matchs and collected big payoffs from the casinos, why aren't the casinos booking bets on pool, DAH,
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I hear a lot of stories about a lot of things, however, very few can be verified as being the truth.

In many pool matches, a good player has a bad match and an inferior player has a good match. Before you know it, someone is saying the good player dumped. Nothing can be farther from the truth.
 
justabrake said:
to me it's like watching wrestling.


Steven
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I have only seen (1) IPT Event on TV, as we do not have OLN. What I say was the 1st. event with Mike v/s Loree. I too thought so of the NON POOL, pre show was like the WWF, or old WWF.

Bit I do hope the IPT services, and maybe has a Spin off Amateur Organization that will go after Big Dollar Corporate Sponsors the other Pool organization seen to not be bring into there stable.

Corporate Sponsors like Car & Truck Manufactures, beer, & liquor, Tobacco Products, and Consumer good like those that Sponsor NASCAR. Hell we all buy the products, so they should support or sport... IMO
 
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