the King of all aiming
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I second that; I've been using it for about 2 months now and it has done wonders for my game. Screw the people that bash aiming threads. I listen to everyone and try everything then decide if it works for me or not. This has indeed worked me and I've made shots in league play that have amazed a few people. Only problem I have with it is that I scratch alot with it but am slowing figuring that out as well.
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And some people wonder where these wild claims come from and why some others get mad at the cultists.
Could you please provide some hard facts with the improved level of play..? Supporting documentation would be fantastic, but it isn't expected.
Some things are good for some people. Just don't expect to call it the holy grail and expect not to be asked for evidence. Could you run a rack before using this? Two? Have you run five in a row since? Since such high claims are being made, I'd just like to hear some of the real-world impacts of its use, from somebody that's had less of a base to start with who is looking to play more "like a pro".
I'm just some schmuck that's working his game up the hard way..
I've posted in many of the aiming threads, I started using CTE/Pro1 almost a year ago now. Thought I would add my experience here, since you are asking about more details. Actually, I'm just following champ's avatar around... 
I practiced with it 1 - 2 times per week, maybe 4 - 6 hours total, throughout contacting some of the CTE'ers here as well as Stan. Between the DVD, my practice, and getting some questions answered, I was doing the manual method comfortably in a few sessions, where I knew pretty much what shot/aim/pivot to use. Started using Pro1 probably a few weeks later and integrating the new routine into my game. Within a few months I was pretty comfortable with it and felt like I was poised to take my game to a level I hadn't reached before. Then I took a lesson, switched up a few things, equipment, etc. and embarked on a 5 month slump. But that's another story...
After a few weeks off, I started out this year with renewed focus, fixed my slump, and am now playing better than ever. I guess that's how slumps work, but frustrating nonetheless.
Improvement - for me, it helped me KNOW where to hit the ball. Not my old way, which involved useless helping english or guessing on certain shots. I just know. And that's from learning and trusting the system and the positive reinforcement of seeing the balls go in the hole. It has raised my pocketing percentage on shots, some types more than others, which raises my overall runout percentage because I miss less balls. It also had the side benefits, as mentioned elsewhere, of anchoring my PSR and approaching every shot the same way. I was already a good player, so position, route choices, etc. wasn't the issue, I would just miss balls a little more often than I would like, especially under pressure.
It may not be for everyone. For me, it's easy and it helped, and the few people I've shown it to can't believe it and want to learn it as well. Jury is still out on how it works - geometry, visual intelligence, some sort of eye/mind trick - whatever, it works. I'm a VERY analytical person, to a fault, and I can tell you 100% that with any normal shot on the table (no curves, masses, or other tricks) I can pick the correct alignment and pivot, and while looking at the cue ball pivot to center ball (so the object ball/pocket does not come into play), and when I hit center ball I'm locked in. Period. I've always been very cueball focused, I'm a look at the CB last guy, so this fit right in with my routine, and it's how I know I'm not referencing the OB during the pivot phase, and I'm a good enough player where I know when I'm tweaking or adjusting once down on the shot. Certainly I adjust sometimes, whether for english, to make sure I hit a certain part of the pocket, maybe my pivot or alignment was a little off and I sense that, but it's like 10% of the time, no more. No funky adjusting or tweaking, just locked in. I don't know how or why, but it's there. Thick, medium, thin, banks, close, far, doesn't matter. Can't explain it, wish I could, I'd write a book...
I disagree a bit with Champ. I agree with the first two phases, but I wouldn't word it that you stop using the lines. To my knowledge Stan still picks up the visuals and he's been doing this for 12 years. For me, a transition occured where I'm able to pick up the visual much more quickly, sometimes so quickly that I'm not aware of it. Maybe that's what Champ meant. But I still start with my PSR based on the CTE line, and I'm still visualizing and pivoting into the shot, it's just so quick on most normal shots that no one around me would be aware of anything unusual that I'm doing. But when I have a long shot, or thin shot, or even a critical shot, I slow down a bit, really focus in on the lines or bend down if I have to ala Stevie Moore to really see it and then pivot into the shot. Maybe eventually even those will become second nature.
So that's my 222 cents... Be happy to discuss more about my experiences or answer any questions.
Scott
I practiced with it 1 - 2 times per week, maybe 4 - 6 hours total, throughout contacting some of the CTE'ers here as well as Stan. Between the DVD, my practice, and getting some questions answered, I was doing the manual method comfortably in a few sessions, where I knew pretty much what shot/aim/pivot to use. Started using Pro1 probably a few weeks later and integrating the new routine into my game. Within a few months I was pretty comfortable with it and felt like I was poised to take my game to a level I hadn't reached before. Then I took a lesson, switched up a few things, equipment, etc. and embarked on a 5 month slump. But that's another story...
After a few weeks off, I started out this year with renewed focus, fixed my slump, and am now playing better than ever. I guess that's how slumps work, but frustrating nonetheless.
Improvement - for me, it helped me KNOW where to hit the ball. Not my old way, which involved useless helping english or guessing on certain shots. I just know. And that's from learning and trusting the system and the positive reinforcement of seeing the balls go in the hole. It has raised my pocketing percentage on shots, some types more than others, which raises my overall runout percentage because I miss less balls. It also had the side benefits, as mentioned elsewhere, of anchoring my PSR and approaching every shot the same way. I was already a good player, so position, route choices, etc. wasn't the issue, I would just miss balls a little more often than I would like, especially under pressure.
It may not be for everyone. For me, it's easy and it helped, and the few people I've shown it to can't believe it and want to learn it as well. Jury is still out on how it works - geometry, visual intelligence, some sort of eye/mind trick - whatever, it works. I'm a VERY analytical person, to a fault, and I can tell you 100% that with any normal shot on the table (no curves, masses, or other tricks) I can pick the correct alignment and pivot, and while looking at the cue ball pivot to center ball (so the object ball/pocket does not come into play), and when I hit center ball I'm locked in. Period. I've always been very cueball focused, I'm a look at the CB last guy, so this fit right in with my routine, and it's how I know I'm not referencing the OB during the pivot phase, and I'm a good enough player where I know when I'm tweaking or adjusting once down on the shot. Certainly I adjust sometimes, whether for english, to make sure I hit a certain part of the pocket, maybe my pivot or alignment was a little off and I sense that, but it's like 10% of the time, no more. No funky adjusting or tweaking, just locked in. I don't know how or why, but it's there. Thick, medium, thin, banks, close, far, doesn't matter. Can't explain it, wish I could, I'd write a book...
I disagree a bit with Champ. I agree with the first two phases, but I wouldn't word it that you stop using the lines. To my knowledge Stan still picks up the visuals and he's been doing this for 12 years. For me, a transition occured where I'm able to pick up the visual much more quickly, sometimes so quickly that I'm not aware of it. Maybe that's what Champ meant. But I still start with my PSR based on the CTE line, and I'm still visualizing and pivoting into the shot, it's just so quick on most normal shots that no one around me would be aware of anything unusual that I'm doing. But when I have a long shot, or thin shot, or even a critical shot, I slow down a bit, really focus in on the lines or bend down if I have to ala Stevie Moore to really see it and then pivot into the shot. Maybe eventually even those will become second nature.
So that's my 222 cents... Be happy to discuss more about my experiences or answer any questions.
Scott
Prior to me using it: run a rack maybe once a night (i play mainly 8 ball, bca). I could clear most balls but would always miss some cut shot to really piss me off. After using it I have gained the confidence in a short amount of time that I can hit about any ball on the table because I'm not wingin it like I did before. I can usually run a rack now and have run multiple racks 2,3,4 a few times in the last couple months. not sayin it is for everyone but for me it was definetly part of the missing link. If anything it really makes you concentrate better on the pre shot routing and getting lined up which in itself is part of the equation. Is it the holy grail; hell who knows but I'm sure if I purchased a block of kamui chalk and used CTE I would be unbeatable !! lol !
Stan's DVD is the best aiming reference on earth.
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What other systems are you referring too?
Why does your endorsement of one system make other systems lesser in use and value?
I'm really glad that you found a way that works for you. I'm a firm believer that once you find what works for you, stick with that way, no matter what.
But, to try to imply one way is better than another is pure marketing, pure ego.
Shane's system ?
I use cte and love it. I've tried to show it people, including my wife! Thats a whole other thread by itself! The older guys doesn't take to well to the manual pivot for some reason. I still have to cause i really haven't had time to work on the pro one part yet. Anyways, its helped my game by 2 or 3 balls at least!
CTE/Pro One is great
:grin-square: However Champ, Due to your avatar I am having alot of trouble staying focused .Seriously , I have been way off lately and read this about an hour ago . I started using CTE and the basics Stan taught me a few years back .By the end of the hour I am starting to dial in alot better .I have found in pool and life if you stick to the basics you don't have to keep going back to em so much .
:grin-square: However Champ, Due to your avatar I am having alot of trouble staying focused .Seriously , I have been way off lately and read this about an hour ago . I started using CTE and the basics Stan taught me a few years back .By the end of the hour I am starting to dial in alot better .I have found in pool and life if you stick to the basics you don't have to keep going back to em so much .
I know what your saying but never give up on the aim lines, you need them.