The McDermott is imported !!!!!

measureman

measureman

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I forgot that i had sent an E-mail to McD asking if the Tournement series M81B Grande was made in the USA and today after ordering last night they E-mailed back telling me it's an import !!!!!!!(i did not order from thier site) No where on thier site does it say this. I wanted to buy American made that is why i was between a Joss and a McD.I feel i was mislead. Also i E-mailed Joss awhile back and they said every cue is made by them in Maryland as it has been for 40 years.So wait and see what this cue looks like and plays or just be pissed and cancel and order the Joss ?
 
Thats a nice looking cue. I have a jos101 i use as a bar cue, and an av22. they both have a good feel. i also have a couple of customs made by local cuemakers, and i always go back to the joss. I am looking to buy a schon soon ive heard they are great, just need to save up some money first!
 
If the prices are close and you like the Joss as much buy the Joss. Be sure you let McDermott know why you canceled your order.
The job you save might be your own.

Larry
 
I E-mailed Mcd and told them i was thinking of canceling the cue.They replied asking if i bought it from one of thier dealers????? I bought it from an authorized dealer on line called Michael D's Cues over the phone and it was a very nice transaction. I'm still sitting here deciding what to do.(they close in 1 hour 20 minutes) I have seen both the Joss and the Mcd in person and both look great.
Skankhammer i had a Schon back in the mid 80s so i can not comment on the new ones but the one i had was great. If i had $500 or so to spend, it would be on my list.
The Joss is only $22 more no big deal.
 
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I just heard from Micheal J himself and he can not believe it is made in Asia. Not that he doubts it just seems surprised.(I forwarded the E-mail from Mcd to him)I asked if it was too late to cancel and he said he would call McD tommorow and get this resolved what ever that means. Can not ask anymore from an online retailer.
 
Wow!McD are made in Asia...I couldn't even imagin...thanks a lot measureman.
how long have they been making cues there?and what about others: like viking ? do they still make all the cues in US/anyone knows?
 
CANCEL IT..... BUY A JOSS, OR A VIKING. BOTH AMERICAN MADE. THE VIKING IS CUSTOMIZABLE.

Marcus

P.S. DEPENDING ON WHAT IT COST, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET A NICE BASIC CUE FROM A CUSTOM CUEMAKER
 
I got 2 cents to throw in here if you don't mind. I have a Joss and it's been my favorite production cue, plays very well and hits imo as good as a schon I used to have. ( I have also owned a Mcdermott, Viking and huebler )
That being said I have a custom cue on order from Barry Cameron which from what I hear is superior (as are most customs)to any of the production cue I mentioned above. Now I have spent more $ on production cues than what I am spending on my Cameron cue. Just something to think about. Lol btw Cameron cues are made in the good old USA!

Now as far as canceling the order, if it was me I would cancel and get the Joss ( or look into some customs). I have had them both and consider the Joss a better cue.

Chris
 
measureman said:
I just heard from Micheal J himself and he can not believe it is made in Asia. Not that he doubts it just seems surprised.(I forwarded the E-mail from Mcd to him)I asked if it was too late to cancel and he said he would call McD tommorow and get this resolved what ever that means. Can not ask anymore from an online retailer.
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Let me help you out with some information, first of all you are correct without a doubt that the cue you ordered is an import. However, apparently what you don't know is that while it is assembled else where it is inspected and finished in the USA. This is part of the Competition process McDermott uses ON SOME MODELS to keep the price of the product down and keep them competitive with all the importers of Pool and Billiard Cues. The cue has the same warranty as those McDermott's made in the USA, because the quality control ( The inspection Process and Finishing of the Blank are done by them so that they can assure Quality Control) is no different than the standards of any other McDermott cues made in the USA. The woods used for construction including the shaft wood are shipped from McDermott to the company who is building the cues, nothing is left to chance on those models which are made in this manner. Thus the cues are warranted for life to the original owner against all construction defects including warping of the Butt and the Shaft.

Please do not be confused, currently only the Lucky and Star lines of cues are made outside the USA from start to finish and imported. This translates to 90% of the cues not included above are made in McDermott's factory start to finish in the USA, with 10% being assembled else where and inspected and finished in the USA. If anyone has any question about a McDermott Cue send them an email, they will honestly answer your questions with no bull shit in the middle just like they did for the gentleman who started this thread. In that respect what more can you ask for, they are not hiding anything, and the only reason this situation occurred is because some Dealers for McDermott cues have not properly educated themselves. This is not McDermott's fault, I have been a dealer for them for 7 years, and I have been kept up to date with all the changes that have occurred during that time frame by McDermott through letters or emails. I sell hundreds of McDermott cues every year and I see very few problems with the craftsmanship, because all my customers are made aware that they should contact me if there is any problem.

In addition, I offer full cue repair that includes refinishing and cue building from my business which is a pool hall. I can honestly say with no doubt or reservation that McDermott cues are Second to None concerning their quality when compared to any US Production Cue maker.

My opinion is solely based upon the large quantity of repair work that I do in any given year.

Hope this helps clear up some things, everyone please have a nice day!!
 
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measureman said:
I just heard from Micheal J himself and he can not believe it is made in Asia. Not that he doubts it just seems surprised.(I forwarded the E-mail from Mcd to him)I asked if it was too late to cancel and he said he would call McD tommorow and get this resolved what ever that means. Can not ask anymore from an online retailer.
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Can not ask anymore from an online retailer.[/QUOTE]

Yes you can, you hope that he keeps himself up to date and knows what he is selling so that he can answer questions when asked, like McDermott did when you contacted them. This is a problem that occurs all to often in this business, people are selling products with out doing the necessary research so that they can be educated properly on what they are selling.

If he is a stand up guy he will cancel your order, that is certainly the right thing to do if you are not happy with your purchase.

Have a nice day
 
manwon said:
Let me help you out with some information, first of all you are correct without a doubt that the cue you ordered is an import. However, apparently what you don't know is that while it is assembled else where it is inspected and finished in the USA. This is part of the Competition process McDermott uses ON SOME MODELS to keep the price of the product down and keep them competitive with all the importers of Pool and Billiard Cues. The cue has the same warranty as those McDermott's made in the USA, because the quality control ( The inspection Process and Finishing of the Blank are done by them so that they can assure Quality Control) is no different than the standards of any other McDermott cues made in the USA. The woods used for construction including the shaft wood are shipped from McDermott to the importer who is building the cues, nothing is left to chance on those models which are made in this manner. Thus the cues are warranted for life to the original owner against all construction defects including warping of the Butt and the Shaft.

Please do not be confused, currently only the Lucky and Star lines of cues are made outside the USA from start to finish and imported. This translates to 90% of the cues not included above are made in McDermott's factory start to finish, with 10% being assembled else where and inspected and finished in the USA. If anyone has any question about a McDermott Cue send them an email, they will honestly answer your questions with no bull shit in the middle just like they did for the gentleman who started this thread. In that respect what more can you ask for, they are not hiding anything, and the only reason this situation occurred is because some Dealers for McDermott cues have not properly educated themselves. This is not McDermott's fault, I have been a dealer for them for 7 years, and I have been kept up to date with all the changes that have occurred during that time frame by McDermott through letters or emails. I sell hundreds of McDermott cues every year and I see very few problems with the craftsmanship, because all my customers are made aware that they should contact me if there is any problem.

In addition, I offer full cue repair that includes refinishing and cue building from my business which is a pool hall. I can honestly say with no doubt or reservation that McDermott cues are Second to None concerning their quality when compared to any US Production Cue maker.

My opinion is solely based upon the large quantity of repair work that I do in any given year.

Hope this helps clear up some things, everyone please have a nice day!!
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THAT INFORMATION IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. I THOUGHT THAT MOST OF THE McD CUES WERE AMERICAN MADE.

Marcus
 
manwon said:
Let me help you out with some information, first of all you are correct without a doubt that the cue you ordered is an import. However, apparently what you don't know is that while it is assembled else where it is inspected and finished in the USA. This is part of the Competition process McDermott uses ON SOME MODELS to keep the price of the product down and keep them competitive with all the importers of Pool and Billiard Cues. The cue has the same warranty as those McDermott's made in the USA, because the quality control ( The inspection Process and Finishing of the Blank are done by them so that they can assure Quality Control) is no different than the standards of any other McDermott cues made in the USA. The woods used for construction including the shaft wood are shipped from McDermott to the importer who is building the cues, nothing is left to chance on those models which are made in this manner. Thus the cues are warranted for life to the original owner against all construction defects including warping of the Butt and the Shaft.

Please do not be confused, currently only the Lucky and Star lines of cues are made outside the USA from start to finish and imported. This translates to 90% of the cues not included above are made in McDermott's factory start to finish, with 10% being assembled else where and inspected and finished in the USA. If anyone has any question about a McDermott Cue send them an email, they will honestly answer your questions with no bull shit in the middle just like they did for the gentleman who started this thread. In that respect what more can you ask for, they are not hiding anything, and the only reason this situation occurred is because some Dealers for McDermott cues have not properly educated themselves. This is not McDermott's fault, I have been a dealer for them for 7 years, and I have been kept up to date with all the changes that have occurred during that time frame by McDermott through letters or emails. I sell hundreds of McDermott cues every year and I see very few problems with the craftsmanship, because all my customers are made aware that they should contact me if there is any problem.

In addition, I offer full cue repair that includes refinishing and cue building from my business which is a pool hall. I can honestly say with no doubt or reservation that McDermott cues are Second to None concerning their quality when compared to any US Production Cue maker.

My opinion is solely based upon the large quantity of repair work that I do in any given year.

Hope this helps clear up some things, everyone please have a nice day!!
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I emailed them today and had a email back within and hour, I thought that was pretty fast.
 
Good info on the Mcd cues but nowhere on thier site does it say this model is made in Asia. Truth in advertising. I want a 100% made in the US cue period. If it had said that it was imported i would have chosen a differant model. By not doing so i feel that i can not trust anything they say about how they make thier cues. I just don't have that warm and fuzzy feeling about them anymore.
The online retailor refunded my money this morning and also informed me that the Joss i wanted would not be availible until July 25th. This has not been a fun experiance.And yes they were honest in the E-mail as to where it was made but it seems to me that if they were not trying to hide it they would have that fact on the site. It will be intersting to see if they change that. I suspect not.
 
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I emailed them today and had a email back within and hour, I thought that was pretty fast.
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They are very proactive with answering question from their customers, and they will provide any information that they are asked by their customers. Like I said in a previous post to this thread they are second to none in this business, in the quality of their products and the way they treat their customers.

Thanks Rusty
 
measureman said:
Good info on the Mcd cues but nowhere on thier site does it say this model is made in Asia. Truth in advertising. I want a 100% made in the US cue period. If it had said that it was imported i would have chosen a differant model. By not doing so i feel that i can not trust anything they say about how they make thier cues. I just don't have that warm and fuzzy feeling about them anymore.
The online retailor refunded my money this morning and also informed me that the Joss i wanted would not be availible until July 25th. This has not been a fun experiance.And yes they were honest in the E-mail as to where it was made but it seems to me that if they were not trying to hide it they would have that fact on the site. It will be intersting to see if they change that. I suspect not.
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I can tell you right now that they will not change a thing, and I do not think they need to. What more can anyone ask today than a product that is backed up 100% INCLUDING WARPING for the price that Model costs, like I said before there are only a small percentage made in the manner that the cue you were buying was made in.

Joss, will not give you the warranty and neither will Viking, in addition I am not certain that they do build all their cues completely in the USA, even if they do many of the materials they are using is not made in the USA. By doing things in this manner McDermott can stay competitive in a market place where 90% or more of all production cues today are made in China, Japan, Taiwan, or another Asian country from start to finish. It is very difficult to stay competitive today, unless you are using substandard materials to lower the price of your cues so you can say they are made in the USA, and why do you think these other companies do not offer a warranty.

Your opinion is your's and you are certainly welcome and entitled to it, the cue in question was not completely made in Asia, it was actually only partly assembled there. That is why they Guaranty it, unlike the cues they also sell that are made in Asia from start to finish like the Star and Lucky brands.

This thread is very similar to another thread about Custom Cue Makers who use parts or entire cues that they did not make. The Major differance between the two threads is first the Price of the cues involved, and second that they would never honestly disclose the fact to anyone, I think this all has proven that Honesty is the best policy.

Whatever you buy, I hope you find what you are looking for and that it works well for you.

Have a great day
 
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I hope my previous post didn't sound like I was knocking McDermott. That was never my intention. I have had several of their cues and most of them were well made. But as I said earlier if it was up to me, I would go with the Joss because of the way it preforms for me. I found that the Mcd's that I (with a stock shaft) was causing more deflection that the Joss's I was playing with.

I guess what it boils down to is get what your happy with. They both make good cues. You may have already been told this by someone else but it's worth saying again. I would take a long hard look at the secondary market right now. Times are hard and you can really pick up a great cue for less money. I have seen good custom cues in excellent condition sell on this forum for around $200.00, in fact more so in this last month. Whatever you decide I wish you the best of luck.

Chris
 
The fact is in todays market you are never going to get a cue made in the usa, with a warrantry, for nthe price of the mcdermotts, never gonna happen, i also heard that some joss cue's are not assembled in maryland either or all parts from the cue made in the usa either, but that was just word of mouth from someone that has been in the buisness for many years that has been a joss dealer for many years also, so you may not get a total usa manufactured cue anyways unless you buy a custom. There are alot of cue makers out there that can make you what you want, a good hitting cue for your price, it may not have all the bells and whistles, but alot of the cues in the lower price range are sticker cues anyways, i suggest get your money back and ask a few cue makers on az to send you a private message on prices they can build you a nice quality cue for what you have to spend, there are some good guys on here. See what they say to you . Hope you get what you are looking for !! <<<<<<<<< ed
 
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