The Method Telling The Shot Line?

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The_JV said:
lol... exactly. I was baiting that line of thought. Good for the goose... Pot calling kettle...

How can one individual claim to have a handle on my game better than I do by mere observation, but refuse the same claim made against their game. 🤷‍♂️
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You're gearing and pivoting without even knowing it.
Basically , you're an undiagnosed CTE'r .
You need to see a specialist .
Low, who is an admitted choker and no-shower to his challenge matches , knows that .
 
Imac007 said:
Dr. Dave’s gearing english works, if all you are interested in is pocketing the ball.
However, deflection can be a factor unless precise pace allows for the squirve effect to be cancelled, bringing the ball into the ghost ball impact zone with just the right amount of turn to walk along the surface.

Convergent inside english attaches to any ghost ball method like parallel aiming.
Its premise, like gearing english, is to make a single adjustment to the aim line to eliminate the complicating effect of throw.
Because there is negligible defection; pace, swerve and distance are not factors.

A straight stroke is needed regardless of method for consistent calibration.
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Gearing, deflection and throw - using how much English for a given cut angle and position for the next shot?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Book seller pretending to be someone else is

You're gearing and pivoting without even knowing it.
Basically , you're an undiagnosed CTE'r .
You need to see a specialist .
Low, who is an admitted choker and no-shower to his challenge matches , knows that .
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BULL KAKA
 
Imac007 said:
Convergent inside english attaches to any ghost ball method like parallel aiming.
Its premise, like gearing english, is to make a single adjustment to the aim line to eliminate the complicating effect of throw.
Because there is negligible defection; pace, swerve and distance are not factors.
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I'm sure you've explained this before (sorry for missing it)... what's convergent english again?

pj
chgo
 
Low500 said:
Yes, I do know what you're doing in your game better than you do yourself. Because I understand sweeping and gearing and you do not.
And you are NOT using any ghost ball that you cannot see.(*although I'm sure you will swear to the world that is what you're doing...…...even though an invisible ball does not exist )
You sure do play good. I'll get there too in due time.
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You're awesome... (y)
 
LAMas said:
Gearing, deflection and throw - using how much English for a given cut angle and position for the next shot?
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I’ve recently stopped thinking about shots in terms of cue line.
I now give more importance to cue ball path than cue line.
There are multiple cue lines that result in the same relative ball path/impact zone.
Once you see the ball path and then relate it to positional needs, a cue line can be chosen that satisfies both.
I’m focused more on the front of the ball impact point.
You don’t need to know object ball contact point if you know the needed cue ball impact point.
Only one object ball point can be contacted by that cue ball point.
The ball path that allows the cue ball impact point to actually contact the object ball has a parallel relationship to the object ball travel direction.
The front of the ball is right under your nose and controlling what part of it makes contact with surfaces is the essence of play.
Cue line and ball path are the same with center ball cueing.
That said, so many shots need much different cue lines to create effects, but the relative ball path remains the same, and center ball comes with modulating cut induced throw issues, complicating it’s assumed main benefit.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I'm sure you've explained this before (sorry for missing it)... what's convergent english again?

pj
chgo
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Normal application of english involves either flairing away from the center ball line or shifting off the line.
They both diverge from that reference line.
Convergent english starts with both the bridge and grip off the same line but the cue line points back towards the center ball line converging with it, and crossing it, between the balls.
The version of convergence, that can be used, like gearing english, to negate the effects of throw, follows the following process.

Find the center ball line to the undercut side of the pocket.
The convergent point is the midpoint between the balls on that line.
The cue line starts to the inside passing the cue ball core by about an eighth of a tip and converging at that midpoint.
Negligible deflection and throw limited to 1° or less, regardless of speed or distance.
 
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Low500 said:
here is somewhat of an exception to that statement when using the Bustamante approach...(which is quite obvious when watching him). It nevertheless takes him right to a No Imagination Shot Line....even in spite of himself.
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Bustamante has a most natural and beautiful stroke. I'm legitimately curious, was there a CTE instructor in the Philippines at some point? Eferen has a very natural and beautiful stroke also. Is the legendary Filipino stroke a result of CTE or is something else going on?

The "no imagination shot line" can be arrived at "in spite of yourself." So what you're saying is that the "no imagination shot line" isn't an invention of CTE, but can be arrived at through any method with practice. When I aim while standing (non CTE) and come down into position properly my shot line requires no imagination. It requires me to have spacial awareness and being able to keep a shot picture in my short term visual memory.

Claiming a "no imagination shot line" is the realm of only CTE is pretty silly, unless you're talking about it in a marketing term. Every shot I take is "no imagination." Taking a component of good pool playing and laying claim to it with marketing jargon doesn't mean every good player uses CTE, it means they are playing pool correctly and aligning based on what they saw while standing at the table.
 
boogieman said:
Bustamante has a most natural and beautiful stroke. I'm legitimately curious, was there a CTE instructor in the Philippines at some point? Eferen has a very natural and beautiful stroke also. Is the legendary Filipino stroke a result of CTE or is something else going on?

The "no imagination shot line" can be arrived at "in spite of yourself." So what you're saying is that the "no imagination shot line" isn't an invention of CTE, but can be arrived at through any method with practice. When I aim while standing (non CTE) and come down into position properly my shot line requires no imagination. It requires me to have spacial awareness and being able to keep a shot picture in my short term visual memory.

Claiming a "no imagination shot line" is the realm of only CTE is pretty silly, unless you're talking about it in a marketing term. Every shot I take is "no imagination." Taking a component of good pool playing and laying claim to it with marketing jargon doesn't mean every good player uses CTE, it means they are playing pool correctly and aligning based on what they saw while standing at the table.
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According to the Houligans, Busti, Parica and Efren went to an aiming guru in PA. LOL
 
Shot line helps aiming.

A post from 2014:

Many years ago now, I was fascinated with the utility of the pivot as I read what Hal (RIP) proffered. I didn't find it as simple as DD, contact to contact or eclipse aiming that I was then and am now using, but I can visualize the contact point on the OB and use that ability with these non pivot systems.

I can also see the included angle created by the line passing through the OB to the pocket/target and the line from the CB to where I imagine the GB should be. If that angle is near 30 degrees, I aim the center of the CB at the relevant edge of the OB and adjust for CIT.

On thin cuts greater than 30 degrees, I cannot use the equator of the OB for a spot to aim at for I would be aiming at an imaginary spot or line on the cloth. For these thin cuts, I was hoping that pivoting away from the edge of the OB would be another way to aim to augment the methods above that I use.

At the table, I realized that a constant 1/2 tip offset and pivot that works when the CB and OB are 12" apart doesn't work when the separation is 24" or 36" etc.

In another thread, it was hoped that someone could prove that CTE could be proven by geometry or algebra or math and I conclude that it can, but the variables are legion...where to place the bridge behind the CB to get effect the same included angle accomplished at 12" for the other separations. It can be done but it would take many diagrams and who would use them?
 
JoeyInCali said:
mmm, SPAM
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Funny story.... 30+ years ago when I was around 21, the rock band I played in spent 2 weeks at Myrtle beach, basically just jamming and partying every night. Our drummer had a "Spam does the body good!" T-shirt on most of the time, lol. It had a can of spam on the front, and the "does the body good" on the back. That shirt was a rediculous magnet for the ladies, so much that the rest of us spent the next few weeks trying to find a "spam" shirt!!
 
Imac007 said:
Normal application of english involves either flairing away from the center ball line or shifting off the line.
They both diverge from that reference line.
Convergent english starts with both the bridge and grip off the same line but the cue line points back towards the center ball line converging with it, and crossing it, between the balls.
The version of convergence, that can be used, like gearing english, to negate the effects of throw, follows the following process.

Find the center ball line to the undercut side of the pocket.
The convergent point is the midpoint between the balls on that line.
The cue line starts to the inside passing the cue ball core by about an eighth of a tip and converging at that midpoint.
Negligible deflection and throw limited to 1° or less, regardless of speed or distance.
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Thanks - that's what I thought.

pj
chgo
 
BC21 said:
Funny story.... 30+ years ago when I was around 21, the rock band I played in spent 2 weeks at Myrtle beach, basically just jamming and partying every night. Our drummer had a "Spam does the body good!" T-shirt on most of the time, lol. It had a can of spam on the front, and the "does the body good" on the back. That shirt was a rediculous magnet for the ladies, so much that the rest of us spent the next few weeks trying to find a "spam" shirt!!
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It's not the shirt, it's the MacDaddy.

pj
chgo
 
JoeyInCali said:
If the contact point is 1/4" of an inch from the vertical axis center of the OB, the shot line is 1/4" from the contact point ( same side ) . Double the distance method.
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I like that description.
If one knows where to contact the OB to send it to the target or center pocket, then the "shot line" is the path that the CB takes to contact that point on the OB with the same point on the CB or CPTCP.

DD or Double the Distance from the center of the OB to the contact point to the outside and that is the "shot line".

To cut the OB to the left, send the CB to the right side of the OB with DD or visa versa for the left.
If you can see the GB, to cut the OB to the right say at 90 degrees (thin) aim the CB on the "shot line" that is 1/2 the diameter of the OB outside from the left edge of the OB. This is based on the perceived diameter of the OB that gets smaller the farther away from ones eye/s it is.
 
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LAMas said:
I like that description.
If one knows where to contact the OB to send it to the target or center pocket, then the "shot line" is the path that the CB takes to contact that point on the OB with the same point on the CB or CPTCP.
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I believe Don Feeney invented it .
 
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