That's funny!!!
The More We Tell The Less We Will Sell
- Thread starter Toughcues
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It's probably less builders, but more repairmen. But you could be right.
aren't you the guy who said the best wood for cues comes from trees that fall in the woods when no one is around - because there is no sound produced when a tree falls if no one is around - resulting in better harmonics and rounder shafts?Toughcues said:
it seems like what you are saying in this post directly contradicts your previously stated theories
I have built several hundred cues with the information you passed on so freely in the past - now I guess they are worthless
So now you are saying we should build the sport ? do you consider pool a sport?
is this some kind of field of dreams?
I am so confused I'm thinking of quitting the cue building business - if anybody is interested I'm building custom violins from now on and its this guys fault - all of you so called players that r on my waiting list - u might as well go to any 1 of the other cue builders that r sitting around with nothing to do - cause i'm out
Toughcues said:
Well, I am not a cue builder. Anyway, I consider this statement to be totally wrong.
Of course, a wrong glue will produce a worse cue, resulting in damage a few years in the future, resulting in badmouthing of the maker. However, what really makes a good cuemaker is not the ability to use the right glue.
To build a good cue will require a lot of craftsmanship, and the ability to do it mechanically right. If a cuebuilder tries to sell a cue with gluelines because he was not able to do the inlays perfectly, it does not matter to the customer if he tells that those gluelines are filled with the perfectly right epoxy. The customer will simply demand a cue without any gluelines...
The "right hit" is also something each cuemaker needs to find out for himself, you can't learn this from a forum. Ask four of the people over here and you will get at least five opinions. So what's the secret of the craft in this?
There are so many things you can't learn from books or a forum, and without them you will not be able to survive in the business.
The knowledge in this forum is more a kind of friendly competition.
Furthermore, you seem to miss the fundamental difference of a road player and a cue builder: While a cue builder survives on his perceived knowledge, the road player survives on his apparent lack of knowledge.
Have a good one,
Detlev
Lmao !
If this newbie "cue builder" has math skills anywhere on par with his grammar skills, we have a new up and coming master amongst us. I vote he should be inducted into the Hall of Fame next week!
Now that you is a master..... PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT SHARE ANY OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BUY YOUR CUES. IF YOU DO, YOUR CUE SALES WILL TANK! We need you selling your masterpieces.
Let me sees.... Does that tape rule mark mean 58 -4/16 inches or is it 58-1/4 ? I forgit!
Dakota Cues said:
If this newbie "cue builder" has math skills anywhere on par with his grammar skills, we have a new up and coming master amongst us. I vote he should be inducted into the Hall of Fame next week!
Now that you is a master..... PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT SHARE ANY OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BUY YOUR CUES. IF YOU DO, YOUR CUE SALES WILL TANK! We need you selling your masterpieces.
Let me sees.... Does that tape rule mark mean 58 -4/16 inches or is it 58-1/4 ? I forgit!
The problem with custom cues is like houses sooner or later prices are going to drop. Agree saturated market thats a fact!! 2nd thing that hurts the very top cuemakers is the fact they turn out so many cues that are the same or simular. Change wood move this here so on. A certificate of authenticity for a 1 of a kind cue from any cuemaker is top $ value. 3rd To many man made materials too substitute ivory. Are you really getting ivory in that ring work? Maybe just the inlay work is real ivory! Get my drift. Some of this stuff is to keen for the eye to tell a difference! The suppliers that sell the materials knows what is going on with what cuemaker is using for what & i have found that out my self surprised as who is using what and getting alot of money for work that is not all real materials. I have been a custom cue freak for many years. My list of cuemakers whos cues are true to craftsmanship, playbility & ohnesty of passion on building is very slim. My hat is taken off for the few!! 
WOW - I am glad that most of the "good ol' boys" of cuemaking didn't think this way. Can you imagine what if.....Stroud hadn't taken those few guys under his wing over the years? Or, Burton Spain had kept his blanks all to himself? When we hoard information and innovation, that's when we risk our future. The path was paved by those who came before us....follow it.
It is rumored that Stroud got one million dollars from Euro West cues to teach them!!!
A lot of guys are funny, they will spend thousands of dollars to save the $10. cost of getting a new tip. Go figure.
cue making is something Ive wanted to do for a long time. I dont because the machinery is expensive, the market is small, and I know nothing about making a cue. for me Id rather take my design to a cue maker and let them deal with it!...lol
I do like to browse the cue makers section, maybe talk about new design and stuff, but as far as making a cue, Ill leave that to the cuesmiths.
I want this, like that, the balance should be, now hence forth and make thee a MAGIC WAND! lol...
SPINDOKTOR
I do like to browse the cue makers section, maybe talk about new design and stuff, but as far as making a cue, Ill leave that to the cuesmiths.
I want this, like that, the balance should be, now hence forth and make thee a MAGIC WAND! lol...
SPINDOKTOR
Master of None
Paul Allers Cues
Wow
I think I've run into this guy before:
Thread Originator: The More We Tell The Less We Will Sell
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Hit & Run Cues, Ltd:
No, No, No, Not you SPIN... , Sorry
I think I've run into this guy before:
Thread Originator: The More We Tell The Less We Will Sell
or
Hit & Run Cues, Ltd:
No, No, No, Not you SPIN... , Sorry
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Who me? I have talked to several cue makers that visit this site, I have bought From: Dave Albrecht, and BHQ helped me out once, Now I have a cue maker Fixing a Lucasi, I cant buy from every cue maker, wish I could but I try my best to support those who help me...
If I have talked to you about a custom and did not buy I applogize, I gave up on the idea of cuemaking myself because there are so many gifted, that Id rather trust them to build a cue rather than Buy all the nessasary tools and then try to build something Id like..
When Im in the Market I try to touch bases with all those whom I am interested in, and I do plan on future purchases with some whom I have spoke to, one of whitch is a very nice guy I talked to when I purchased the Albrecht, I went with Albrecht, for personal reasons but this other guy will get my business, I wont mention any names but Im sure he remembers..
another cue maker offered me a cue before christmas, and held the cue for me, untill recently, Very nice guy, not many people would have done that, when he ask me about it, as soon as I could I sent him payment, I respect you guy's, and sooner or later when the timing is right, those whom I have contacted I will be buying from, mainly just to support you..
Id also like to thank Chuck Starkey, for letting me test drive one of his cues, another nice guy..
If I have offended any cue makers I appologize, and If I have talked to you about a cue, just be hang in there, I'll get to you..
I always try to offer a unbiassed review when I recieve a new cue, I have for Chuck, and for Dave, Both of whitch have great cues, If I didnt like your cue, and I may have said well Im not crazy about it, Im sorry, I know there is alot of time and effort envolved in making a cue, the end result however is subject to review...
If you werent talking about me then well, I was getting to this sooner or later anyhow, because I have contacted several cue makers, and I do what I can...
SPINDOKTOR
If I have talked to you about a custom and did not buy I applogize, I gave up on the idea of cuemaking myself because there are so many gifted, that Id rather trust them to build a cue rather than Buy all the nessasary tools and then try to build something Id like..
When Im in the Market I try to touch bases with all those whom I am interested in, and I do plan on future purchases with some whom I have spoke to, one of whitch is a very nice guy I talked to when I purchased the Albrecht, I went with Albrecht, for personal reasons but this other guy will get my business, I wont mention any names but Im sure he remembers..
another cue maker offered me a cue before christmas, and held the cue for me, untill recently, Very nice guy, not many people would have done that, when he ask me about it, as soon as I could I sent him payment, I respect you guy's, and sooner or later when the timing is right, those whom I have contacted I will be buying from, mainly just to support you..
Id also like to thank Chuck Starkey, for letting me test drive one of his cues, another nice guy..
If I have offended any cue makers I appologize, and If I have talked to you about a cue, just be hang in there, I'll get to you..
I always try to offer a unbiassed review when I recieve a new cue, I have for Chuck, and for Dave, Both of whitch have great cues, If I didnt like your cue, and I may have said well Im not crazy about it, Im sorry, I know there is alot of time and effort envolved in making a cue, the end result however is subject to review...
If you werent talking about me then well, I was getting to this sooner or later anyhow, because I have contacted several cue makers, and I do what I can...
SPINDOKTOR
Master of None said:I think I've run into this guy before
Hit & Run Cues, Ltd:
I figured a few more cuemakers would weigh in on this one.
Toughcues said:
Wow, you found me out. I read what kind of glue the major cue makers were using so I ran out and bought a lathe and whatever tools that are needed to build my own cues. I should be beating Thomas Wayne at the cue shows later this year.
MULLY
all because someone told me what kind of glue they use
cue builders
I have personally worked with a pretty good cue builder and through all the things he has shown me I feel that it doesn't matter how much you know but how much you feel it when you are building. I play with a cue that he wanted to burn when he built it but I wanted it so he gave it to me. It is the best hitting cue I have ever picked up after about another 30 hours of work lol. A wise man once told me, "you can show em' everything but you can't teach em' how to think." And to all the masters out there your art is still appreciated for what it is, AN ART.
I have personally worked with a pretty good cue builder and through all the things he has shown me I feel that it doesn't matter how much you know but how much you feel it when you are building. I play with a cue that he wanted to burn when he built it but I wanted it so he gave it to me. It is the best hitting cue I have ever picked up after about another 30 hours of work lol. A wise man once told me, "you can show em' everything but you can't teach em' how to think." And to all the masters out there your art is still appreciated for what it is, AN ART.
Good point.