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Your sarcastic satire is priceless...........................and dead on the money.
Well done.
The Mosconi slipstroke
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Well done.
I heard Mosconi got tired and quit reading after page 526.
I have good Mosconi footage and a lot of it.
After a while you start to notice that Willie had somewhat fidgety hands.
His hands had a mind of their own and were almost constantly making minute adjustments to his grip at any given time. Not large adjustments but small subtle ones, which obviously included slipping the cue slightly forward or back in his hand depending on the shot.
Greenleaf did something similar except that it was more like a baseball batter winding up for a hit....sometimes the butt of his cue would literally be swinging in circles just prior to his stroke, and rarely did he ever choke up on the stick.
I have never looked at the films with the thought or inclination of proving or disproving that Mosconi used a slip stroke, but when I have time, I probably will look into it now just because I'm a little curious about what I'm seeing and reading.
After a while you start to notice that Willie had somewhat fidgety hands.
His hands had a mind of their own and were almost constantly making minute adjustments to his grip at any given time. Not large adjustments but small subtle ones, which obviously included slipping the cue slightly forward or back in his hand depending on the shot.
Greenleaf did something similar except that it was more like a baseball batter winding up for a hit....sometimes the butt of his cue would literally be swinging in circles just prior to his stroke, and rarely did he ever choke up on the stick.
I have never looked at the films with the thought or inclination of proving or disproving that Mosconi used a slip stroke, but when I have time, I probably will look into it now just because I'm a little curious about what I'm seeing and reading.
I heard that the type was huge and the pages were small, so it's similar to a modern 98 page book.
Sure, that's why there's endless footage of him that contradicts what many eye witnesses saw. I mean, there's footage of dozens and dozens of shots of him using a slip stroke right?
Lou Figueroa
Sure. Moving his grip back a bit, not even to the end of the wrap, is a huuuuge slip stroke, lol.
Lou Figueroa
I have seen much of the available footage of Mosconi, going back to when he was a much younger man and his hair was black (he turned prematurely grey). And I think that if you go back and watch, what you'll see are two things: by-and-large, Mosconi shot with an extremely short grip, right at the front end of it. It's something many champions of that era did. And the other thing you will see -- in all that footage -- is Mosconi using something that might be a slip stroke on maybe one or two shots, perhaps when shooting something like the railroad trick shot. Maybe my recollection on this is a bit off, but I think that's it.
Lou Figueroa
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Indeed! Black hair, elbow, and all:
(Yes that's WM, see the rest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvH4lEeBtho )
Bill Stroud is the second person I know who swears Willie used a slip stroke.
The other is HIS FORMER ROAD SPARRING PARTNER, Wayne Norcross.
I have no idea why it is so important to some to deny he didn't.
The other is HIS FORMER ROAD SPARRING PARTNER, Wayne Norcross.
I have no idea why it is so important to some to deny he didn't.
Yea when Bill Stroud and John Brumback say he used a slip stroke you gotta wonder why some other posters want to disagree. Maybe they just wanna stir the pot. I sure see a slip stroke, as far as I am concerned Willy could do whatever he wanted with a cue and still win.
Indeed! Black hair, elbow, and all:
(Yes that's WM, see the rest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvH4lEeBtho )
Yes!
All the brain cells are not dead
Lou Figueroa
yet
No disrespect, but Stroud also swore he would build you "the cue of your dreams."
Lou Figueroa
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Once again, no disrespect, but John also said he said he bent banks by a lot. But, on an honest proposition by Dr. Dave, could not get the cash.
Lou Figueroa
OMG stop misrepresenting facts, now, while you are behind! Dr. Dave made a video on how it was impossible to bend a bank, a comment on a video from the Beard! Brumback took him and the rest of us back to school when he demonstrated that certain banks DO bend. Then the Dr. cooked up a challenge that was supposed to show that banks don't bend to a significant degree. Of course nobody ever claimed that banks bend as much as the challenge would need. The whole thing was a gigantic strawman. Also the setup was so intricate that you would have to spend forever to comply with the requirements and even then it might have been rejected. Cleary's video showed just how ludicrous the challenge actually was, as a mini massê was actually needed to do it.
As far as I'm concerned the good Dr. was the one who's credibility took a hit. Certainly not John Brumback, who mostly stayed out of the inevitable bickering. All he did was to show a video of a bending bank and somehow he's not to be trusted!?
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Having talked to many here, opinions vary.
And the only thing Cleary's video showed, lol, was that you need to have, not a masse shot, but just some video editing skills ;-)
Lou Figueroa
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At least he knows what a slipstroke looks like. But I'm not a fan of the way he f..ed the forum over and got away with it.
Wow! I've been a lurker here for many years and just recently started posting. This thread is one of the most unbelievable things I have ever read! I mean the deniers are so convinced it has me second guessing what I've seen... then I just watch the videos again.
What is this vested interest in denying that Mosconi had a slip stroke? I don't get it.
What is this vested interest in denying that Mosconi had a slip stroke? I don't get it.
Some people cannot admit that they are wrong. They'll do anything, including tarnishing the reputation of great players and contributers in order to save their own fragile egos. Believe it or not, but if you stick to your story long enough and with great conviction, you can actually convert people to your viewpoint, no matter how propsterous it may be, even when direct video evidence exists to disprove the opinion they are holding. I bet, right now, there are at least a dozen Az'ers who are questioning their eyes...I'm sure at least one poster could educate us on the mechanisms at work here...
Here is a good place to start if you're interested in this sort of thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_influence
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I'm wondering since if he had a coach if they would have pointed out his elbow drop and slip stroke , My first book was written by him I've watched him on tape games giving lessons not once does he talk about a slip stroke nor do I see him using in his early matches , but camera work is not so good ,,
Never saw a slip in the middle of the handle till I saw it here most Iv seen are from the back of the wrap slipping to the butt ,,
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Never saw a slip in the middle of the handle till I saw it here most Iv seen are from the back of the wrap slipping to the butt ,,
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