The Real Reason For New "master's Dates

[macguy]

Interesting observation. Is being a visionary the same as being a liar? I've asked myself this question many, many times in the last 20 years and haven't really come up with a good answer.

If you create a vision for a wanted future, then what? Is that enough by itself? Or do you have to start/keep selling the vision to others, who may not hold it yet? And how do you "predict" the future without sometimes being wrong and therefore being labeled a "liar" or mentally unfit? Do you just predict the obvious? Well that'll get you nowhere fast, even if others now see you as not crazy.

If you set a vision that seems impossible and try to get others to buy into it, what do you say to them? I think you must paint the picture that's in your mind, no matter how far-fetched it MAY seem to SOME and knowing it is not yet real. What other way is there to manifest a vision so big?

It's December and I'm working on my calendar for 2006...am I lying to myself as I'm making plans for 2006? I know for a fact that all I plan will NOT come true. Or am I hoping, for lack of a better term, to acheive these plans and I'm simply using projection to help me create the tasks and thoughts to do them? If I affirm something as true in my mind that isn't YET true in the physical world, am I a liar? Or just a unrealistic dreamer? Or, am I being wise and noble and HONEST by involving myself in a workable process to improve the lives of others and myself?

Comments appreciated,

Jeff Livingston

I will answer you this way and this is from personal as well as from others I have observed experiences. Everything in life is risk and reward from business to relationships. Often the risk even if it is a long shot and fails does not have life changing consequences but the reward may. You can fail many times but you only need to succeed once and you may be set for life. I hope it turns out to be everything you hope for.

 

[ironman]

I'll let my cue do the talking regarding my chances, but on the 2nd question, yes I would have put up a grand for a chance like this. I flew to Tokyo for the 800k event in 2001, which cost over 2k in expenses and I'd hardly played 9-ball before that and didn't even own a US style pool cue when I entered.

Just curious, how did you do in Tokyo?

 

[Gabber]

I'll let my cue do the talking regarding my chances, but on the 2nd question, yes I would have put up a grand for a chance like this. I flew to Tokyo for the 800k event in 2001, which cost over 2k in expenses and I'd hardly played 9-ball before that and didn't even own a US style pool cue when I entered.

Colin,what is the last tourny that you won?
Can you win your local house tourny on a regular basis?
If you think you are so good, why havent I seen you at the US 9ball champs?
Gabber

 

[macguy]

Colin,what is the last tourny that you won?
Can you win your local house tourny on a regular basis?
If you think you are so good, why havent I seen you at the US 9ball champs?
Gabber

Colin, don't get sucked into this, ignore it. You don't owe him, me or anyone else any explanation for what you do or how you live your life.

 

[Billy H.]

Colin,what is the last tourny that you won?
Can you win your local house tourny on a regular basis?
If you think you are so good, why havent I seen you at the US 9ball champs?
Gabber

if the guy can't make a ball, who cares? do you win your local house tourney on a regular basis? and have you played in the US 9ball champs? the guy does more for pool with just his posts here in azb than you will ever dream of. you are always so quick to criticize others for their good fortune or what they believe in. what's your story gabber? i don't even know colin or how well he does or doesn't play but he got picked to play in the i.p.t., did you? did you apply and get turned down, and now everyone that did get selected must prove their worth to you old mighty one? i know, if you haven't heard of them, they can't play, right? you need to grow up gabber, post your proof of how well you play, maybe we can all get a laugh out of that. btw, i don't play at all, so no challenges directed my way to play. but i can find someone to play for me! my name is billy h. and the h. stands for hack.

 

[DaveK]

On 1. the ratings comparison figure mentioned was just for the Best Damn Sports Show airing, which I believe provides the most reliable indication and largest audience. It's a reliable benchmark.

On 2. There are a couple of possibilities I can think of that are reasonable causes for the delay. These are that negotiations are probably in place to assertain high exposure broadcasting agreements and these need to be completed in order to obtain some level of sponsorship from a venue.

Just my guess.

Yes, that makes sense about the ratings.

Regarding the changes, I did not get the impression that the IPT was going to be in any way reliant on sponsorship from a venue. It seems realistic to me, but I though that KT was paying for this for a few years, so this explanation is a bit contradictory.

I think that only KT and his staff know what's going on. Any interpretation of his messages are just that, interpretations (or 'spin' in other words).

DAve

 

[Blackjack]

Something KT mentioned which you did not hear much of in that address was that people in the TV business pay a lot of attention to the relative ratings, not the absolute ratings.

That is, a program that boosts any particular time slot by a significant proportion is seen as a big success and becomes targeted for larger broadcasting channels.

Colin,
You are incorrect. Its a success if he's selling that time slot to other advertisers. That might sound like something great to say for the rah rah crowd, but when "selling" TV ad time, it doesn't hold any water whatsoever. You claim to be a marketing professional as I am, and this statement causes me to question your education. The deal with NaturalCures is that they have agreed to purchase all the tv ad time regardless of the ratings. When you are able to do that (because he's super-rich - don't ever forget that ) I guess you can create your own reality and sell that to others that are ignorant to the rules of REALITY. If he had any confidence at all in this product he would open the market up and allow other advertisers to sponsor this event and purchase tv ad time. Until he does that, I will view this as a self promotional venture that will swirl the drain in due time. All he is doing with the TV ratings and his hype is creating his own "bubble" of reality. The fact is that the people didn't show up in droves in Orlando. Hopefuly he is taking measures to better advertise and market future events to increase attendence. He can manipulate the numbers all he wants, and he can give away money all he wants. Succes won't be measured by that. Success will be measured by whether or not this changes the game of pool (not player's bank accounts) for the better.

 

[icon]

I will view this as a self promotional venture that will swirl the drain in due time

mr sunshine is back!
i dont think anybody is unaware of your feelings on the subject.
i'm sure you are helping pool out a lot by continually making your posts.
you seem a lot more ignorant of reality than the promoters of the ipt!

 

[pillage6]

"It will swirl in the drain in due time"

So what lasts forever? Everything has a lifespan, even or especially successful ventures.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Colin, don't get sucked into this, ignore it. You don't owe him, me or anyone else any explanation for what you do or how you live your life.

Macguy,
I'll take your advice for once
I don't want to side track this thread and make it about me. In fact, I'd rather keep discussions about myself private. Gabba, Ironman or others, you're welcome to PM or email me.
Cheers,
Colin

 

[straybullet]

my name is billy h. and the h. stands for hack.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Colin,
You are incorrect. Its a success if he's selling that time slot to other advertisers. That might sound like something great to say for the rah rah crowd, but when "selling" TV ad time, it doesn't hold any water whatsoever. You claim to be a marketing professional as I am, and this statement causes me to question your education. The deal with NaturalCures is that they have agreed to purchase all the tv ad time regardless of the ratings. When you are able to do that (because he's super-rich - don't ever forget that ) I guess you can create your own reality and sell that to others that are ignorant to the rules of REALITY. If he had any confidence at all in this product he would open the market up and allow other advertisers to sponsor this event and purchase tv ad time. Until he does that, I will view this as a self promotional venture that will swirl the drain in due time. All he is doing with the TV ratings and his hype is creating his own "bubble" of reality. The fact is that the people didn't show up in droves in Orlando. Hopefuly he is taking measures to better advertise and market future events to increase attendence. He can manipulate the numbers all he wants, and he can give away money all he wants. Succes won't be measured by that. Success will be measured by whether or not this changes the game of pool (not player's bank accounts) for the better.

Blackjack,
There were other advertisers during the Best Damn Sport Show broadcast.

I do not claim to be an expert in media buying and selling, I would simply say I have a reasonable understanding of sports marketing, but I'm sure the long term goal of the IPT content is to attract advertisers in their timeslots, and to do this the content must pull ratings.

Until this is achieved, KT is willing to pay to broadcast if he has to.

I'm not sure what exact point you are claiming I am incorrect about. y main point is that I believe they are or have been securing / negotiating for broadcasting deals and using their recent success as leverage to get attractive deals with the best exposure possible. My opinion only of course, and a generalized one, but you didn't seem to address this.

 

[Razor_Blade]

The fact is that the people didn't show up in droves in Orlando.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but didn't they sell out in Orlando.

 

[ironman]

Macguy,
I'll take your advice for once
I don't want to side track this thread and make it about me. In fact, I'd rather keep discussions about myself private. Gabba, Ironman or others, you're welcome to PM or email me.
Cheers,
Colin

If my question came across as being sarcastic, My apologies, it was not my intent.

 

[Colin Colenso]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but didn't they sell out in Orlando.

Yes, and their main goal wasn't to pack the stands. I'm sure they could have if that's what they wanted to do. A small proportion of the budget spent on promoting attendance sales could have attracted a large crowd.

But the stated goal was to make sure all attedees could get premium seating. They were much more concerned about the TV production aspect than drawing a large crowd.

In the future I believe some large venues and crowds are planned for. I can't wait to see a final played before a crowd of several thousand. That would be a buzz!

 

[Colin Colenso]

If my question came across as being sarcastic, My apologies, it was not my intent.

No problem, your's didn't come across that way. Thanks for the PM.

 

[ShootingArts]

Well yeah but . . .

I don't have a dog in this fight, but didn't they sell out in Orlando.

They sold the tickets and then set up the seating. I can sell out every event I have with that arrangement even if it is just two dogs copulating!

They also jammed the spectators together far more than necessary for any reason other than to give the visual effect of packed stands when the camera turned that way. Definitely made things uncomfortable for the people who journeyed to Orlando to watch from what I saw on TV.

Regardless of rather the IPT works or not, KT is a confidence man and will always be running a con on somebody. All we can hope for as pool players is that we are the window dressing and not the ones getting conned. Who has seen independent stat's showing the blockbuster success of the IPT showing? Pool players that were internet savvy turned it on out of curiosity, nobody else knew about it except a little word of mouth. I still talk to pool hall owners and regulars that haven't heard of the IPT or the $200,000 to win event in Orlando.

The hundreds of showings are more hype. Yes, there are many showings in local markets. The schedule on my dish program showed it was coming back on a few nights ago locally. The program name was Eight Ball Championship. The summary simply said "Shopping" with no other information. That'll draw the pool and sports fans!

I also found it curious that it didn't actually broadcast in the time slot. Is the tape actually airing according to the schedule posted on the IPT site?

Hu

 

[Billy H.]

not sure what your intent with your post was but yes, i am a hack. i can shoot 180 in golf and pool, that makes me a hack. lets address the people that keep coming up with these new ideas about why the ipt won't work. you people make me sick! i'm puking as i type this because you guys are so ridiculous with your posts. if you had any idea of what you are trying to convince others of then you should do it yourselves. put your own money up. quit the damn crying. blackjack, gabber, why don't you guys figure something out for the players to do with their skills? you two seem to have it all figured out but where were you 6 months ago when this started? right here in the forum talking about something needs to be done about the image of the game and the money that the players are playing for. what the hell have you 2 done? besides bash others for making money, getting selected, not paying the dues to the wpaupabcanaacpuclauscnflmlbnba and all other bs that you can come up with. sit there in your chair behind your monitor and crash all the parties you can, this ipt don't need either of you. will you 2 be happy if it all folds tomorrow? so nobody makes a dime? then you'll be right, yeeeeeee-****in-ha. sick sick sick. how many phone calls have you received blackjack regarding your grand scheme of things? nothing, nada, zilch, wake up dude, you're in la la land. nobody cares what you say. you either gabber. you guys have nothing to offer the game, give up, pitch a tent, get your army together and come up with something good. losers! my name is billy h. and the h. stands for hung so low that the 2 of you would drool.

 

[jjinfla]

They sold the tickets and then set up the seating. I can sell out every event I have with that arrangement even if it is just two dogs copulating!

They also jammed the spectators together far more than necessary for any reason other than to give the visual effect of packed stands when the camera turned that way. Definitely made things uncomfortable for the people who journeyed to Orlando to watch from what I saw on TV...

Hu

I was there and I was pleasantly surprised at the seating. The VIP seats were excellent as were the General Admission seats. I sure didn't think I overpaid for the seats. I never felt crowded. The great part was that we were not confined to any one seat and we could move around and watch whatever table we wanted. And I never had anyone standing in front of me. And in the general admission section you never knew what pro would come and sit next to, in front of, or behind, you. Sometimes watching the spectators and pros was more interesting than watching the tables.

KT is definately a type "A" personality. He is constantly on the move. Checking things and greeting people. He is outgoing and a true motivator. I am sure he wore out the energizer bunny. But then I suppose you would call the energizer bunny a con man too.

Billy H's posts are funny. Will his identity ever be revealed? LOL

Jake

 

[ShootingArts]

can't disagree with you on seating

I can't disagree with you on seating, I made an error there. The seating I was talking about shown on TV was of course for the only match televised so far.

Hu

I was there and I was pleasantly surprised at the seating. The VIP seats were excellent as were the General Admission seats. I sure didn't think I overpaid for the seats. I never felt crowded. The great part was that we were not confined to any one seat and we could move around and watch whatever table we wanted. And I never had anyone standing in front of me. And in the general admission section you never knew what pro would come and sit next to, in front of, or behind, you. Sometimes watching the spectators and pros was more interesting than watching the tables.

Billy H's posts are funny. Will his identity ever be revealed? LOL

Jake