The Robert Bajao Freak Shot

JoeyA

JoeyA

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This is an unusual shot. REP for a week straight to the first person who makes this shot and gets shape on the nine ball going three rails with the cue.

The 3 ball is aimed straight at the center of the pocket from where it sits and cue ball is straight in on the three. No easy feat to get the cue ball to hit the 3 and then hit the right side rail and go two more rails to get shape on the 9 ball.

A friend of mine showed me the shot and it is awesome.

There is a secret to the shot that I won't tell at this time. Nothing illegal or anything like that. It is just a special shot.

If you know the secret and can make the shot just lay it on out for everyone to know. I still laugh when I see the shot go. :D

JoeyA
 
It probably has something to do with deflection ;)

You start with the cueball on the rail? (cueball A) If so I would say that the shot is already illegal :D
 
The ROBERT BAJAO FREAK SHOT.

Roy Steffensen said:
It probably has something to do with deflection ;)

You start with the cueball on the rail? (cueball A) If so I would say that the shot is already illegal :D
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Oh yeah and don't get any thoughts about hitting the rail first. You have to hit the object ball then three rails with the cue. ;)

Yes, the cue ball is frozen to the back rail. It is NOT ON TOP OF THE RAIL. tHAT extra ball was put there just so that I could draw an extra line showing the path of the cue ball and how straight the shot actually was.

Let me know when you make it and how you make it. I've got enough REP to send you to the top. :D :D
JoeyA
 
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The Shot

In my honest opinion there is nothing special to the shot, I have made it several times in game situations. You do need a good powerful stroke though, and you have to compensate for throw alittle. If you are on the rail, I could see that I would have to jack up and shoot it like a jumpshot. Wouldnt bet money on this shot, especially on a triple shimmed table:eek: :eek: :eek: Its hard enough on buckets.
 
I'm thinking slightly elevated cue....and a powerful stroke...(or a fast table)

I don't think anyone is going to get the full travel distance on my tabel...the rails play too slow....Perhaps Nevel could pull it off 1 out of 10
 
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pletho said:
In my honest opinion there is nothing special to the shot, I have made it several times in game situations. You do need a good powerful stroke though, and you have to compensate for throw alittle. If you are on the rail, I could see that I would have to jack up and shoot it like a jumpshot. Wouldnt bet money on this shot, especially on a triple shimmed table:eek: :eek: :eek: Its hard enough on buckets.
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Congratulations if you have made this shot several times in game situations. It is a toughie for sure. That may be how you make the shot but that's not Robert's way. ;)

JoeyA
 
Joey,

I have pulled this shot off several times, although I haven't set it up exactly as you have it, although it's about as close to being a setup shot as one can get, I suppose.

The way I shoot it, I keep my cue as level as possible, bridging level with the rail, and shoot with about half as much angle on the cue ball as I would if I could bridge normally. For whatever reason, probably because the tip is contacting the cue ball way high, the squirt and swerve monster is out there trying to bite. So, with my cue I give perhaps 1/2 to 3/4 of a tip top left, and stroke the heck out of the cue ball. At this distance, I allow for about 3/4 of a ball's squirt when aiming, and shoot it with "parallel" english. I don't let my shaft dip down, but try to keep it going straight ahead, or rising up a bit after contact with the cue ball.

This shot when pulled off has a tendency to intimidate...

Flex
 
Flex said:
Joey,

I have pulled this shot off several times, although I haven't set it up exactly as you have it, although it's about as close to being a setup shot as one can get, I suppose.

The way I shoot it, I keep my cue as level as possible, bridging level with the rail, and shoot with about half as much angle on the cue ball as I would if I could bridge normally. For whatever reason, probably because the tip is contacting the cue ball way high, the squirt and swerve monster is out there trying to bite. So, with my cue I give perhaps 1/2 to 3/4 of a tip top left, and stroke the heck out of the cue ball. At this distance, I allow for about 3/4 of a ball's squirt when aiming, and shoot it with "parallel" english. I don't let my shaft dip down, but try to keep it going straight ahead, or rising up a bit after contact with the cue ball.

This shot when pulled off has a tendency to intimidate...
Flex
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That's an understatement. I believe you make the ball similar to the way Robert makes it. I would like for you to show me the aiming point on the object ball using cuetable diagram if you don't mind. I think you may be the winner.

I know there are many people who can make this shot. It isn't impossible but it does make me smile. I imagine that some could even make it as if it were a jump shot but you are on the right track if not Robert's exact track.

I look forward to seeing your diagram before I give up my King's ransom in REP. :D

When some of the players on AZ start shooting this shot and making it, there are going to be a lot more smiles going on here. We'll tell all of the secrets right here in this thread. I'm sure there are many ways to shoot this shot but Robert is pretty talented and he showed me how to make it and after I tell you what I made him tell me, you're gonna laugh. It still makes me smile. Pat's going to jump in any minute now and tell us exactly what's happening and I can't wait because parallel English is exactly what it is. :D

A side note Flex: I was thinking about parallel English and that's what it is in my mind and I can't get it out. It could just as well be called normal English or regular English. I've been discussing English with MANY good players and while most of them use BHE on occasion, all of the better players use "parallel" English, regularly. :D

Come on in Pat. We miss you buddy. :D

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
That's an understatement. I believe you make the ball similar to the way Robert makes it. I would like for you to show me the aiming point on the object ball using cuetable diagram if you don't mind. I think you may be the winner.

I know there are many people who can make this shot. It isn't impossible but it does make me smile. I imagine that some could even make it as if it were a jump shot but you are on the right track if not Robert's exact track.

I look forward to seeing your diagram before I give up my King's ransom in REP. :D

When some of the players on AZ start shooting this shot and making it, there are going to be a lot more smiles going on here. We'll tell all of the secrets right here in this thread. I'm sure there are many ways to shoot this shot but Robert is pretty talented and he showed me how to make it and after I tell you what I made him tell me, you're gonna laugh. It still makes me smile. Pat's going to jump in any minute now and tell us exactly what's happening and I can't wait because parallel English is exactly what it is. :D

A side note Flex: I was thinking about parallel English and that's what it is in my mind and I can't get it out. It could just as well be called normal English or regular English. I've been discussing English with MANY good players and while most of them use BHE on occasion, all of the better players use "parallel" English, regularly. :D

Come on in Pat. We miss you buddy. :D

JoeyA
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Joey, unfortunately, I don't know how to use that cuetable thing very well.

However, I'll tell you how I do it and how I aim at the object ball.

The first thing is to know how far away the object ball is. That's fundamental.

For most of my practice sessions, I set up this kind of shot with the object ball about 50 inches away. I know how much cue ball squirt and swerve I get with my cue when I absolutely slam into the cue ball. Then once I know the distance, I just make an adjustment as to how far the cue ball will be off the straight line. I line the shot up as if the contact point is going straight from the cue ball to the object ball. I figure how much the cue ball will squirt. I line up the aim line of the cue over the point on the cue ball I want to hit, and sight straight down this line to the equivalent point on the object ball, I fix that point in my mind's eye, I make sure my alignment is correct, I commit to the shot and stroke the hell out of the cue ball. If I give the shot anything less than full effort, in my experience, the squirt and swerve on the cue ball doesn't work out. That is to say, I pound the cue ball for this shot...

Sorry I can't make a drawing of how I do this :o

Flex
 
feels great @is intimidating

Neil said:
Flex is right. You have to really hit it hard. The extreme topspin with some english is what will bring it around. I've made this shot a number of times. But it is not one I would shoot in an important match. And, yes, you do get a really good feeling when you pull it off.
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After you pull off this with follow JACK-UP and slam it home drawing whitey straght back!:D :D :D
 
Joey you defeated me with this one. I tried for a bout 30 minutes and my best shot was getting cb to side rail then catching the point. Hit it real good a few times with max spin and speed but just followed it in. Whenever I did cut the ob into the end rail my cb had no problem spinning 3 rails.

The only way I see the shot being made is to initially aim a 1/2 to a full ball off to the left of the object ball and then jack up with parallel left spin, jump the cue ball down table so it just squirts in to the right and doesn't have time or a chance to swerve back in.
 
Joe T said:
Joey you defeated me with this one. I tried for a bout 30 minutes and my best shot was getting cb to side rail then catching the point. Hit it real good a few times with max spin and speed but just followed it in. Whenever I did cut the ob into the end rail my cb had no problem spinning 3 rails.

The only way I see the shot being made is to initially aim a 1/2 to a full ball off to the left of the object ball and then jack up with parallel left spin, jump the cue ball down table so it just squirts in to the right and doesn't have time or a chance to swerve back in.
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This is FAR more difficult on a Diamond Table because when you do get close to making the darn thing the tight Diamond pockets reject the ball. I can see it would be much easier on a GC short shelf pocket. I'm glad I'm not the only one having trouble making it.

I tried it last night for about 30 shots and made it only once in thirty. :o
OK, I didn't say it was a shot that you should try. A safety would be far better judgment. That being said, if you even come close to making it, your opponent will start shaking like a young boy meeting his girl friend's father for the first time.

I'll give a little more time to see if anyone knows how Robert makes the shot or at least shoots the shot. BTW, Robert doesn't make it consistently either but he comes close regularly. When he's in stroke I wouldn't want him shooting the shot because I hate to see my own knees knocking together.:)

This is a diagram of what I was attempting last night with my 30 tries. :o

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JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I'll give a little more time to see if anyone knows how Robert makes the shot or at least shoots the shot.
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I'll take a guess: he hits the CB with extreme follow, but jacked up a little more than necessary, and hard as hell. The slight extra degree of elevation bounces the CB downtable, to that when it hits the OB, it hops up a little. Additionally, he has to cheat the pocket a tiny bit to hit the far facing a little left of center, to make the CB hop to the right.

So what happens is the CB hits the OB, hops right, lands on the nose of the cushion, sending it back to the left with a little extra oomph (more than you'd get if you hadn't gone airborne), and then the follow takes and carries the CB around the table.

Am I right?

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
I'll take a guess: he hits the CB with extreme follow, but jacked up a little more than necessary, and hard as hell. The slight extra degree of elevation bounces the CB downtable, to that when it hits the OB, it hops up a little. Additionally, he has to cheat the pocket a tiny bit to hit the far facing a little left of center, to make the CB hop to the right.

So what happens is the CB hits the OB, hops right, lands on the nose of the cushion, sending it back to the left with a little extra oomph (more than you'd get if you hadn't gone airborne), and then the follow takes and carries the CB around the table.

Am I right?

-Andrew
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Not exactly. He doesn't jack up and the cue ball doesn't hop up on the cushion. That's my first tip of the shot.

If I didn't watch him shoot the shot SEVERAL times, I wouldn't have believe it.

Anyone else?
JoeyA
 
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