The Snob factor and Pool

[Cornerman]

Quote:
As quite honestly I really could not see, or feel much difference between in my play with the $400.00, $250.00, or $50.00 Cues I test play with.

Newsflash: Everyone here thinks the same way. Now what?

Fred <~~~ can't stand these "snob posts."

Hello,
Erm Cornerman are you sure that's what you meant to say? If it is I'm sorry but you might want to re-read the part of Bavompa's post that you quoted here again!

Chris (Chrstc).

By "these snob posts," I mean these useless posts that somehow view the fact that many people on these boards who like to talk about their cue equipment as some kind of snobs.

This is like the second of these erroneous posts in the past couple of months. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Just because people like to talk about equipment doesn't make them snobs. Every one of us knows damned well that equipment doesn't make the player or the person.

Fred

 

[TATE]

When I started playing pool 11 years ago I went out and bought my first cue for $80.00. I played with it for several months and one night I asked an experienced player what he thought of it. He hit a few balls and then turned to me and said "to be honest it is basically a piece of sh-t". Since I was starting to take the game seriously I invested in a real cue for a thousand.

Wayne, I bet you didn't even thank him later for it later on too as you were cleaning his clock.

I don't know about you but I sure miss my Imperial with the green nylon wrap and the 11mm shaft. Hey, $20 was a lot of money in those days. it bought you about 100 gallons of gas.

Chris

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Wayne, I bet you didn't even thank him later for it later on too as you were cleaning his clock.

I don't know about you but I sure miss my Imperial with the green nylon wrap and the 11mm shaft. Hey, $20 was a lot of money in those days. it bought you about 100 gallons of gas.

Chris

When I started taking pool seriously, I went to this pool table/accessory shop near my house, and I bought a graphite Eliminator for $200. This was back in '97, and I felt like I was on top of the world. When I asked someone who was a pretty good player what he thought of my cue, he laughed and told me that he could have gotten me a real good cue made out of wood for like $150. I still didn't believe him, thinking that since graphite was warp-resistant, strong, and light, that I had one of the best cues out there. That was until I first walked into 'Players' in Van Nuys (the action room that burnt to the ground), and saw all of these top players using cues made out of wood. Eventually I managed to sell my cue for like $70. What a rip off LOL

 

[TATE]

Quote:
As quite honestly I really could not see, or feel much difference between in my play with the $400.00, $250.00, or $50.00 Cues I test play with.

Newsflash: Everyone here thinks the same way. Now what?

Fred <~~~ can't stand these "snob posts."

Hello,
Erm Cornerman are you sure that's what you meant to say? If it is I'm sorry but you might want to re-read the part of Bavompa's post that you quoted here again!

Chris (Chrstc).

Chris,

I think Fred said exactly what he meant. Any of us would agree that we could rifle through a stack of competently built inexpensive cues and find something we could play fine with./ We've all also probably have been beat by a guy who walked into the room and pulled any old cue off the wall. But, that is not at all why we buy custom cues. I used a full splice Adam cue for 15 years and would still be playing with it if it didn't warp.

We probably shouldn't take Bavompa's post too seriously until he gets more experience. I can almost guarantee you if he sticks with the game for a few years, he will think differently.

Chris

 

[TATE]

When I started taking pool seriously, I went to this pool table/accessory shop near my house, and I bought a graphite Eliminator for $200. This was back in '97, and I felt like I was on top of the world. When I asked someone who was a pretty good player what he thought of my cue, he laughed and told me that he could have gotten me a real good cue made out of wood for like $150. I still didn't believe him, thinking that since graphite was warp-resistant, strong, and light, that I had one of the best cues out there. That was until I first walked into 'Players' in Van Nuys (the action room that burnt to the ground), and saw all of these top players using cues made out of wood. Eventually I managed to sell my cue for like $70. What a rip off LOL

That's funny. Have you ever seen the tape of Mark Tadd playing Mike Sigel I have? Mark is using that exact same thing - a black graphite cue - no kidding. I would have said "are you shooting pool or pole vaulting with that thing?". He got smoked but maybe if he had a real cue he would have been fine.

Chris

 

[Snapshot9]

Just because

You don't want tio spend more on equipment, and you are happy with what you got, don't take it out on us. We are hardcore Pool fanatics, and we have a tendency to be obsessive compulsive .... lol but, we are NOT SNIOBS, cutting edge sarcastic at times, but not snobs.

I get pretty fanatical about anything that really peaks my interest ... lol

I was making 'Pool song' CD's this morning, so I can listen to them in my
car... ROFL

 

[chrstc]

Chris,

I think Fred said exactly what he meant. Any of us would agree that we could rifle through a stack of competently built inexpensive cues and find something we could play fine with./ We've all also probably have been beat by a guy who walked into the room and pulled any old cue off the wall. But, that is not at all why we buy custom cues. I used a full splice Adam cue for 15 years and would still be playing with it if it didn't warp.

We probably shouldn't take Bavompa's post too seriously until he gets more experience. I can almost guarantee you if he sticks with the game for a few years, he will think differently.

Chris

Hello,
Well the point I was trying to make was that the quote that Cornerman chose to use said that the original poster couldn't find any difference between a $400, $250 or $50 cue in terms of the feel or the difference it made to his game. By quoting that and then saying that he agreed completely made it sound as if Cornerman couldn't tell the difference either! I was only commenting on that part of Cornerman's post, not the rest of it.

Obviously that point didn't come across as clearly as I thought it would!

Thanks,
Chris (Chrstc).

 

[Klopek]

After reading the posts on this forum for many months, I think there are a lot of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies hanging out here.

My definition of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies are: Those who feel if you do not have a $500.00+ Cue, and a fancy Cue Case you are not capable of playing the game of pool.

I recently went up to the big city, and bought my first (2) piece Cue, and Soft Cue Case.

I forget the name of the place I went but it was something like the Cue House, or House of Cues. They had a very good selection of Cues, Cases, accessories, and prices that were fair. Plus the sales staff was helpful, and not pushy.

The best part was the place had a try out table, and after spend about two hours testing about 20-30 Cues, I found one I liked. It was a close out special.

Cue, Soft Case, Willard, Tip Taper, and a few other accessories set me back a grand total of just under $80.00.

Now I think the next step in improving my Pool game is lots of practice with the Cue I just got.

As quite honestly I really could not see, or feel much difference between in my play with the $400.00, $250.00, or $50.00 Cues I test play with.

Your post sounds like reverse snobism to me.

 

[catscradle]

I'm about to upgrade my car from one with 212k miles to one with 110k, a guy that I work with wouldn't have a car with over 40k. Different strokes for different folks. Cars mean nothing to me, but they do to him.
I own a bunch of cues valued from 70 buckes to 2400 bucks. I own these various cues because I like the craftsmanship of a well made cue, not because I need a bunch of cues or because they make me play better. Some of the cues are more right for me than others of them, but I can play with the $70.00 cue (a Canadian Dufferin).
I think you do this board and it's members a disservice with your statement.

 

[jodcue]

After reading the posts on this forum for many months, I think there are a lot of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies hanging out here.

My definition of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies are: Those who feel if you do not have a $500.00+ Cue, and a fancy Cue Case you are not capable of playing the game of pool.

I recently went up to the big city, and bought my first (2) piece Cue, and Soft Cue Case.

I forget the name of the place I went but it was something like the Cue House, or House of Cues. They had a very good selection of Cues, Cases, accessories, and prices that were fair. Plus the sales staff was helpful, and not pushy.

The best part was the place had a try out table, and after spend about two hours testing about 20-30 Cues, I found one I liked. It was a close out special.

Cue, Soft Case, Willard, Tip Taper, and a few other accessories set me back a grand total of just under $80.00.

Now I think the next step in improving my Pool game is lots of practice with the Cue I just got.

As quite honestly I really could not see, or feel much difference between in my play with the $400.00, $250.00, or $50.00 Cues I test play with.

I have to disagree, I'm new to the site and have only been reading for a few weeks off and on. I think these guys just love every aspect of the game and are constantly critiquing every aspect of the game to help themselves improve their own game. If you continue to read and read past the fluff you will find in their words tidbites that will help you improve your game. Like the sugestion abour spending some of the money you saved on real lessions with a bca certified instructor. Keep a copy of your statement for prosperity. After you have 30 plus years under your belt loving this game see if you still feel the same way.

Jodcue

POOL IS A PASSION NOT A GAME!

 

[Maniac]

By "these snob posts," I mean these useless posts that somehow view the fact that many people on these boards who like to talk about their cue equipment as some kind of snobs.

This is like the second of these erroneous posts in the past couple of months. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Just because people like to talk about equipment doesn't make them snobs. Every one of us knows damned well that equipment doesn't make the player or the person.

Fred

You mean to tell me that the snide remarks about Cuetec cues and the same kind of remarks about persons that wear a pool glove (just two recent examples) were all just kidding? Come on, we've all seen them, and so have you. Maybe these posters should try a little judicious use of the "big grin" emoticon when they are just kidding around! Are you trying to say that there are NO snobs on this board, with as many members as there are here? The law of averages says that there probably are some here, whether anybody wants to admit it or not.
BTW, I own and use a Cuetec cue and like the heck out of it (especially the 12mm extra shaft I have for it and use the most frequently). I also wear a glove whether or not I am using the Cuetec or not. I just got used to using one after sweating my a$$ off in most of the bars I shot in this summer (105 degree heat, small rooms, lots of people, table lights=sweaty hands). No need for ANYONE anywhere to say one single negative thing about mine, or anybody elses playing equipment. I don't care one iota if people want to spend thousands for their cues/equipment, just leave me alone about mine.
As far as erronous posts go, if I remember correctly, there were many that were in agreement with that other recent post.
Why don't we all just live and let live???

Maniac

 

[Cornerman]

Hello,
Well the point I was trying to make was that the quote that Cornerman chose to use said that the original poster couldn't find any difference between a $400, $250 or $50 cue in terms of the feel or the difference it made to his game. By quoting that and then saying that he agreed completely made it sound as if Cornerman couldn't tell the difference either! I was only commenting on that part of Cornerman's post, not the rest of it.

Obviously that point didn't come across as clearly as I thought it would!

Thanks,
Chris (Chrstc).

We all do agree that there is little to no correlation physically between the cost of a cue and the level it brings to a person's game. I don't think there is anything misrepresented there.

There is no difference in my game that I can ascertain from one cue to another based solely on its cost. That seems pretty understandable. Some of the best playing I"ve done is with a $90 Lishan, and a $60 Dufferin. I've tweaked my preferences, but that's not the point of the original poster.

Fred

 

[Cornerman]

You mean to tell me that the snide remarks about Cuetec cues and the same kind of remarks about persons that wear a pool glove (just two recent examples) were all just kidding? Come on, we've all seen them, and so have you. Maybe these posters should try a little judicious use of the "big grin" emoticon when they are just kidding around! .

Forget about emoticons. If you need them to decipher what's snobbery and what's not, maybe you've got to step back and take a few breaths
The original poster painted a broad picture, as if this board was filled with snob. Yet, when one poster wrote "what real players where a glove," what percentage do YOU think on this board shared that implicit condescending view??? Did you even bother reading the responses? VERY FEW. The fact is, this board is filled with NON-SNOBS, and yeah, I'm pissed every time some yahoo can't have the decency to read the responses for what they are, and understand that the MAJORITY of the AZBilliard posters don't do this things you acuse us.

Are you trying to say that there are NO snobs on this board, with as many members as there are here?

No, I'm not saying that. I don't need to say that.

What we have is a bunch of people that like to buy equipment. Lots of equipment. In the real world, in real pool halls and real leagues, we are the minority. And we know that. The discussions of this vice of collecting, buying, and blowing money on equipment would fall on deaf ears and constant ridicule in other pool settings. But here, on AZBilliards, on CCBoard, on RSB, we get a chance to discuss with other like-minded people who also enjoy buying equipment. And now guys like you are going to criticize us for that and falsely acuse us of snobbery just because you fail to read the posts for what they are.

Fred <~~~ owns a Cuetech and wears a f*ing glove

 

[poolmoney]

Well I started playing with a cue from K-mart about 13 years ago...now I play with a Viking. I guess as time goes by, you get more into it, and want to spend more. Sort of like having a car..when you first turn 16 and get a car, it doesn't matter what it is, it get's you where you're going. But as time goes by, you tend to spend more on the next model.
As for the snob part, everybody has a right to their opinion. It is extremely easy to read the post on here in your own "tone of voice"

 

[Colin Colenso]

Fred <~~~ owns a Cuetech and wears a f*ing glove

All I can say is....

http://www.frontiernet.net/~dffynst/nelson.wav

 

[MrLucky]

And ........ your point is? LOL!

After reading the posts on this forum for many months, I think there are a lot of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies hanging out here.

My definition of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies are: Those who feel if you do not have a $500.00+ Cue, and a fancy Cue Case you are not capable of playing the game of pool.

I recently went up to the big city, and bought my first (2) piece Cue, and Soft Cue Case.

I forget the name of the place I went but it was something like the Cue House, or House of Cues. They had a very good selection of Cues, Cases, accessories, and prices that were fair. Plus the sales staff was helpful, and not pushy.

The best part was the place had a try out table, and after spend about two hours testing about 20-30 Cues, I found one I liked. It was a close out special.

Cue, Soft Case, Willard, Tip Taper, and a few other accessories set me back a grand total of just under $80.00.

Now I think the next step in improving my Pool game is lots of practice with the Cue I just got.

As quite honestly I really could not see, or feel much difference between in my play with the $400.00, $250.00, or $50.00 Cues I test play with.

I will give you 6 - 12 months and you will be on here asking advice as to which chalk is better? whose tips are better and a year and a half from now you'll be questioning the differences in play of a McDermott from a Viking or Joss Cue!

As a new player you bought the right cue since it really is too early and you are too new to understand and appreciate the difference between a $80 and a $300 dollar cue much less a Jacoby or a Schon! and actually until you learn english / stroke and bridge techniques you really have no need to spend any more money ! you just need to learn pool and start enjoying the game

 

[Cameron Smith]

After reading the posts on this forum for many months, I think there are a lot of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies hanging out here.

My definition of Pool Snobs, or equiptment junkies are: Those who feel if you do not have a $500.00+ Cue, and a fancy Cue Case you are not capable of playing the game of pool.

I recently went up to the big city, and bought my first (2) piece Cue, and Soft Cue Case.

I forget the name of the place I went but it was something like the Cue House, or House of Cues. They had a very good selection of Cues, Cases, accessories, and prices that were fair. Plus the sales staff was helpful, and not pushy.

The best part was the place had a try out table, and after spend about two hours testing about 20-30 Cues, I found one I liked. It was a close out special.

Cue, Soft Case, Willard, Tip Taper, and a few other accessories set me back a grand total of just under $80.00.

Now I think the next step in improving my Pool game is lots of practice with the Cue I just got.

As quite honestly I really could not see, or feel much difference between in my play with the $400.00, $250.00, or $50.00 Cues I test play with.

You can have snobs for anything, so this shouldn't come as a surprise. However I do think this forum isn't too bad with snobery. The regular posters are pretty good I think.

But whenever I advise someone to spend at least $200 (CDN) it is typically because these cues are less likely to warp on you.

I will admit I am a guitar snob. I won't play a guitar that cost less than $500, even then I am a bit iffy about it.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

That's funny. Have you ever seen the tape of Mark Tadd playing Mike Sigel I have? Mark is using that exact same thing - a black graphite cue - no kidding. I would have said "are you shooting pool or pole vaulting with that thing?". He got smoked but maybe if he had a real cue he would have been fine.

Chris

Yeah I saw that match, it might have been your tape. Wasn't it a dark green graphite cue? It's the one where Mark basically gives up, and starts acting like he doesn't care anymore right?

 

[Tokyo-dave]

I think that we all as pool players that play with higher end and somewhat expensive cues consider our cues to be extentions of our peni. The more expensive, the better the extention! And all of those that don't own higher end cues have smaller peni and really don't belong in a pool hall.
(but I've lost many many matches to guys with smaller peni than I)
dave

 

[Klopek]

But here, on AZBilliards, on CCBoard, on RSB, we get a chance to discuss with other like-minded people who also enjoy buying equipment. And now guys like you are going to criticize us for that and falsely acuse us of snobbery just because you fail to read the posts for what they are.

As I wrote earlier reverse snobism.