inthezone said:Besides, anything that makes pool more exciting to watch we shouldn't be too hasty to dis....
I think tough kicks are far more impressive, and people I know who are not pool players seem to think so too from what I've seen.
inthezone said:Besides, anything that makes pool more exciting to watch we shouldn't be too hasty to dis....
ratcues said:By looking at the poll numbers I have come to a conclusion. The voters that want to ban jump cues have probably lost to someone who uses one and does not want the ban. Is that close?
Snapshot9 said:In fact, I have found myself wanting to carry 2 jumpers, 1 for real close-ups and another for all other jumps with perhaps better control.
And I just pendulum stroke, but I am going to practice the dart stroke
ratcues said:By looking at the poll numbers I have come to a conclusion. The voters that want to ban jump cues have probably lost to someone who uses one and does not want the ban. Is that close?
I got my butt chewed by Earl Strickland in Vegas because I made some jump cues. He got beat by a jump shot in his lastest match. He was going on and on about how they have ruined the game. I guarantee that he would pull one out and use it if it meant winning a match.
ratcues said:By looking at the poll numbers I have come to a conclusion. The voters that want to ban jump cues have probably lost to someone who uses one and does not want the ban. Is that close?
I got my butt chewed by Earl Strickland in Vegas because I made some jump cues. He got beat by a jump shot in his lastest match. He was going on and on about how they have ruined the game. I guarantee that he would pull one out and use it if it meant winning a match.
SphinxnihpS said:I use a jump cue simply because it allows me to make shots I can not make with a full cue, and if I don't my opponent will.
So, if you are faced with a shot where your choice is to jump or kick, your opponent will take the shot for you and jump it if you don't?
That being said, I spent a long time learning how to jump proficiently with a full length and weight cue. I still prefer to use my playing cue to make most jump shots, but when things tighten up, I know I can pull the short monster out of the bag and at least get a hit, if not make the shot.
So, you prefer to use the tool that you are most comfortable with for the range of shots you know it works for and you use another tool for the shots that are beyond that range? Did you know that some "full length and weight cues" are better suited to jumping than others? You can take the jump shot that you feel most comfortable with and I guarantee you I can hand you a two cues off the rack and unmodifed in the slightest which you will have radically different performances with. One you will be able to jump almost effortlessly, that is if you have the developed skill you say you do, and with the other you will struggle to make the jump shot. What do these two cues have to do with your skill? One allows you greater use of it and the other restricts what you can do with your skill level.
Let me put this another way. Let's say that you have developed yourself into the greatest shotmaker on earth. You can make any shot from anywhere. What if I put a tip on your cue that reduces your shotmaking by 50%. Would that be fair?
A jump cue is simply a tool, like the tip, which allows the person with the greatest skill the opportunity to exercise it.
Last night I played in leagues, and played a guy that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag, but he could jump.
You played a person who has invested more time in developing one aspect of his game to the detriment of others. I can make the same statement about the guy who can draw his ball two table lengths but can't run three balls.
All jump cues are is extra money for everyone to spend so that mediocre to plain bad players can make shots not normally possible for them.
Are you saying that the range of shots possible with a jump cue are possible for above average to pro players without a jump cue? If so then I will be glad to wager a substantial sum of money to disprove that view.
As a result, tables suffer everywhere. Every jump shot destroys the cloth where the ball smashes it into the slate.
No it does not. Sorry, but I have done more jump shots and jump exhibitions than anyone on this forum. I have proved to room owners time and time again that jump shots do not ruin the cloth. The occasional jump shot does not harm the cloth at all. Practicing jump shots for an hour in one spot tamps the cloth down but does not break the fiber. The white spots that one sees from jump shots are there because the cloth is tamped down and the fiber reflects light at a different angle. When the table is cleaned with a damp cloth the fiber restores and the spots are gone. On top of that the cloth gets a different level of compression depending on the type of cueball used. Some cueballs leave quite bright marks and others leave very faint ones. Every shot played on a pool table drives the cue into the cloth because every shot is approached with a cue that is not level with the slate bed.
If they banned them I would gladly burn mine.
Johnnyt said:Most likely the ones that don't like/want jump-cues are the older players. I had one in my hands once and was going to buy it...then I handed it back to him.No new tricks for me. If I had played in a lot of tournaments I'm sure I would have had one. Johnnyt
jimmymac said:I play with a guy here in town that will not gamble with you if you use a jump cue. He plays about 4-5 hours a day and is retired. He practices two, three, and four rail kicks contantly. I play a few hours a week, I like the jump I think it adds piazza to the game. I think the kicks add old school style. The jump shot is he to stay, you have a right not to like it, just don't complain about it when you get beat by it. By the way the guy I'm talking about will save you to death even if he has a easy run out. I think he does it just to get under your skin when shooting against him.
Takumi4G63 said:I think tough kicks are far more impressive, and people I know who are not pool players seem to think so too from what I've seen.
John Barton said:I disagree. I have sold many hundreds of jump cues to older players who were delighted to have a new skill to use. Many of these folks were happy to get the stoke lesson that came with the cue and thanked me for improving their game overall.
John