Actually if you notice the few votes on the top voting it as awesome then the yes vote is still leading, although marginally.
The "Tragedy" of the jump cue?
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Jump shot tips
I noticed that of those interested in jump cues some seem to probably be pretty good at it. Any tips on jumping short range shots? I am good 6 inches or more fromt he object ball but really struggle in closer. I practice my kicks a lot more than jumps but when I practice jumps any closer than say a ball and a half and I just can't do it. Others in the pool room that are noticeably weaker players are much better at jumping than I am and I would like to change that. I believe players should be very well rounded, hence I should learn the finer points of jumping...
Let the advice begin!
And please don't just post a video showing an awesome close range jump shot if all we can see is the tip and ball. I can't learn if I don't see what there are doing.
I noticed that of those interested in jump cues some seem to probably be pretty good at it. Any tips on jumping short range shots? I am good 6 inches or more fromt he object ball but really struggle in closer. I practice my kicks a lot more than jumps but when I practice jumps any closer than say a ball and a half and I just can't do it. Others in the pool room that are noticeably weaker players are much better at jumping than I am and I would like to change that. I believe players should be very well rounded, hence I should learn the finer points of jumping...
Let the advice begin!
And please don't just post a video showing an awesome close range jump shot if all we can see is the tip and ball. I can't learn if I don't see what there are doing.
PKM said:
Oh no ! the taiwanese would be heavily handicapped when that happens !
PoolSponge said:
I use the "Dart Style" jump on the close shots, or what I call cross table shots, where you really need to control the cue ball after contact to keep for jumping off the table.
I make the jump style bridge with my hand and elevate the butt a little higher than a normal jump shot, I'm still aiming for that BB in center of the cue ball, just at a more downward angle, I take a few warm up strokes
and "SNAP" strike down as if I'm driving the stick through the slate.
J
jimmymac
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You would say that you safety playing fool. Thanks for covering for me last night.oneshotwiss said:
No jump or masse shots allowed
Use to be the sign on every wall in every poolroom. Still is in a lot of them. Jump shots are not pool. One should not be able to recover from their own mis-plays by jumping. Nor should they recover from their opponents well played snookers by jumping. The luckey snookers will still be there-oh how well i know- but that's part of the game. As a player AND a spectator, I would much prefer to see a well executed kick then a loud, obnoxious jump! And the players that practice their jump shots while others are trying to compete...I love that. Bad for the equipment but then, I'm an oldtimer now and can't seem to keep up with all these young straight shooters.
Hit em good. I voted NO to jumps.
Use to be the sign on every wall in every poolroom. Still is in a lot of them. Jump shots are not pool. One should not be able to recover from their own mis-plays by jumping. Nor should they recover from their opponents well played snookers by jumping. The luckey snookers will still be there-oh how well i know- but that's part of the game. As a player AND a spectator, I would much prefer to see a well executed kick then a loud, obnoxious jump! And the players that practice their jump shots while others are trying to compete...I love that. Bad for the equipment but then, I'm an oldtimer now and can't seem to keep up with all these young straight shooters.
Hit em good. I voted NO to jumps.
I was re-browsing this thread, and remembered seeing a Cuetec jump cue with Earl's signature on it. I think that's a little odd considering how he feels about the jump cue.
I could be mistaken though. Does this ring a bell with anyone else??
I could be mistaken though. Does this ring a bell with anyone else??
Pushout said:Push out 9 ball rules do away with the need for a jump cue, and make the game more strategic. But, then of course, thousands of people would quite playing 9 ball. 10 ball push out seems like a good game
the push out rule never implied the use of a jump cue. the rule of a push out was created inorder for the player to have a strategic path of where he can maneuver the CB, it was done even before the dawn of frequent use of the jump, not until recently. thus, it was done frequently in aggressive kicks and safeties but seldom in jumps.
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"It may be for bangers but everybody's doing it." ---- Vinnie
(Slightly paraphrased)
I just went to a cuemaker friend of mine earlier today and he built me a prototype jump and break cue out of spare parts around his shop while I waited.
First time I've ever been able to jump balls with a full length cue. Twice, after making the ball, I drew the cue ball the full length of the table. I'm going to have to figure that out!
Stones
(Slightly paraphrased)
I just went to a cuemaker friend of mine earlier today and he built me a prototype jump and break cue out of spare parts around his shop while I waited.
First time I've ever been able to jump balls with a full length cue. Twice, after making the ball, I drew the cue ball the full length of the table. I'm going to have to figure that out!
Stones
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Banks
Banned
Just say NO!
I suck at jumping with a regular stick, but with a jump cue its as easy as pie. That's just lame, imho.
You should play the game with the same cue from beginning to end.
I will admit, unfortunately, that I would use a jump cue to even the playing field if they are being used in a tournament. But, since I've done my best not to buy a trick stick, I don't use one.
It's like extra pine tar, spit on a pitcher's hand, extra-long spikes on a slide into a base.. it compensates for a player's inability with the standard equipment.
No crossbows in archery.
No super glue on a receiver's hands (or something).
No dynamite in fishing.
No excessive oil on a boxer.
No scuba fins in swimming.
Leave it to the hustlers' game to have extra equipment hustled into the game. Just because someone can make it doesn't mean it should be allowed. Or if it is, then it should be the same cue used from beginning to end - no breaking it down to make it into a different cue.
I suck at jumping with a regular stick, but with a jump cue its as easy as pie. That's just lame, imho.
You should play the game with the same cue from beginning to end.
I will admit, unfortunately, that I would use a jump cue to even the playing field if they are being used in a tournament. But, since I've done my best not to buy a trick stick, I don't use one.
It's like extra pine tar, spit on a pitcher's hand, extra-long spikes on a slide into a base.. it compensates for a player's inability with the standard equipment.
No crossbows in archery.
No super glue on a receiver's hands (or something).
No dynamite in fishing.
No excessive oil on a boxer.
No scuba fins in swimming.
Leave it to the hustlers' game to have extra equipment hustled into the game. Just because someone can make it doesn't mean it should be allowed. Or if it is, then it should be the same cue used from beginning to end - no breaking it down to make it into a different cue.
There is some kind of competition in fin swimming that I saw a clip of. The swimmers use monofins so they look like mer-people. It is also done on a single breath. I think one person did like 250 meters without coming to the surface to breathe. It might be amusing, but it's not really swimming.Banks said:
I think that jump cues are GREAT. It is a great shot(crowd pleaser), it is one more tool in your toolbox.
It also helps you with nailing down your position. When I play someone that I know can jump, I will damn sure concentrate on sticking him to another ball so he can't jump out of it. It has definitely improved my defensive play. I not only jump, I make the best jump cue ever! It's called the DEUCE. check out my videos on www.youtube.com/killermiller777
It also helps you with nailing down your position. When I play someone that I know can jump, I will damn sure concentrate on sticking him to another ball so he can't jump out of it. It has definitely improved my defensive play. I not only jump, I make the best jump cue ever! It's called the DEUCE. check out my videos on www.youtube.com/killermiller777
easy way out
I think jumping with a jump cue especially with a phenotic tip is alright but it allows the game for people to have another oppurtunity when they mess up. So I try not to jump unless its the best shot possible. Some people do some ridiculous jump shots because they dont know how to kick. I think when peopel screw up they should pay for it. But then again people get lucky either way. I don't like the jump cue but the jump shot is just fine because it takes good fundamentals and knowledge to execute. If it were up to me keep the jumping but with full cue and leather tip.
I think jumping with a jump cue especially with a phenotic tip is alright but it allows the game for people to have another oppurtunity when they mess up. So I try not to jump unless its the best shot possible. Some people do some ridiculous jump shots because they dont know how to kick. I think when peopel screw up they should pay for it. But then again people get lucky either way. I don't like the jump cue but the jump shot is just fine because it takes good fundamentals and knowledge to execute. If it were up to me keep the jumping but with full cue and leather tip.
I'm glad, and a little surprised, that the no votes are as high as they are. Nice to have company.
I think a good rule is that after the break the player must use his playing cue for the rest of the game. If you try to just ban the worst offenders like phenolic or non-leather tips, then the arms race continues and someone will develop a leather tip which is as hard as iron. Maybe somebody has already done it.
I dislike special purpose cues (other than, grudgingly, a break cue) because of the arms race it promotes, because they are rough on the equipment (all those little white indentations in the cloth), because it forces you to buy more equipment to stay competitive (and carry heavy 3x6 cases), but, most of all, because it detracts from the beauty and subtlety of the game.
Of course, this is just my opinion. Reasonable people may differ. But you have about as much chance of convincing me otherwise as convincing me to vote for Hillary. It's kind of an emotional thing, not entirely logical.
I think a good rule is that after the break the player must use his playing cue for the rest of the game. If you try to just ban the worst offenders like phenolic or non-leather tips, then the arms race continues and someone will develop a leather tip which is as hard as iron. Maybe somebody has already done it.
I dislike special purpose cues (other than, grudgingly, a break cue) because of the arms race it promotes, because they are rough on the equipment (all those little white indentations in the cloth), because it forces you to buy more equipment to stay competitive (and carry heavy 3x6 cases), but, most of all, because it detracts from the beauty and subtlety of the game.
Of course, this is just my opinion. Reasonable people may differ. But you have about as much chance of convincing me otherwise as convincing me to vote for Hillary. It's kind of an emotional thing, not entirely logical.
I'll chime in, since it's been a while since I have really posted anything...lol.
Personally, I do not like the jump shot in pool at all, with or without a jump cue. I think it makes for a lazy player, and perhaps has made the game, particularly 9 Ball, easier than it should be. A huge part of the game is strategy. But, IMHO, what is the point of playing good strategy pool, if a jump shot can negate it so easily? And no, I can't jump...never really cared to learn how...preferring to hone my 'on table' skills. By not using a jump cue and/or shot, you are forced to learn to use the aspect of rail play into your game. For me, it is much more satisfying to execute a nice legal shot, utilizing the rails, than any jump shot could provide me. I also think it will make you a better, more rounded player, overall.
Also, take into account the general 'wear and tear' on the equipment. Phenolic balls were not meant to be bounced, nor was slate meant to be bounced upon...let alone the damage the cloth will sustain over time. I have a table at home, and I will not allow ANYONE to make jump shots on it. I have taught both my kids to play now, and both are pretty fair players...and both were taught to incorporate rail play into their games. That's what the rails are for...and why they are made of rubber. It's not really until one incorporates a good rail play into their game that they can truly appreciate just exactly what they can do with the rails, and what the rails can do for them.
Go back and watch some tapes of the old masters at work. What they could do with a CB and the rails in tandem was a thing of beauty...and they weren't sending the CB airborne to do it.
I hate to say it, but too much technology in the game has made it an easier game to play, and be successful at, for a greater population of players. Gone is the heyday of the simple cue, and the talent to truly utilize it well. Gone is the day when a player walked into a room with nothing more than a 1x1 or 1x2 case, and shot lights out with what was inside. Nowadays, most players and pros need a caddy just to tote the luggage they carry around...and that is just to the matches!
I would love to see the day again where a simple cue and talent reigned supreme...but that's just me.
Lisa
Personally, I do not like the jump shot in pool at all, with or without a jump cue. I think it makes for a lazy player, and perhaps has made the game, particularly 9 Ball, easier than it should be. A huge part of the game is strategy. But, IMHO, what is the point of playing good strategy pool, if a jump shot can negate it so easily? And no, I can't jump...never really cared to learn how...preferring to hone my 'on table' skills. By not using a jump cue and/or shot, you are forced to learn to use the aspect of rail play into your game. For me, it is much more satisfying to execute a nice legal shot, utilizing the rails, than any jump shot could provide me. I also think it will make you a better, more rounded player, overall.
Also, take into account the general 'wear and tear' on the equipment. Phenolic balls were not meant to be bounced, nor was slate meant to be bounced upon...let alone the damage the cloth will sustain over time. I have a table at home, and I will not allow ANYONE to make jump shots on it. I have taught both my kids to play now, and both are pretty fair players...and both were taught to incorporate rail play into their games. That's what the rails are for...and why they are made of rubber. It's not really until one incorporates a good rail play into their game that they can truly appreciate just exactly what they can do with the rails, and what the rails can do for them.
Go back and watch some tapes of the old masters at work. What they could do with a CB and the rails in tandem was a thing of beauty...and they weren't sending the CB airborne to do it.
I hate to say it, but too much technology in the game has made it an easier game to play, and be successful at, for a greater population of players. Gone is the heyday of the simple cue, and the talent to truly utilize it well. Gone is the day when a player walked into a room with nothing more than a 1x1 or 1x2 case, and shot lights out with what was inside. Nowadays, most players and pros need a caddy just to tote the luggage they carry around...and that is just to the matches!
I would love to see the day again where a simple cue and talent reigned supreme...but that's just me.
Lisa
John Barton
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Bob Jewett said:
It's still swimming, just a different form of it. Snooker is still a billiards game even though it differs greatly from carom.
Perhaps you shoud try to swim 250 meters on one breath with or without a mono-fin before you so callously dismiss the effort.
John Barton
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Banks said:
I agree. Everyone who plays pool should play on exactly the same equipment and with the same equipment. A one piece house cue with exactly the same taper, some ferrule, same weight, same tip, same chalk. No gloves allowed, no powder, no tip piks, each player is allowed one piece of sandpaper and each tip must be shaped to a nickel radius or the player is disqualified.
And all the shots should be call shots. Call the pocket, call caroms, safeties, kisses, combos, everything or it's ball in hand for the opponent. No push outs. No jump shots.
Pockets should be 2.6 inches in width. Then we can see the TRUE skill of the shooter. No more slopping balls in from a diamond away.
Players must wear exactly the same clothing so that one is not more comfortable than another. Players must have their eyesight registered and wear corrective lens so they are competing on the same physical level.
That ought to just about make the "game" traditional eh?
I say we should ban the pool cue from pool. Make everyone use their hands to move the balls.
Another good thing that the IPT had - no jump cues allowed.
On a side note, Mr. John Barton, your last post was absolutely irrelevant to what Banks was arguing. You try to make it sound absurd yet you completely missed his point.
On a side note, Mr. John Barton, your last post was absolutely irrelevant to what Banks was arguing. You try to make it sound absurd yet you completely missed his point.
OMG time to bust out the jump cue WHEEEEE
I've recently been playing in a new poolroom and I must say that the art of kicking is not to be found there. When I kick a ball in I get stares of wonder and disbelief, followed by the old "I really don't trust that guy" glare. Its no wonder they feel like this...since it seems they'd rather jump exclusively then kick.
If I leave a guy here a six foot jump over two object balls, he'll try to drill a hole through the slate and loft the cueball up a foot in the air to clear both the near and far interfering ball. The percentage of the time they accomplish what they are trying to do with a jump is just horrible. I just don't get it.
I also really dislike all the divots in the cloth. When you're playing and at the point of cueball / objectball contact on a straight in or nearly straight in shot, the cueball sometimes does a tiny hop off of the cloth. You loose speed and spin off of the cueball, just look around at that sea of divots if you are in a jump-happy room like me. I've had more of those frigging microbounces that rob me of a significant portion of my cueball control in this room that I ever have had in any room before.
I don't think I've ever seen Efren jump in any video or live match. I'd much rather watch him 3-rail mule-kick and pinball his way behind a fleet of balls in front of his opponents pocket and say "I got lucky!".
Bah, I'm ordering a jump cue and will use it only when appropriate till it gets banned.
I've recently been playing in a new poolroom and I must say that the art of kicking is not to be found there. When I kick a ball in I get stares of wonder and disbelief, followed by the old "I really don't trust that guy" glare. Its no wonder they feel like this...since it seems they'd rather jump exclusively then kick.
If I leave a guy here a six foot jump over two object balls, he'll try to drill a hole through the slate and loft the cueball up a foot in the air to clear both the near and far interfering ball. The percentage of the time they accomplish what they are trying to do with a jump is just horrible. I just don't get it.
I also really dislike all the divots in the cloth. When you're playing and at the point of cueball / objectball contact on a straight in or nearly straight in shot, the cueball sometimes does a tiny hop off of the cloth. You loose speed and spin off of the cueball, just look around at that sea of divots if you are in a jump-happy room like me. I've had more of those frigging microbounces that rob me of a significant portion of my cueball control in this room that I ever have had in any room before.
I don't think I've ever seen Efren jump in any video or live match. I'd much rather watch him 3-rail mule-kick and pinball his way behind a fleet of balls in front of his opponents pocket and say "I got lucky!".
Bah, I'm ordering a jump cue and will use it only when appropriate till it gets banned.