The truth about Mezz shafts

Scott Lee said:
asbani...A broom is not a cuestick shaft. I didn't say anything about comfort. I said a particular shaft makes no difference in whether you can draw or spin the CB. You may disagree, but it's still true. Action on the CB happens with a good stroke and a decent tip.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Action depends on chalk, tip and energy imparted to the cueball. The 'stroke' doesn't matter.

The stroke is a tool to help the person deliver a consistent, accurate, precise hit on the cueball, nothing else.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
Action depends on chalk, tip and energy imparted to the cueball. The 'stroke' doesn't matter.

The stroke is a tool to help the person deliver a consistent, accurate, precise hit on the cueball, nothing else.
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How does one deliver the chalk and tip to the cue ball to impart energy?

Obviously the answer is by their stroke.

Now I can tell you for a fact, that if you jab at the cue ball with a herky jerky goofy stroke, your chalk, tip and energy imparted will not be satisfactory in achieving any intended result.

Stroke really does matter, just like size .. ;-)
 
Agent 99 said:
How does one deliver the chalk and tip to the cue ball to impart energy?

Obviously the answer is by their stroke.

Now I can tell you for a fact, that if you jab at the cue ball with a herky jerky goofy stroke, your chalk, tip and energy imparted will not be satisfactory in achieving any intended result.

Stroke really does matter, just like size .. ;-)
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I can guarantee you that if you have the same tip speed and direction at the time of impact nothing else about your stroke matters.
 
Drop The Rock said:
I think what my buddy straight pool is saying is that for the price laminated LD shafts are a ripoff because the process and materials for a straight production shaft is cheap and efficient.
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I'm betting there is more time and labor involved in making an LD shaft, thus, gonna be a little more expensive than a maple shaft. Most folks have no problem with that. They are still cheaper than my son's baseball bats, and his bats usually only last one season, two tops.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
I can guarantee you that if you have the same tip speed and direction at the time of impact nothing else about your stroke matters.
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I completely agree with your statement above. But the thing is that you can not consistently hit the cue ball in the correct spot, with the correct speed, without a disciplined stroke.

I get your point, and it is valid.

You must be a scientific guy like myself - I can tell by your adherence to the physical forces involved in moving a cue ball. In theory you are absolutely correct.

In the practical application of applying these forces we must deviate from theory and consider the variables that present themselves when human beings are in charge of delivering said forces.

I guess we must take into consideration that it's not a machine exactly guiding the cue ball into the object ball - it's just people like you and me - and this is where the stroke comes into play.

Wish I was a machine. Gets aggravating at times when I fail to hit the cue ball exactly like I tried to.

Good rolls.
 
hi

I just got Mezz sneaky pete with WX700 & kamui Black Soft and I love it. Just played one night untill now.

Few years ago I sold Mezz EC-N (wavy) with Mezz professional Maple shaft here on AZ.

That was my biggest mistake!

With that cue I could make almost any shot... I sold it just to try other brands and experiment... :(
 
Agent 99 said:
I completely agree with your statement above. But the thing is that you can not consistently hit the cue ball in the correct spot, with the correct speed, without a disciplined stroke.

I get your point, and it is valid.

You must be a scientific guy like myself - I can tell by your adherence to the physical forces involved in moving a cue ball. In theory you are absolutely correct.

In the practical application of applying these forces we must deviate from theory and consider the variables that present themselves when human beings are in charge of delivering said forces.

I guess we must take into consideration that it's not a machine exactly guiding the cue ball into the object ball - it's just people like you and me - and this is where the stroke comes into play.

Wish I was a machine. Gets aggravating at times when I fail to hit the cue ball exactly like I tried to.

Good rolls.
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Thank-you for understanding my point...and even more for taking the time to understand my point.

I find it helpful to separate the physics and the physical. I want to understand what the basest reason something happens and how best to use my body to make that happen.

Hence, to me, a good stroke isn't necessarily pretty, it doesn't necessarily include a long follow through or a smooth delivery. These things are all tools which make it easier for a person to produce, and as you mention, discipline oneself to make that perfect hit.

Very much a science guy...mechanical engineer, accredited, designer of mechanical systems, assembler of said systems which I also support.

Best.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
Action depends on chalk, tip and energy imparted to the cueball. The 'stroke' doesn't matter.

The stroke is a tool to help the person deliver a consistent, accurate, precise hit on the cueball, nothing else.
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I disagree.
Stroke is a timing thingy.
Follow stroke and draw strokes are different. Not just different speeds.
Different grips even. Different follow through.
Sticks and shafts make a big difference.
I test my cues and other cues.
Some cues are just dead no matter what you do with the shafts.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I'm betting there is more time and labor involved in making an LD shaft, thus, gonna be a little more expensive than a maple shaft. Most folks have no problem with that. They are still cheaper than my son's baseball bats, and his bats usually only last one season, two tops.
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It takes longer to season one piece shafts.
The magic number is about 4 years and up.
Thin plies reach equilibrium fasfer.
 
I think that playing with a Mezz shaft you can't develope nice,smooth and technically consistent and accurate stroke no matter who much talented you are:eek::eek::eek:
 
JoeyInCali said:
I disagree.
Stroke is a timing thingy.
Follow stroke and draw strokes are different. Not just different speeds.
Different grips even. Different follow through.
Sticks and shafts make a big difference.
I test my cues and other cues.
Some cues are just dead no matter what you do with the shafts.
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Disagree if you want, but the physics says otherwise. The cueball doesn't know how you are holding the cue and it sure as hell doesn't matter how much you follow through.

I'd strongly suggest that you take some lessons and simplify your game.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
Disagree if you want, but the physics says otherwise. The cueball doesn't know how you are holding the cue and it sure as hell doesn't matter how much you follow through.

I'd strongly suggest that you take some lessons and simplify your game.
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The cueball knows death grip.
Everyone should learn stroke slip to simplify the stroke.
You can accelerate all you want, you can't be straighter and faster than a sliding cue off your grip hand.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
Action depends on chalk, tip and energy imparted to the cueball. The 'stroke' doesn't matter.

The stroke is a tool to help the person deliver a consistent, accurate, precise hit on the cueball, nothing else.
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Exactly and energy transfer/imparted can vary from shaft to shaft!!!
 
Well,she plays because she is paid to play with it.However, have you noticed that after she has started playing with MEZZ,she can't apply left english as good as she was able to before.
Most of people are not aware that left english isn't possible to play with Mezz shafts:)
 
ivicafranic said:
Well,she plays because she is paid to play with it.However, have you noticed that after she has started playing with MEZZ,she can't apply left english as good as she was able to before.
Most of people are not aware that left english isn't possible to play with Mezz shafts:)
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Left english isn't possible (or at least much harder) with Mezz shafts? That's what you're saying right?

gr. Dave
 
Drop The Rock said:
So your saying variance in taper has absolutely no effect on energy transfer to the cue ball? So with a light, medium, and firm strokes the cue ball will react the same?
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No, I agreed with you that taper will affect it, but most of the energy lost is in the tip, thus most of the variance is due to tip hardness.

There is another thread going that talks about LD shafts and jumping. Basically everybody, including Royce from OB is saying that heavier end weight causes easier jumps. Seems to be pretty good evidence that the taper isn't doing a whole lot for the energy transfer, as compared to the tip and ferrule.

I'm not positive what you are implying with the light, medium and firm strokes. I use those terms for the speed of the cue, so yes, they absolutely react differently.

If you mean differences in grip pressure, no I don't believe the cueball reacts significantly differently because of how hard one grips the cue. The person may react differently (almost definitely) and cause a different reaction, but the cueball will react the same if all other things are equal.
 
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