The window is Open for Jay and Fatboy!!!!

Can I ask what is the deal with Corey and "rack your own" that is so big that even the Filipinos are scared of it (according to Chris)???

Does Corey gaffe the rack somehow to allow for a guaranteed break?

Is the opponent not allowed to inspect the rack and insist that it be racked correctly?

I don't know that I have ever heard of so much insistence on rack your own to the point that the best players on Earth are afraid of one player because of it.

This is kinda sounding like Corey is somehow a cheater at nine ball rack your own? I don't think that is true, is it true Chris, does Corey have a way to adjust the rack to his advantage when he is breaking and does he use it? If so then I wouldn't be putting that out on the street. Then he will certainly never get that game.

Gosh, well I won't bet unless there is a neutral racker. :-)
 
John Barton said:
That's not betting - that's stealing - well only half stealing as the other side is stupid to bet on past events so he is donating.
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i was flat at time so I had to do what I had to do, I only win about $40, but its been a good story over the years, we had a black jack game there too after hours-that was stealing, I would bank it sometimes, or play when they would deal the whole deck playing single deck- now thats stealng for me, i play very strong bj thanks to roy futternick.
 
jay helfert said:
You know I'm getting a little sick of all the whining I'm hearing on here, after the fact. EVERYONE thought Corey was the favorite before the match, and now all the same people are looking for an excuse why he got beat!

He got beat because he got outplayed from tee to green. Kind of a Tiger Woods beatdown. The game was fair for both players. Shane didn't have to make any kind of moves except to play better pool. That is the name of the game, isn't it?

Shane has nothing to prove! He already did! Corey lost to a better player, it's that simple. If Corey wants his crown back, let him get it the same way he lost it. Shane will continue to test himself against other top players. He may win some and he may lose some, but I guarantee he won't be crying about it when he loses. He'll muscle up and try to find a way to win next time.
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GREAT post!!!

What in the hell is wrong with these people??? They wanna turn the game into who's the best RACK MECHANIC??

You guys think Shane was manipulating the rack? Maybe he was just racking them in the same place every time, like you're supposed to. Shane was SMASHING the hell out of the rack, and squatting the cueball every time. If you like percentages, if you can do that consistently, you're gonna run out more.

Don't start whining because Corey wasn't hitting the rack as hard and the 1ball as square as Shane was. Did you people forget that pool is about who can play better, not who is a better rack mechanic (at least that's the idea).

I have a great idea. Why don't we just have a rack contest. Shane and Corey have to rack their own, and if you don't make a ball on the break, you lose. Better yet, if you make a ball on the break, but can't see the lowball, you lose. No actual pool shooting required. Just rack and break.

WTF is wrong with you people LOL
 
jay helfert said:
You know I'm getting a little sick of all the whining I'm hearing on here, after the fact. EVERYONE thought Corey was the favorite before the match, and now all the same people are looking for an excuse why he got beat!

He got beat because he got outplayed from tee to green. Kind of a Tiger Woods beatdown. The game was fair for both players. Shane didn't have to make any kind of moves except to play better pool. That is the name of the game, isn't it?

Shane has nothing to prove! He already did! Corey lost to a better player, it's that simple. If Corey wants his crown back, let him get it the same way he lost it. Shane will continue to test himself against other top players. He may win some and he may lose some, but I guarantee he won't be crying about it when he loses. He'll muscle up and try to find a way to win next time.
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Now i have sat back and read all of this crap going on..I will be the first to admit i thought corey was going to win this match.I even bet on corey and lost but to say corey lost to a better player is crazy.I think shane has an awesome game and someday he may be consider the best player out there but I dont think you can say that right now cause shane beat corey in shanes house. How about this??? See if shane is willing to play corey in OHIO same game same stakes in a place of coreys choice..I think you might see a different outcome
 
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ShootingArts said:
I agree their needs to be a neutral rack person but I think that it is ridiculous that nine and ten ball don't have set orders for the balls. "Random" is only as random as someone wants it to be and there are always questions when one person gets better ball positions after the break than the other one. In a gambling match like this I think that they should agree on a ball order and a rack person and roll with it. Either player can demand a rerack or a new racker if they aren't happy.

Hu
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If I'm not mistaken, I thought that I heard the commentators say that in this match, there was a set order for four of the balls (the 1-ball and the 10-ball obviously) -- but I thought that they said that they had to rack the 2-ball and the 3-ball in the lower corners. So they really only had 6 balls with which to fiddle around with the order of -- and they weren't the corner balls. Can someone else confirm this?
 
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billiardspro said:
Now i have sat back and read all of this crap going on..I will be the first to admit i thought corey was going to win this match.I even bet on corey and lost but to say corey lost to a better player is crazy.I think shane has an awesome game and someday he may be consider the best player out there but I dont think you can say that right now cause shane beat corey in shanes house. How about this??? See if shane is willing to play corey in OHIO same game same stakes in a place of coreys choice..I think you might see a different outcome
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They brought in a Diamond table just for this event. New cloth too of course so home field advantage wasn't tremendous if any at all. Corey got beat by someone that played better those two days. As has been said over and over in this thread, the break was a big factor. Safety play seemed to be the other controlling factor. Corey played decent safeties, it seemed like Shane locked Corey up tight more often than Corey really locked up Shane.

If you are breaking a little better, playing a little better safeties, and your offensive play is about equal, you win a long race. Looks to me like this is what happened. Both players had advanced warning it was rack your own ten ball and I'm sure both put in a lot of time just learning where to position balls in the rack and working on their break. Shane came up with a better combination than Corey.

Anybody that thinks that either player "owns" the other one at any game is likely to lose some money in the future.

Hu
 
Corey got out played. That is all that happened here. Why whip a dead horse. Johnnyt
 
chris bartram said:
Oh my bad Jay..Thought this post meant you would play rack your own nine ball...my bad must have misread something in it...

Why is ten ball a better game anyhow...Less runouts and more safeties why does that make it a better game..I prefer it to myself but only because i have a bad break...
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Your bad Chris. No where in my post #4, which you are responding to above, did I say anything about 9-Ball. You did misread it obviously. Once again, I said it is up to Shane what game he wants to play. And he likes Ten Ball. You guys all liked that game too last week.

If you no longer like Ten Ball, that is fine with me. You can play 9-Ball with somebody else. Is that clear enough for you now?
 
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This is all a bunch of whinning! I like a lot of people thought that corey would win this but he didn't. Corey showed up and had a bad weekend, I think that we all have those from time to time. It doesn't matter where they played at svb just out played him this time. I don't beleive that it would be the same if they did it again, but that is up to them. No excuses SVB play awesome and deserved to win. Congrats to him.
 
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Thanks. I didn't have this information. Seems to me like all of the games that have to be ran in rotation, or even with one person shooting high and one low, should have a set complete racking order. I stack the rack against myself all the time in practice. When you do it constantly it is just as fast and smooth as throwing the balls in randomly. Someone that uses several different patterns can often do it for awhile before getting caught and most people only stack a few balls in the "random order".

Hu



Get_A_Grip said:
If I'm not mistaken, I thought that I heard the commentators say that in this match, there was a set order for four of the balls (the 1-ball and the 10-ball obviously) -- but I thought that they said that they had to rack the 2-ball and the 3-ball in the lower corners. So they really only had 6 balls with which to fiddle around with the order of -- and they weren't the corner balls. Can someone else confirm this?
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billiardspro said:
Now i have sat back and read all of this crap going on..I will be the first to admit i thought corey was going to win this match.I even bet on corey and lost but to say corey lost to a better player is crazy.I think shane has an awesome game and someday he may be consider the best player out there but I dont think you can say that right now cause shane beat corey in shanes house. How about this??? See if shane is willing to play corey in OHIO same game same stakes in a place of coreys choice..I think you might see a different outcome
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This is ridiculous. Both Shane and Corey are road players. They both agreed to the conditions and the conditions were the same for both. Except that Shane surely had more pressure because he was the "underdog" and because he was playing in front of his hometown crowd.

Willie Mosconi said that the local guy ALWAYS has more pressure. He said that is why he wasn't afraid of losing any exhibition matches against local champions.

I am 100% positive that if Corey can arrange for a place in Ohio to put in a brand new Diamond table with the same cloth that he would agree to come there and play the same set again. Why wouldn't he? The WORST he could do is break even. Now the pressure would be DOUBLE on Corey to win at home.

Corey lost to the better player last weekend. Shane played better than Corey period. Corey even admitted it. It wasn't as if Shane was dogging balls the whole time and Corey was just unlucky. Sure Shane got some rolls BUT he also RAINED racks on Corey and punished him and when Corey got back to the table he had no answer.

I once asked Rafael Martinez what he thinks about when someone is running out multiple racks on him. He said he is only thinking about what he will do when he gets a shot and how many racks he will run.

Corey's house, Shane's house, nonsense. The Action report did EVERYTHING humanly possible to insure that the conditions did not favor either player and were exactly as agreed upon by the players.

I bet $1000 right now that IF Corey asks Shane to come to Ohio with everything the same except for location that the answer will be YES. Any takers?
 
cuetechasaurus said:
GREAT post!!!

What in the hell is wrong with these people??? They wanna turn the game into who's the best RACK MECHANIC??

You guys think Shane was manipulating the rack? Maybe he was just racking them in the same place every time, like you're supposed to. Shane was SMASHING the hell out of the rack, and squatting the cueball every time. If you like percentages, if you can do that consistently, you're gonna run out more.

Don't start whining because Corey wasn't hitting the rack as hard and the 1ball as square as Shane was. Did you people forget that pool is about who can play better, not who is a better rack mechanic (at least that's the idea).

I have a great idea. Why don't we just have a rack contest. Shane and Corey have to rack their own, and if you don't make a ball on the break, you lose. Better yet, if you make a ball on the break, but can't see the lowball, you lose. No actual pool shooting required. Just rack and break.

WTF is wrong with you people LOL
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Hey Cuetec,
I wish that you would specify instead of just saying "you guys". I am a Corey fan and would like to see them play 9 ball because I think it would be a different outcome, but I have given Shane his due and haven't made any excuses for Corey. I commend Shane on his professionalism and hope for his continued success. I simply chimed in when people started saying that Corey was finished and that Shane was better than him. I agree that some of the statements by CB and others were maybe whining a little, but in the same token I don't think its right to judge another class act (CD) that has proven himself to be one of the best players on the planet on one match. It was one match where he was outplayed, but it was one match never the less. Maybe if they play again, you and I could place a sweat bet on it, Say $10,000?
 
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jay helfert said:
I said it and I'm not taking it back. Corey is a great player, but Shane is better at Ten Ball (and probably 9-Ball also). And that's how life is. Sorry, if my honesty offended anyone.

I still like Corey and will bet on him in the right spot. This isn't it! Shane did it once and he can damn sure do it again. They can start tomorrow as far as I'm concerned. We don't need any cameras either, just a pool table and a bunch of money.
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So this reply didn't mean you would let Shane play him rack your own nine ball..Okay thats fine then if thats not what you meant. And I apologize for woofing. No hard feelings I am sorry.Thought you meant you would bet on that game.

Corey did get outplayed and got beat. Shane played great and deserved to get the cash. The table broke way to easy from what I heard and Corey never switched his break.So he lost end of story. I was just relaying meassage that rack your own nine ball was an option now from my friend whogotbanned off here you might know who I mean haha.

By the way Jamie did go out there and take every side bet that him and Billychips could get down and even bet most of them when Corey was losing like when Corey was down 28-22 they still bet more money.
 
chris bartram said:
By the way Jamie did go out there and take every side bet that him and Billychips could get down and even bet most of them when Corey was losing like when Corey was down 28-22 they still bet more money.
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I thought I saw Jamie in a pic. They are supposed to press the bets at 28:22 for Shane. But Corey forgot to come off the stall after the bets were jacked.

:-)
 
suprnva said:
Like I said, ask Shane about playing Larry and see what he says. He hasn't been thrilled about the idea in the past, but maybe things have changed in two weeks.

Chris Bartrum and Donny Mills also need to let me know if they still wanna play Larry some. Chris has the 9 playing 10-ball if he wants to play in South Carolina, and Donny can get the 7 playing 9-ball there too.

Anyone else interested in playing Larry some???
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Just a question, but why doesnt larry come down and play the florida 10 ball tour on october 5th,6th in tampa........its a good tourney with 9k added.....and im sure donny mills will play and bartrum is usually there .....im not speakin for anyone, just wondering
 
biggame said:
So how much was the total bet, with all the side bet's??
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not enough for all the drama! it was one match,one.you would think they played for each others girlfriend by the way people are acting.these 2 will have a friendly rivalry for years to come most likely.shane played better than corey did on these 2 days, anything other than that is just pure guess work and speculation:cool:
 
John Barton said:
Can I ask what is the deal with Corey and "rack your own" that is so big that even the Filipinos are scared of it (according to Chris)???

Does Corey gaffe the rack somehow to allow for a guaranteed break?

Is the opponent not allowed to inspect the rack and insist that it be racked correctly?

I don't know that I have ever heard of so much insistence on rack your own to the point that the best players on Earth are afraid of one player because of it.

This is kinda sounding like Corey is somehow a cheater at nine ball rack your own? I don't think that is true, is it true Chris, does Corey have a way to adjust the rack to his advantage when he is breaking and does he use it? If so then I wouldn't be putting that out on the street. Then he will certainly never get that game.

Gosh, well I won't bet unless there is a neutral racker. :-)
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I played Corey in Reno about 3 years ago and it was rack your own. He was making the one in the side on every break and basically running the same rack time after time. Other guys were trying it but couldn't do it. I got a shot in the first rack and the 6th.
 
jamesroberts said:
Just a question, but why doesnt larry come down and play the florida 10 ball tour on october 5th,6th in tampa........its a good tourney with 9k added.....and im sure donny mills will play and bartrum is usually there .....im not speakin for anyone, just wondering
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I'll let him know about it.
 
corvette1340 said:
Hey Cuetec,
I wish that you would specify instead of just saying "you guys". I am a Corey fan and would like to see them play 9 ball because I think it would be a different outcome, but I have given Shane his due and haven't made any excuses for Corey. I commend Shane on his professionalism and hope for his continued success. I simply chimed in when people started saying that Corey was finished and that Shane was better than him. I agree that some of the statements by CB and others were maybe whining a little, but in the same token I don't think its right to judge another class act (CD) that has proven himself to be one of the best players on the planet on one match. It was one match where he was outplayed, but it was one match never the less. Maybe if they play again, you and I could place a sweat bet on it, Say $10,000?
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Ah, well I took it as though you and a few others were giving Shane no respect for his win. Glad you clarified.

Instead of $10,000, how about ten million? Oh man it felt good to say that, it was so self-gratifying. :D j/k
 
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