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Just out of curiosity... Who was the person holding the gun to your head that forced you to play in the event?XxwriteoffxX said:
The Windy City Open Selling Out QUICK!
- Thread starter Eydie Romano
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Interesting, I PMed you to introduce yourself to me at the event, in which you didn't feel the need to. But yet, you don't want to meet me and would rather come here and post your "honest" opinion?XxwriteoffxX said:
As far as the entry, www.windycityopen.net here is the deal. It is $75.00 to enter BEFORE December 25th After December 25th there is a late fee of $20.00. This amount covers ALL people such as yourself that come in last minute and want us to sign you up. This takes time and staff. IF you didn't want to pay the additonal $20.00 THEN YOU should have signed up on time like the many who do and saved your money. $40.00 is incorrect, if you want the math, ask for it!
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(sigh) Welcome to my world Eydie. You bust your ass to make something enjoyable happen and they burn you at the stake. Just like with the DCC room for me... It was stated MONTHS ago that there was a deadline for when the player money would have to be in. No one said a word until the deadline time came around and all of the sudden I'm the spawn of satan.Eydie Romano said:
Now we've got friends of pro players wanting to play in the room for free and causing a stink because they aren't allowed. You wouldn't believe the asinine drama & phone calls that have happend over this. To make this little drama even better... I'm getting all the blame. LOL See, it wouldn't matter which pro this person is friends with.... they could be friends with Efren, Jeanette, Archer, anyone.... and they still wouldn't be allowed to play. As luck would have it, they're friends with Shawn Putnam. See how it's all of the sudden my fault?
This person is saying that since they play pool for a living, they're a pro. No one in that room knows who he is and he doesn't play at the pro level that Shawn does. I guess next yr when they organize the room, they're going to have to stipulate something like "Recognizable Pro's" or "Top Ranked pro's"... something along those lines, so that short stops don't try to come in and claim pro status and hog up the table all derby long.
Can't win for losing Eydie. The folks that enjoy the WCO each yr should thank you for continuing to do this yr after yr in the face of all the cry baby stuff that goes on. You're stronger than I am... I've had it up to my eye balls with the freaking cry babies I've had to deal with over this room, and I won't do it again.
xxw is correct, you shouldn't be nickel and diming people like that, shame
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Timberly
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Ok nameless person hiding behind a screen name casting judgement on something you know nothing about, how about you put on a large event like that and see how much money it costs before you cast stones.smashmouth said:
Of course you won't do that because you're simply posting to stir the pot. That's your only purpose. Truth of the matter is, you don't give a rats a$$ about the situation, you're only here to troll around and stir the pot.
xxw? the results have been posted. Now YOU do the math!
It's sad but true. There are always people like Smashmouth and XXX that never recognize what it takes to run large events.
When I started the NW women's tour up here, I tried to make it really newbie-friendly - giving out door prizes to every player, giving points out for 9 ball breaks and BR's, and having a second-chance tournament for those players to come back on Sunday that were out of the money. In the regular tournament, the bracket out of the money payouts 'won' something from the host room like T-shirts, mugs or free time gift certificates.
I also instituted the Sportswoman of the Year award for the player that showed the best sportsmanship that had nothing to do with her ability, as well as Most Improved award. We took photographs at all the tournaments, had a website with all our members' pics, kept a scrapbook of players, had fun events at our tournaments like book and bake sales.
Also with the newbies in mind, we held a couple 8-ball tournaments and even a women's Scotch Doubles tournament which were a lot of fun.
We had a suggestion box out and we implemented many of those suggestions. We also awarded trophies to our volunteer referee and tournament director at a nice year-end dinner. We had vendors come - from cue repair, to massages, to women's fashions and had nice embroidered T-shirts, polo shirts, and denim shirts for sale with our logo on them as well.
And I got flack for not gearing it towards both ends of the spectrum... newbies and semipros, even after we got qualifiers. With a FT job as the sole provider of 2 young children, the tour took an inordinate amount of time away from them. I secured donations, sponsors, room owners, did the player's meeting, kept staff on track, arranged all our paraphenalia at the tables, did the stats (which included the 9ball breaks and BR's), published the articles in local newspapers, and wrote a monthly newsletter snail-mailed to the players. And we had a tournament EVERY month! It was a tremendous amount of work for what basically became one person - ME, so I can certainly commiserate with you.
Many times I was putting out door prizes instead of being able to practice, going into my first match without having my stick put together. Yes, my game suffered for the greater good, but there you have it. There will always be whiners.
I think you will find that a lot of women are doers and that explains why the WPBA has had long-term success, while a lot of men's organizations have come and gone. Don't let the couple disgruntled players get you down, Eydie and Timberly...everyone else knows what a fantastic job you two have done.
When I started the NW women's tour up here, I tried to make it really newbie-friendly - giving out door prizes to every player, giving points out for 9 ball breaks and BR's, and having a second-chance tournament for those players to come back on Sunday that were out of the money. In the regular tournament, the bracket out of the money payouts 'won' something from the host room like T-shirts, mugs or free time gift certificates.
I also instituted the Sportswoman of the Year award for the player that showed the best sportsmanship that had nothing to do with her ability, as well as Most Improved award. We took photographs at all the tournaments, had a website with all our members' pics, kept a scrapbook of players, had fun events at our tournaments like book and bake sales.
Also with the newbies in mind, we held a couple 8-ball tournaments and even a women's Scotch Doubles tournament which were a lot of fun.
We had a suggestion box out and we implemented many of those suggestions. We also awarded trophies to our volunteer referee and tournament director at a nice year-end dinner. We had vendors come - from cue repair, to massages, to women's fashions and had nice embroidered T-shirts, polo shirts, and denim shirts for sale with our logo on them as well.
And I got flack for not gearing it towards both ends of the spectrum... newbies and semipros, even after we got qualifiers. With a FT job as the sole provider of 2 young children, the tour took an inordinate amount of time away from them. I secured donations, sponsors, room owners, did the player's meeting, kept staff on track, arranged all our paraphenalia at the tables, did the stats (which included the 9ball breaks and BR's), published the articles in local newspapers, and wrote a monthly newsletter snail-mailed to the players. And we had a tournament EVERY month! It was a tremendous amount of work for what basically became one person - ME, so I can certainly commiserate with you.
Many times I was putting out door prizes instead of being able to practice, going into my first match without having my stick put together. Yes, my game suffered for the greater good, but there you have it. There will always be whiners.
I think you will find that a lot of women are doers and that explains why the WPBA has had long-term success, while a lot of men's organizations have come and gone. Don't let the couple disgruntled players get you down, Eydie and Timberly...everyone else knows what a fantastic job you two have done.
date conflict
I understand you are probably repeating something you have been told , but what you or infering that I changed my dates is not true. My dates have been on the books at the Ex. West for years. In fact the dates for this year and next year which will be Jan 4 thru 12th were used in the past before any windy city event was even dreamed of...We revolve around a home show in Louisville. I really think eydie will straighted this out as we were partners in a previous event where she now holds the windy city...Here is a copy of a post a couple years ago when the UPA dates were in question as a possible conflict with the DCC....................#43 04-15-2005, 07:34 PM
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OK now, lets get back to the original premise of this thread. The dates for the DCC and the Bicycle UPA event. In past years, the DCC was held the third full week in the month of January. The Bicycle was held the first full week in January last year and scheduled for that time frame next year. Perhaps someone here should ask Greg Sullivan why he scheduled the DCC on the UPA weekend! I think you have it backwords!!!!!
By the way, I still think forcing the regional tours to bow to the demands of the UPA is rediculous. I understand the need for one governing body. Holding a gun to the heads of the regional promoters is not going to achieve that result. I ask one simple question. What will the regional tours get in return for a UPA sanction? Think long and hard before you answer!............................................................................
CardiacKid, Glad for the chance to explain about the dates.
PAST DCC's
1st DCC Jan 22 - Jan 30 1999
2nd DCC Feb 4 - Feb 12 2000
3rd DCC Jan 26 - Feb 3 2001
4th DCC Jan 4 - Jan 12 2002
5th DCC Jan 3 - Jan 11 2003
6th DCC Jan 16 - Jan 24 2004
7th DCC Jan 14 - Jan 22 2005
COMING DCC's
8th DCC Jan 6 - Jan 14 2006
9th DCC Jan 5 - Jan 13 2007
10th DCC Jan 4 - Jan 12 2008
TBA
The first 3 years were year by year contracts with the motel. As the event grew I signed a five year agreement. I've been jumping around in Jan avoiding a big farm show or home show, I'm not exactly sure which at this time. Anyway, other than the 2000 event I've been in Jan and will try and stay there. I've now signed another 5 year agreement thru 2011, but I can't tell you all the exact dates from memory. I'll definitely post them later on my web site for the DCC. The only reason I remember the next couple years is that they go down 1 day a year closer to New Years Eve and I have a hard time getting setup help during those dates......I know the 11th DCC will most likely go back to the middle of Jan......................
I'd like to say that there is no way I'd intensionally conflict with any event. Nor would I move them at the last minute in harms way. The 8th DCC for 2006 has been on the books since 2001! I wouldn't want to put any player in that spot. I must add that I'm COMPLETELY satisfied that Charlie Williams and the UPA DID NOT try to conflict with the DCC. I've heard that the UPA's dates are not in stone and every effort is being taken to fix things. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!....................
I'd like to add that Charlie has been very helpful the last few years at the DCC. He took on the job of selecting players overseas that I have been helping with entries and rooms as well providing me a list of the UPA points winners so I could do the same with players in the states. I'ts my job to try and get the best players I can at the DCC for the spectators as well as lesser players trying to win games against them. The short races and drueling format is tuff enough.....I must add that I'm honored the DCC is even mentioned along with events as the US Open, but I must say the DCC was not designed as a format for Pro Pool. It was designed by me to I guess I'll say "Please Me". I hope that doesn't sound selfish, It's just I wanted to try it my way!..................
I started to go into my feelings on the direction of the UPA, but I won't go into detail at this time. I'll only say I wish I could have had a chance to sanction with a pool players association ; then the date issue would not have happened!.............
Greg/Diamond
Joe,
please note that in 2002 and 2003 the dates you say I changed to in order to conflict with the windy city were already being used and were sheduled to be used again in 2007 and 2008. And were even shown on the forum on 04-15-2005, 07:34 PM ...Greg/Diamond ... I tried to PM you and allow you to correct you're post but it said I had to shorten my post which I couldn't do and show you the previous post..sorry about you being misinformed.
Joe,daytonajoe said:
I understand you are probably repeating something you have been told , but what you or infering that I changed my dates is not true. My dates have been on the books at the Ex. West for years. In fact the dates for this year and next year which will be Jan 4 thru 12th were used in the past before any windy city event was even dreamed of...We revolve around a home show in Louisville. I really think eydie will straighted this out as we were partners in a previous event where she now holds the windy city...Here is a copy of a post a couple years ago when the UPA dates were in question as a possible conflict with the DCC....................#43 04-15-2005, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiac kid
OK now, lets get back to the original premise of this thread. The dates for the DCC and the Bicycle UPA event. In past years, the DCC was held the third full week in the month of January. The Bicycle was held the first full week in January last year and scheduled for that time frame next year. Perhaps someone here should ask Greg Sullivan why he scheduled the DCC on the UPA weekend! I think you have it backwords!!!!!
By the way, I still think forcing the regional tours to bow to the demands of the UPA is rediculous. I understand the need for one governing body. Holding a gun to the heads of the regional promoters is not going to achieve that result. I ask one simple question. What will the regional tours get in return for a UPA sanction? Think long and hard before you answer!............................................................................
CardiacKid, Glad for the chance to explain about the dates.
PAST DCC's
1st DCC Jan 22 - Jan 30 1999
2nd DCC Feb 4 - Feb 12 2000
3rd DCC Jan 26 - Feb 3 2001
4th DCC Jan 4 - Jan 12 2002
5th DCC Jan 3 - Jan 11 2003
6th DCC Jan 16 - Jan 24 2004
7th DCC Jan 14 - Jan 22 2005
COMING DCC's
8th DCC Jan 6 - Jan 14 2006
9th DCC Jan 5 - Jan 13 2007
10th DCC Jan 4 - Jan 12 2008
TBA
The first 3 years were year by year contracts with the motel. As the event grew I signed a five year agreement. I've been jumping around in Jan avoiding a big farm show or home show, I'm not exactly sure which at this time. Anyway, other than the 2000 event I've been in Jan and will try and stay there. I've now signed another 5 year agreement thru 2011, but I can't tell you all the exact dates from memory. I'll definitely post them later on my web site for the DCC. The only reason I remember the next couple years is that they go down 1 day a year closer to New Years Eve and I have a hard time getting setup help during those dates......I know the 11th DCC will most likely go back to the middle of Jan......................
I'd like to say that there is no way I'd intensionally conflict with any event. Nor would I move them at the last minute in harms way. The 8th DCC for 2006 has been on the books since 2001! I wouldn't want to put any player in that spot. I must add that I'm COMPLETELY satisfied that Charlie Williams and the UPA DID NOT try to conflict with the DCC. I've heard that the UPA's dates are not in stone and every effort is being taken to fix things. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!....................
I'd like to add that Charlie has been very helpful the last few years at the DCC. He took on the job of selecting players overseas that I have been helping with entries and rooms as well providing me a list of the UPA points winners so I could do the same with players in the states. I'ts my job to try and get the best players I can at the DCC for the spectators as well as lesser players trying to win games against them. The short races and drueling format is tuff enough.....I must add that I'm honored the DCC is even mentioned along with events as the US Open, but I must say the DCC was not designed as a format for Pro Pool. It was designed by me to I guess I'll say "Please Me". I hope that doesn't sound selfish, It's just I wanted to try it my way!..................
I started to go into my feelings on the direction of the UPA, but I won't go into detail at this time. I'll only say I wish I could have had a chance to sanction with a pool players association ; then the date issue would not have happened!.............
Greg/Diamond
Joe,
please note that in 2002 and 2003 the dates you say I changed to in order to conflict with the windy city were already being used and were sheduled to be used again in 2007 and 2008. And were even shown on the forum on 04-15-2005, 07:34 PM ...Greg/Diamond ... I tried to PM you and allow you to correct you're post but it said I had to shorten my post which I couldn't do and show you the previous post..sorry about you being misinformed.
Eydie Romano said:
I replied back by saying that i did not know what you looked like, so i'm not going to go around and say your name like a lost child. Sure i played in the mini event because i was bored and was wating to give shane VB a ride back after his matches. Now i talked to a bunch of players who signed up early and they pretty much said the same thing about the paying per game. Sure there where a good amount of players who liked it, thats great. I know it takes a great deal of work to run something like this event, did i ever say that you done a shitty job, NO i did not. I said that it was a nice tournament. And i know the 40 bucks is incorrect, like you where never wrong to begin with.
And Timberly you can stick your nose somewhere else, i didnt say anything about you, but sure you jump on my nuts like i was you long lost lover.
I Know it's hard to run a tourny, even more so a big one like windy. But if your going to be salty over what some one says about it, and your going to cry about every time when some like me that doesnt agree with everything, well than you might as well give it up and call it quits. It's been said to me that the last couple of years the draw has been low, But than again i've been told this, this year was just my first time being there so i would'nt know. I thought this year looked like a decent crowed.
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LOL, I asked a simple question. If you're going to complain about something on an open forum, then you're posting to everyone. That leaves your complaint open to comments.XxwriteoffxX said:
You complained about having to pay for the games... that was known before you played. I simply don't understand complaining about you having to do it, when you did it willingly, knowing that was how it was going to be.
If you don't like cheese, and you go to a place that you know only sell's cheeseburgers, don't complain that you got a cheeseburger.
If you don't want others to comment on what you say, send your message in a PM.
I am not sure how this turned into a DCC thread, but since it has been addressed this is what I have to say:Greg/Diamond said:
From the beginning of The Windy City Open, it was announced that it would always be on the first weekend after the New Year. Then all of a sudden Derby which for the most part has been from the middle of Jan to the beginning of Feb jumped to the beginning of Jan. I can't go back to were it was announced because it was years ago and on a different forum skin on AZB.
I had my dates for last year 06 scheduled to find out VIA a business associate that the dates conflicted now with Derby. The problem with this is that my dates were scheduled, the paperwork was signed and then I find out that DCC is scheduled the same dates, not only for that year but for 2 additional years as well. No one from DCC contacted me before this date to advise me that it may or will conflict. In fact, they knew from our other business dealings that it was the slowest time of year for the hotels and that was the only date that I could get to make it affordable for my event.
Granted, I truly believe that there is a farm/home show that DCC has to work around, but it is so much easier for them to change their dates to farther on in the month then the first weekend, which historically has been mine. Did anyone form DCC call and ask me if it would conflict? No, it was just done.
So, basically after 2008 do I get my dates back or will the players have to continue to choose?
We are now working with a sponsor who is considering adding $50,000 to Windy City. It would be a travesty if the players are made to choose...
XxwriteoffxX said:
Again, I will address this since it seems to be an issue with you. It say's dollar op on the web site. It has and always will be unless I find a sponsor who is willing to eat the table rental. It is dollar op EVERYWHERE including all league events in Vegas. At SBE (my favorite event of the year
) they charge a greens fee and a big admission. If you want to complain about dollar op, then complain about the entire spectrum of pool tournaments. Don't just single WCO out.I assure you that I am not crying, I am correcting your misinformed post. The last year 06 was low since DCC was slated at the same time, this year we did well and can be better.
As far as meeting me or knowing what I looked like, my picture has been on this forum for years and there were a couple of very easy ways to contact me at the WCO. 1. Go to the registration desk and ask. 2. Go to the tournament desk and ask. 3. The best way would have been to ask Shane since YOU were driving him? He knows me very well...
What annoys me is when people post misleading or wrong info. For whatever reason they do it, is hard to tell. But after I work as hard as I do to make this event happen, and someone comes in complaining on a thread with the wrong information of the cost entrance fee. it makes me a bit pissy that they post before they know what they are talking about...
I thank you for your comments. I appreciate the time you took to respond.