you know whats funny about these threads is that most people just sit on the sidelines and talk smack about somebody elses contribution,,Patrick Johnson trust me my man anybody that knows me knows that i break like king kong.. so i dont have to bull anybody for internet respect..So that being said heres something else you can bet on since you are a gambling man,,I bet you that i beat Louis Ulrich ..3 to nothing playing one hole in a race to three and his combined score was no more than 8 balls for the whole set...ill bet you that i beat Shannon daulton in a breaking contest at valley forge and my mph was at least 4 to 5 higher that my closest competitor...You see my man anything and everything does happen in pool just because it doesnt happen for you dont make it less true..Matter of fact come to jersey ...me and you can have a break contest and see whats up then champ...Anyway i want to thank all of the other posters who have something positive to add to these threads ..also cudos to the naysayers and knowitalls who make a boring day enjoyable...:smile: