7/9 * 4.5 = 3.5 inch pockets
This fixes pro pool on bar tables
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How about 2.5 inch pockets and we'll just pretend it's Russian Pyramid? Squeezing it in like the table's a homeschooled prom queen.
Nah, for bar-table pro pool the shot clock just needs to be 20 seconds or under.
Even 4 inch pockets would make it a better game for good players..
I think you guys are on to something here....
Im not entirely sure what it is.... but yeah, something.
How about 12 foot tables with 7 inch pockets and used levi denim for cloth so it plays slower than the cheerleader that never stopped clapping even after the pep rally?
Lesh
Im not entirely sure what it is.... but yeah, something.
How about 12 foot tables with 7 inch pockets and used levi denim for cloth so it plays slower than the cheerleader that never stopped clapping even after the pep rally?
Lesh
In my opinion, it's not even pool anymore if pockets are less than 4 1/2 inches on worn cloth and 4 1/4 inches on new cloth. Cheating the pocket is an essential part of the game of pool, as well as being able to hit firm shots down the long rail that can go in.
What's with all the bar table talk on this forum as of late?
The purists are in a frazzle
While we are at it let's take away Mosconi's straight pool run record since it wasn't on a 9 footer
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Plywood, no cloth, 2x4s for rails. No pockets, just cutouts in the corners.
Somebody will get it night in ruts, sooner or later.
Somebody will get it night in ruts, sooner or later.
Bar table shots are shorter and easier, easy enough to cheat even a small pocket
Diamond bar tables, 3.75 inch pockets
It's not pool because it's not "pool" anymore.
It's ping-pong, pachinko.
Today's fast cloth and rails, jump cues, BIH rules, alternate breaks, etc., etc. have made pool into an entirely different game. Bring back the old cloth, get rid of the jump cues and goofy rules and play it like it used to be played.
Pro pool should be played on big tables, not bar tables.
It's ping-pong, pachinko.
Today's fast cloth and rails, jump cues, BIH rules, alternate breaks, etc., etc. have made pool into an entirely different game. Bring back the old cloth, get rid of the jump cues and goofy rules and play it like it used to be played.
Pro pool should be played on big tables, not bar tables.
As the stats prove pro players should be able to play on any table that is twice as long as it is wide. You all may choose to watch it or not that it up to you. Professionals can choose to play pool on the table supplied or not but if they choose not to then they do not get paid. You gotta be in it to win it.
Until there are standards for all the equipment in place and rules that are accepted around the world there is very little chance of pool being recognized as a sport let alone an Olympic sport. That is not likely to happen based on the amount of tables alone in bars that the bar leagues that are pointed towards amateurs and bar flies that would likely not meet up with world standards.
Until there are standards for all the equipment in place and rules that are accepted around the world there is very little chance of pool being recognized as a sport let alone an Olympic sport. That is not likely to happen based on the amount of tables alone in bars that the bar leagues that are pointed towards amateurs and bar flies that would likely not meet up with world standards.
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I don't think many people want to see pro pool played on smaller tables. I believe we all want pool to survive though and the reality is that pool table time should be twenty dollars an hour or more for the floor space a table and room to shoot takes up. A compromise is smaller tables. I think five by ten, pool or snooker, is the best size table. It's big enough to be challenging and small enough that the bridge isn't called into play seemingly every other shot sometimes as twelve foot tables can seem.
However, as a compromise to reduce square footage needed I have been thinking for around ten years that a 3.5x7 table with snooker style pockets might be an acceptable compromise, not something I really want but a cue sport to enjoy for many years into the future. I am trying to locate decent tables near enough to get to for regular play now and over and over I find that somebody tried a nice pool hall a few years ago in one nearby town or city but it's gone now, just couldn't meet the monthly nut. Chinese eight ball may be the future for a lot of reasons, interestingly it is played on exactly the table I have been talking about.
Reducing the pocket size on seven foot tables is a good idea but the math is a little more complicated I believe. Take the pocket size that you like on a nine footer and subtract 2-1/8", the size of a ball. Then run the formula on that number and add the ball size back.
4.5 - 2.125 = 2.375.
2.375 x 7/9 = 1.847 with a little rounding.
1.847" + 2.125" ball diameter = 3.972" new pocket width if my math hasn't missed.
I think the shorter table will still play a little easier than the math indicates so probably reducing the pockets a little more to 3.875", three and seven-eighth, would make the degree of difficulty very close between a nine foot table with four and a half inch pockets and a seven foot table. Might still take a little more tweaking, it will be easy to see when speed ratings are calculated.
This is keeping square pocket corners which I have to say I prefer playing pool. More than anything I would like to see a thriving cue sport and I would accept whatever changes were necessary to get cues back in people's hands and people watching a cue sport on TV so a hundred or two men and that many more women could make a living at it. If that means seven foot tables or seven foot tables with rounded pocket corners I could get used to either one.
Just my 2.276 cents worth, rounded down to two cents even. :thumbup:
Hu
I don't think many people want to see pro pool played on smaller tables. I believe we all want pool to survive though and the reality is that pool table time should be twenty dollars an hour or more for the floor space a table and room to shoot takes up. A compromise is smaller tables. I think five by ten, pool or snooker, is the best size table. It's big enough to be challenging and small enough that the bridge isn't called into play seemingly every other shot sometimes as twelve foot tables can seem.
However, as a compromise to reduce square footage needed I have been thinking for around ten years that a 3.5x7 table with snooker style pockets might be an acceptable compromise, not something I really want but a cue sport to enjoy for many years into the future. I am trying to locate decent tables near enough to get to for regular play now and over and over I find that somebody tried a nice pool hall a few years ago in one nearby town or city but it's gone now, just couldn't meet the monthly nut. Chinese eight ball may be the future for a lot of reasons, interestingly it is played on exactly the table I have been talking about.
Reducing the pocket size on seven foot tables is a good idea but the math is a little more complicated I believe. Take the pocket size that you like on a nine footer and subtract 2-1/8", the size of a ball. Then run the formula on that number and add the ball size back.
4.5 - 2.125 = 2.375.
2.375 x 7/9 = 1.847 with a little rounding.
1.847" + 2.125" ball diameter = 3.972" new pocket width if my math hasn't missed.
I think the shorter table will still play a little easier than the math indicates so probably reducing the pockets a little more to 3.875", three and seven-eighth, would make the degree of difficulty very close between a nine foot table with four and a half inch pockets and a seven foot table. Might still take a little more tweaking, it will be easy to see when speed ratings are calculated.
This is keeping square pocket corners which I have to say I prefer playing pool. More than anything I would like to see a thriving cue sport and I would accept whatever changes were necessary to get cues back in people's hands and people watching a cue sport on TV so a hundred or two men and that many more women could make a living at it. If that means seven foot tables or seven foot tables with rounded pocket corners I could get used to either one.
Just my 2.276 cents worth, rounded down to two cents even. :thumbup:
Hu
Same here Hu...
Anyone should be able to enjoy watching our top players showcase their skills, on any size table! But, until there is an active 'world body' governing the rules, etc., and a functioning Professional Players association, none of those things can ever happen! The chance of pool ever being accepted into the Olympics, can also never happen until the above somehow is put in place!
I also don't think it really matters what game is played, as long as it is fast paced, and easily understood, and can hold even a novice spectators interest. Its a far different world we live in today, then when pool was enjoying its 'glory years', (whenever that was)..There are so many distractions now, all vying for the same viewers time and attention..Pretty tough going up against the NFL, the NBA, or the PGA, not to mention texting, and taking 'selfies'! :embarrassed2:
One has to wonder if pool can ever even come close to competing?..It will probably always be limited, to being enjoyed only by us pool nuts who love the game?..Sadly, there just ain't enough of us to attract TV or big sponsor money
..We need a gimmick, like poker had with 'Hold 'em'!..Any ideas..... anyone? 
PS..IMO, a 'Reality TV' type of presentation will not work for pool!..Doesn't someone try that, about every other week? :sorry:
Anyone should be able to enjoy watching our top players showcase their skills, on any size table! But, until there is an active 'world body' governing the rules, etc., and a functioning Professional Players association, none of those things can ever happen! The chance of pool ever being accepted into the Olympics, can also never happen until the above somehow is put in place!
I also don't think it really matters what game is played, as long as it is fast paced, and easily understood, and can hold even a novice spectators interest. Its a far different world we live in today, then when pool was enjoying its 'glory years', (whenever that was)..There are so many distractions now, all vying for the same viewers time and attention..Pretty tough going up against the NFL, the NBA, or the PGA, not to mention texting, and taking 'selfies'! :embarrassed2:
One has to wonder if pool can ever even come close to competing?..It will probably always be limited, to being enjoyed only by us pool nuts who love the game?..Sadly, there just ain't enough of us to attract TV or big sponsor money
..We need a gimmick, like poker had with 'Hold 'em'!..Any ideas..... anyone? PS..IMO, a 'Reality TV' type of presentation will not work for pool!..Doesn't someone try that, about every other week? :sorry:
Do you think a $20,000 bet match between 4 skill level players In Phoenix & 4 skill level players in Tulsa would get any kind of an streamed audience or paid participation ?
I.E. a 5-6 Speed group, a 7-8 Speed group, a 9-10 Speed group & 11-12 (Pro-Level) Speed group, each level against their competing level (Race to 11) . 3-1 is tie breaker.
A team of 4 players against 4 players.
I.E. a 5-6 Speed group, a 7-8 Speed group, a 9-10 Speed group & 11-12 (Pro-Level) Speed group, each level against their competing level (Race to 11) . 3-1 is tie breaker.
A team of 4 players against 4 players.
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What you've described (aside from the smaller balls) is virtually English Pool. For what its worth (as I mentioned on another thread) you are not the only visionary as a leading UK bookmaker has sponsored the IPA tour over here (here being England).
They don't have the full details up on their website yet, but from youtube it looks like the prize money isn't quite enough to quite your day job just yet, but they seem to be piling on the events and are (importantly) guaranteeing prize funds.
I've always been a bigger fan of your game (US pool), rather than English, but the professional setup of the tour could tempt me out of semi-retirement in a year or two
English 8 ball has snooker like pockets which makes the game quite a bit different than just tight pool pockets.
There are plenty of options out there that don't involve messing around with the equipment. Switch the game to Rotation or Banks. Best pool for spectators can be banks. Plenty tough and fun on any bar table, imo.