this forums is full of experts ....i need help.

[lorider]

My 9 ball break Sucks. It's holding me back from my goal of being an apa 7. What ??? You neber heard of an apa player wanting to go up.?

Well this one does.

The rest of my game sucks also but I feel if j can improve my break it will put me at that level. J know it seems like quite a jump from a 5 i am tired of being called a sandbagger.

Would you believe i have been called a sandbagger my last 3 nine ball matches in a row?

I was called one when i played a 6. I was down 33-12 and came back and won 38-42.


I was called one the next match by a 7 . He had me down 21-9 and i won 38-49

Last night vs a 6..i won the lag and broke dry. He runs the table. I thought ...oh crap...here we go again. After 3 racks i am down 23-7 and win 38-38 called a sandbagger again :frown:.

Like I say my whole game sucks. ..such as ...

Missing with bih trying to get position on my next ball
Ajm is bad cause these 61 year old eyes aint what they use to be.
Poor cue ball control resulting I. Hooking my self...resulting In pulling an efren type shot outa my ass ...raising my opponents eyebrows ..resulting In reinforcing his already clouded opinion I am a sandbagger.

So how bout you experts on here helping .s with my break so j can come outa the gate firing balls in Left and right resulting in my s/l being raised and they might quit calling me a sandbagger...then again they might not.

You know how pool players are...blaming every one but their selves she they lose


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[Neil]

Well, after viewing the video of your break that you posted, (hint, hint), all I can say is try and hit the one solid and make a ball on the break and play position on the one.

(how do you expect anyone to help when they don't know what you are doing??)

 

[mm4pool]

maybe you need a "specialty" cue for the breaks. lol sorry couldnt resist

 

[lorider]

Well, after viewing the video of your break that you posted, (hint, hint), all I can say is try and hit the one solid and make a ball on the break and play position on the one.

(how do you expect anyone to help when they don't know what you are doing??)

I am ignorant when it comes to technological stuff like that but lemme see what I can work out

 

[Tramp Steamer]

If your game sucks, why are you worrying about your break? Just kidding!
For one, take Neil's advice. Two, check in with Mr. Lee, Randy, or one of the other instructors, and see about a tune up.
Also, remember that pool is like any other worthwhile undertaking, so keep working on your fundamentals.
And for God's sake, man, learn One Pocket. You'll thank me, Neil, and Grady, later. :smile:

 

[lorider]

maybe you need a "specialty" cue for the breaks. lol sorry couldnt resist

Well...i might would try to rig something like that up but...i mafraid we got some skippys in our area also


Sorry. I just: couldn't resist:grin-square:

 

[maha]

before you can get better at anything you have to be able to hit the cue ball dead center hard or soft. and hit it straight into the spot you are aiming for.

so to improve your break practice hitting straight on the head ball center ball so the cue ball doesnt go off to the side after it hits the head ball.

only then can you modify your break for the table you are playing on.

 

[lorider]

If your game sucks, why are you worrying about your break? Just kidding!
For one, take Neil's advice. Two, check in with Mr. Lee, Randy, or one of the other instructors, and see about a tune up.
Also, remember that pool is like any other worthwhile undertaking, so keep working on your fundamentals.
And for God's sake, man, learn One Pocket. You'll thank me, Neil, and Grady, later. :smile:

Well my game may not suck as much as I am saying since I usually come back from serious deficits and win against high we ranked players..

But my 9 ball break realm sucks. Like I said ..break dry ..my opponents runs an easy table. If j make some thing the next ball is damn new impossible to make contact with.

I have taken an all day lesson once with Randy g

 

[PocketPooler]

Well my game may not suck as much as I am saying since I usually come back from serious deficits and win against high we ranked players..

But my 9 ball break realm sucks. Like I said ..break dry ..my opponents runs an easy table. If j make some thing the next ball is damn new impossible to make contact with.

I have taken an all day lesson once with Randy g

When i was struggling with my break, i took a few mph off my break, left alot of balls up table, hoped for some jam ups and safed the crap out of my opponent. Worked well for me when needed. Beside the obvious of keeping my opponent from making easy shots, there's a huge psychological advantage to it as well, just dont lose control of the table.

 

[michael4]

mix up your breaks, see what works, try hitting softer (as mentioned), try hitting from the other side, or from different locations

watch what players are doing (on the tables you play at) that are getting the results you want to have, copy them.......(note what works on some tables doesn't always work on other tables)

try a lighter or heavier cue.....

 

[Celophanewrap]

The APA break can be a tough one, on the Valleys it can be almost impossible to get a consistent rack or even to make sure it's in the correct spot. You might think about changing it up if it ain't working. Try to break from the other side of the table, turn your back foot in, square up your hips a little, just try to change it up a little. After that starts working for you You caM work aaa little on yoi ur TyPing

 

[greyghost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUwd1eSwboo&ab_channel=GreyghostPool


its a really good break onthe BB especially.....leg kick and lunges or not....

i can smash the crap out of a rack on the BB using this break, one ducks out side leaves me shot in corner.....

or if they are dumb and its rack your own, just duck off the side rail with some TOI like an 8 ball cut break off the one, put the 2 right behind it, shoot with draw inside from same side as two ball....it will squat back off side rail....one goes to corner again. two stays on same side...

now you can know where the one and two are after the wing ball....

^^^why many espec on BB, play 2 ball in back.

shane employs similar theory in his 9 ball break, playing for position on the one.....so did Mike Seigel.

regards,
me and my hat

 

[lorider]

The APA break can be a tough one, on the Valleys it can be almost impossible to get a consistent rack or even to make sure it's in the correct spot. You might think about changing it up if it ain't working. Try to break from the other side of the table, turn your back foot in, square up your hips a little, just try to change it up a little. After that starts working for you You caM work aaa little on yoi ur TyPing

Well heck...i was wondering when some one was going to get around to mentioning my typing....it ain't me...its this dang phone. G/ f left and so did the computer...

Going to start looking over my post before I hit submit so you don't have to rack your brains trying to interpret my typing.:grin:

Now about my break...

Tonight is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I win the lag. 1st break is dry. My opponent has an easy shot at the one. Makes a few more then I run the rest.

2nd rack..lo and behold I made a ball. I run all the way down to the 9. As I get down to shoot it...oh crap...classic mistake. I am thinking...hey I got a break and run going here and over cut it lol.

My opponent who is a 4 breaks and makes 2 balls.

Wel to shorten this story... My opponent is a 4 and he broke 4 times and made 2 balls every time. And he had a shot at the next ball every time.

Well I went on to win.,barely but the thing is of i had his break and looking over the table after his breaks I know I could have run 2 of them and possibly a 3rd.

Btw..yes I have tried several locations and several speeds. The 4 was breaking with an Alex brick just like mine.guess I am going to swallow my pride and ask a lowly 4 for advice on breaking :grin-square:

 

[Neil]

Well heck...i was wondering when some one was going to get around to mentioning my typing....it ain't me...its this dang phone. G/ f left and so did the computer...

Going to start looking over my post before I hit submit so you don't have to rack your brains trying to interpret my typing.:grin:

Now about my break...

Tonight is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I win the lag. 1st break is dry. My opponent has an easy shot at the one. Makes a few more then I run the rest.

2nd rack..lo and behold I made a ball. I run all the way down to the 9. As I get down to shoot it...oh crap...classic mistake. I am thinking...hey I got a break and run going here and over cut it lol.

My opponent who is a 4 breaks and makes 2 balls.

Wel to shorten this story... My opponent is a 4 and he broke 4 times and made 2 balls every time. And he had a shot at the next ball every time.

Well I went on to win.,barely but the thing is of i had his break and looking over the table after his breaks I know I could have run 2 of them and possibly a 3rd.

Btw..yes I have tried several locations and several speeds. The 4 was breaking with an Alex brick just like mine.guess I am going to swallow my pride and ask a lowly 4 for advice on breaking :grin-square:

Who is doing the racking? Is he getting good racks, and you are getting slug racks?

 

[TATE]

Who is doing the racking? Is he getting good racks, and you are getting slug racks?

This is where to start. Basically, a bad rack cannot be broken up consistently well. So that's the start. Practice racking perfectly and breaking it up. If the balls don't spread from a center ball hit, the rack is not frozen.

If the rack is frozen, the break is simple. Cue ball positioned near the side and shoot straight into the one with center ball. That sends the corner ball to the corner and the one ball toward the side pocket. The shot is a powerful center ball stop shot on the one. Start with a medium stroke and work your way up from there. The cue ball should do nothing, no side, follow or draw, but only react to the impact with the rack.

One tip I can give is bridging off the rail makes the shot more difficult than bridging on the bed. It's easier to deliver the cue from a more level position. So I would start there.

 

[WillyCornbread]

APA Break

The APA equipment and rules piss me off so bad when breaking. It's nearly impossible to get a consistent tight rack on crappy valley tables with balls that are worn down - then the fact that there is no pushout is ridiculous.

I played last night and ended a 10 match win streak because I broke well enough to give a nice spread, but hooked myself horribly every time and got to watch a 4 running out on me

b

 

[ceebee]

Here is your answer....

 

[zpele]

In all honesty... If you feel there are other areas you need to improve on- work on those first. If you develop a good break before these other areas all you are doing is giving your opponent a nice open table to run out.

Keeping the above in mind- breaking is a trick shot that is dependent on your body type. If you watch the pros they all break a little bit different and there is a large variety of techniques. The break is one of those shots that you just have to practice over and over and there is no shortcut. I would suggest trying the cut break as it can be adapted to various tables depending on how the table is racking. Just make sure you have a tight rack- no matter how good you are if the rack isn't tight you will never see good results.

 

[PhilosopherKing]

My 9 ball break Sucks. It's holding me back from my goal of being an apa 7. What ??? You neber heard of an apa player wanting to go up.?

Well this one does.

The rest of my game sucks also but I feel if j can improve my break it will put me at that level. J know it seems like quite a jump from a 5 i am tired of being called a sandbagger.

Would you believe i have been called a sandbagger my last 3 nine ball matches in a row?

I was called one when i played a 6. I was down 33-12 and came back and won 38-42.


I was called one the next match by a 7 . He had me down 21-9 and i won 38-49

Last night vs a 6..i won the lag and broke dry. He runs the table. I thought ...oh crap...here we go again. After 3 racks i am down 23-7 and win 38-38 called a sandbagger again :frown:.

Like I say my whole game sucks. ..such as ...

Missing with bih trying to get position on my next ball
Ajm is bad cause these 61 year old eyes aint what they use to be.
Poor cue ball control resulting I. Hooking my self...resulting In pulling an efren type shot outa my ass ...raising my opponents eyebrows ..resulting In reinforcing his already clouded opinion I am a sandbagger.

So how bout you experts on here helping .s with my break so j can come outa the gate firing balls in Left and right resulting in my s/l being raised and they might quit calling me a sandbagger...then again they might not.

You know how pool players are...blaming every one but their selves she they lose


..

I'd start by experimenting with breaking from the side rail and making the one in the opposite side pocket with as controlled a stroke as possible. (You may be able to modify the break to make the wing ball and have the one go a little high of the side pocket with shape.)

Then, I'd get Joe Tucker's racking stuff and a Magic Rack.

If you can't get a good rack, you could try the break where you skim the one from the side and try coming one rail into the 9-ball.

 

[Scott Lee]

What???? No...the break is a high speed stop shot that anyone with any body type can learn to be accurate and repeatable with. I think Neil & TATE's posts hold the biggest clues. You can have a great break stroke (which CeeBee's Break Rak will help you achieve), but if you're getting poor racking, on purpose or not, it will have a significant effect on a predictable outcome. I tell most people to back off on how hard they're breaking. That is another good place to start.

Scott Lee
http//poolknowledge.com

breaking is a trick shot that is dependent on your body type.