THIS is what pool needs more of

Indeed.



You consider Earl charismatic? Interesting.




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I find Earl to be charismatic, and entertaining.

Sadly, he goes too far. If he could possibly reign it in enough that he wasn't a disruption, he could very well be a force to drive pools popularity. Unfortunately, because he goes too far, we will never see that.
 
So you want to jump from one manufactured extreem to the other huh?

You are all against letting them be themselves.


Be themselves? LOL!

No, I am not against such a thing at all.

I also recognize that "just being yourself" isn't necessarily a positive thing.




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I find Earl to be charismatic, and entertaining.

Sadly, he goes too far. If he could possibly reign it in enough that he wasn't a disruption, he could very well be a force to drive pools popularity. Unfortunately, because he goes too far, we will never see that.



OK.

I just don't see him as charming or compelling of devotion. In fact I would say he is the opposite of charismatic.

Entertaining? Sure.


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justa suggestion

Question: Would cheerleaders generate an equal or greater increase?


Actually, I have no doubt that the two combined would be best! Earl dressed in a cheerleader outfit would definitely attract the most attention.
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Ok, 1st,.... tnx for bursting my bubble with that great imagery ! (with or w/o those geriatric glasses?!?) <----- wait !!!! Don't go there! :eek::eek:

Besides trying to bring a smile to everyone, I was trying to make a point. If you have ever taken business marketing , you would know that SEX SELLS !
Get the women interested in pool! Men already are as it is a predominantly male sport/game. (not trying to be sexist here, just looking at it from statistics) More men will follow,........ thus attracting money (promoters), and the snowball grows as it rolls downhill. Let them woof it up in public, make it like wrestling. You'll have every male full of hormones age 8 -16 thinking about pool. Make it glamorous/dangerous. Let the mob be a sponsor! :p Hold tourneys at casinos........ wait they already do that.....:D
 
I'm not so sure that is the way to go. Sure a certain amount of money is nice, but I would hate to see pool turn into a league like the NFL, NBA, or MLB.

You mean gain world recognition, universal acceptance, staggering ratings on t.v., children encouraged to play from the earliest ages, massive revenues, and the opportunity for talented individuals to make more than the average janitor?

Sounds awful.......
 
Pool Leagues

I'm not so sure that is the way to go. Sure a certain amount of money is nice, but I would hate to see pool turn into a league like the NFL, NBA, or MLB.

Chris,
I agree that pool leagues have caused some problems but I dont ever see anything happening on the level where one could compare them to the NFL, NBA or MLB.

My concern is the concern of the industry. There are really not many new players being generated. This is evident in home billiard product sales. Many of the companies really dont make money selling to pool rooms. Where they make a lot of there money is in home billiard room products.

So I think pools problem is much deeper than a lot of folks come into contact with on a day to day basis.

No new players means eventually no pool. If you figure out how to make new players, then youre really doing something.
 
Chris,
I agree that pool leagues have caused some problems but I dont ever see anything happening on the level where one could compare them to the NFL, NBA or MLB.

My concern is the concern of the industry. There are really not many new players being generated. This is evident in home billiard product sales. Many of the companies really dont make money selling to pool rooms. Where they make a lot of there money is in home billiard room products.

So I think pools problem is much deeper than a lot of folks come into contact with on a day to day basis.

No new players means eventually no pool. If you figure out how to make new players, then youre really doing something.

Pool has two main problems everything else stems from.

1: exposure to young children

2: the immediate feedback received on a pool table. (i'll explain this more)

When it comes to exposure, most children do not see a pool table until they are between 18 and 21. Yes I know a lot of us started playing earlier, but remember that is the exception, not the norm. This is a website dedicated to pool players, thus the people here and their opinions generally are not a good sample for the general population.

Children start playing baseball, football, basketball, etc at a very young age. Most will not become anything of note within one of theses sports, but leagues make it possible for them to play the sport they love well into high school years. Even when they move on with their lives in some other way they still have a deep seeded love for whichever game/sport and continue to feed this love through spectatorship.

Pool on the other hand, most people are not exposed to until they become legal age to enter a bar/pool room. They have not developed a passion from childhood as they did with other sports/games. This also subconsciously associates pool with adult behavior such as drinking and bars.

"But what about games like poker, children are not exposed to poker until they are legal gambling age."

That brings me to point number 2. Immediate feedback from a pool table. When you play pool, its immediately show whether or not you are playing well. Its pretty simple, if the balls aren't going in the hole, you're not playing very well......and it shows.

This causes a very polarizing effect. Either someone decides this is a wonderful game they would love to get better at, and they start playing a lot of pool. Or, they decide pool is a hard, stupid game, only reserved for drunken nights out with their friends. I'll give you one guess which option is the most popular.

Conversely on a poker table, it is not readily visible to the untrained eye when someone is playing bad. "Luck" seems to be the reason someone is losing. Obviously this is not the case as poker has as much skill involved as anything else.....but the point is, the skill involved is not readily observable to the general population. This also convinces people they have a shot beating professional poker players, a thought that never crosses the amateur pool player's mind.

Unfortunately there is really no feasible way to change either of these facts.

When it comes to sports/games and getting money involved, one of two things must happen. Mainstream sponsorship, which comes from mainstream involvement from the general population(point 1), or tens of thousands of people putting up their own money to compete(such as poker) which they will only do if they feel they have some sort of legitimate chance.(point 2)
 
Ok, after looking up charismatic in the dictionary, I have to concede that I may have gone a bit overboard classifying Earl as charismatic. However, he definately is entertaining, he draws crowds, excites the fans - and pool does need more of that. Perhaps I can refocus the question and ask - who do you think is a good example of a professional pool player that fits the model in question? One that immediately comes to mind is alex pagulayan. I think he is talented, respectful, and exciting to the fans. I think he draws the crowd in by simply being who he is. I really enjoy attending his matches.

Steve
 
I agree!

On the recent TAR podcast Darren said something to the effect that Earl was the player he most remembered from the US. There is a reason for that.

Of course there is only one Earl, but I think that today there are personalities that could attract much more attention to the sport and generate many more fans if they were anble to be themselves. This need for pool players to present themselves as total gentlemen 100% of the time is boring.

I say let the players play, and show the woofing and some action on tv too or in live streams.
Villains are always remembered,history proves that.In pool there's a fine line between someone being a character
and someone who is disrespectful to the game.
Earl can be very entertaining but has crossed the line on countless
occasions.
 
I like to see the emotion. I hate robots. I like to see b players gambling with there own money. I know when i play i must be entertaining . I can play for 20 dollars And feel like I'm playing for the US Open.
 
I have only three things to say on the subject of Earl Strickland:

1.) He is a great pool player.

2.) I cannot support any poolplayer who has any "give up" in their game. I want to support a player that fights 'til the end no matter what the score/circumstance. C'mon, you've all seen it. He gets to the table, behind in a match, is hooked after a bad roll and takes a half-assed swing at the cueball with no purpose to the outcome of the shot. Or, starts moping around the table not putting forth his best effort. Is that the kind of player you want to support for a Mosconi Cup Team??? Not me. Not ever. Give me the "fight 'til the death" player anytime!!! (FTR, I saw SVB go into "give up" mode in the TAR match against Earl on the 10-footer and needless to say, I was sorely disappointed in him. I hope he never does that again. It ain't pretty to watch).

3.) If I were ever in the stands watching an Earl match, and he dogged a shot and turned to me (or a family member) and said something to the effect of blaming me (or one of my family members) for the miss, following this action with using slanderous/disparaging remarks aimed directly at me or my family, one of two things would happen: 1.) I would have to be totally restrained and physically removed form the building, or 2.) I would end up in jail under assault charges and be headline news here on AZB :thumbup:. I've seen the way he talks to some folks in the crowd, many who are completely innocent, and it's just unacceptable behaviour for ANY sport.

Maniac (a fan of Earl's abilities, but not his mannerisms)
 
I agree that there needs to be some more character for pool, especially televised pool. Poker is being used as an example and let's face it, some of the most popular names in poker are not only because they are good players but also because they have more character than a robot.

Tennis and golf as well. Tiger normally is very reserved but when he drops a ball in the cup from 5 yards off the green to win a tournament he reacts like any person should. I'm excited because he's excited, we empathize with players of any sport that react the way we would. They don't need to jump up and down on the tables or scream at the spectators but some reaction would be nice.

I like to watch jeanette play.
 
I agree that there needs to be some more character for pool, especially televised pool. Poker is being used as an example and let's face it, some of the most popular names in poker are not only because they are good players but also because they have more character than a robot.

Tennis and golf as well. Tiger normally is very reserved but when he drops a ball in the cup from 5 yards off the green to win a tournament he reacts like any person should. I'm excited because he's excited, we empathize with players of any sport that react the way we would. They don't need to jump up and down on the tables or scream at the spectators but some reaction would be nice.

I like to watch jeanette play.

All the character in the world doesn't get people in the seats and behind the t.v. All the above mentioned games/sports had a fan base to start with before people were introduced to the characters. Characters keep people interested, but there has to be an interest first. Unfortunately pool doesn't really have the dynamics to interest the general population.

Even on a logistical level pool is just terrible for recreation facilites. A baseball field can double as softball, sometimes football. A football field is similiar and can be used for soccer and most have a track surrounding them. Indoor basketball courts are used as gymnasiums for grade school P.E. classes.

Pool......would just be a bunch of pool tables taking up a room that wouldn't really be used as much else without having to set up and remove table top assemblies.

The list goes on and on why pool is just a poor business model for success just by its own existence without any negative outside influences.
 
Question: Would cheerleaders generate an equal or greater increase?


Actually, I have no doubt that the two combined would be best! Earl dressed in a cheerleader outfit would definitely attract the most attention.

Wait! It could be even better! Earl, dressed in a cheerleader outfit, snaps his cue in half and plunges the broken end into the neck of his opponent. That would attract even more attention!

Wait! It could be even better! Dress all the US players up like cheerleaders and make it a cage match instead of a pool tournament! Yeah! That's it! :thumbup:



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just tell Earl he'll pick up 3mph on his break if he does!

I think Earl is great, but he needs to play his way on like every one else should! If Earl could get his act together he still obviously has the talent to play in a VERY HIGH GEAR!

That doesn't change the fact he should have to play his way in. So should Johny, Shane, Shuff, Mike D., and any one else!!!


best,

Justin
 
Ok, after looking up charismatic in the dictionary, I have to concede that I may have gone a bit overboard classifying Earl as charismatic. However, he definately is entertaining, he draws crowds, excites the fans - and pool does need more of that. Perhaps I can refocus the question and ask - who do you think is a good example of a professional pool player that fits the model in question? One that immediately comes to mind is alex pagulayan. I think he is talented, respectful, and exciting to the fans. I think he draws the crowd in by simply being who he is. I really enjoy attending his matches.

Steve

Alex is definitely entertaining & interacts well with the crowd. Rodney Morris is another one that comes to mind that interacts & gets the crowd involved.
 
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