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Gsitz89

Gsitz89

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I showed this video to some buddys and they swear it cannot be down. Just curios if it is actually possible. Bob you can chime in too! And maybe elaborate how to do it so I can put someones foot in their mouth. http://youtu.be/GaSKh1PSqok
 
i saw that video about 2 years ago and i tried it at the pool hall. couldn't get it, but im sure it's possible. maybe now that i am a better player (i assume after 2 years of playing), i could give it another try? ill try it next time i get to the pool hall..gl
 
I think it could be done. I did a very similar shot in a game of one pocket about a week ago. I was left with the cue ball about two or three diamonds from the bottom rail on my side of the table. The other guy had alot of balls on his side and I could not see a clear shot at any of the balls except for the ball that was on the spot. I loaded up some spin and went for broke. I hit it about medium speed but it had enough torque to get the ball from the spot to slowly drop in my pocket. Was it a 90 degree shot, maybe even a 110 degree shot, I don't know but it really broke the spirit of the other guy.

But do not expect me to do that shot again.
 
Gsitz89 said:
I showed this video to some buddys and they swear it cannot be down. Just curios if it is actually possible. Bob you can chime in too! And maybe elaborate how to do it so I can put someones foot in their mouth. http://youtu.be/GaSKh1PSqok
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It can certainly be done, since Bob did it... And he can repeat it, but of course it's not easy. Also, more impressive, is that particular table has tightly shimmed pockets, so he's not cutting at 88.5 or 89 degrees... It's a solid 90-degree shot.

I can't do it myself, but I think that he's giving the cue ball some serious left, which will cancel the left throw on the object ball, induced by such a thin cut on the object ball, and actually (hopefully) throw the object ball to the right of it's normal line which adds to the sharpness of the angle of the cut. These effects will, in theory, allow the shooter to cut the object ball a hair thicker, which will give it a little more speed to make it to the pocket, and still result in a 90-degree cut.

Hopefully that all made sense, and hopefully I didn't get my rights and lefts mixed up :)
 
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Gsitz89 said:
I showed this video to some buddys and they swear it cannot be down. Just curios if it is actually possible. Bob you can chime in too! And maybe elaborate how to do it so I can put someones foot in their mouth. http://youtu.be/GaSKh1PSqok
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that shots doable. aim to hit theball as thin as you can. then aim to miss it by just a hair. pivot over and overload the CB with outside english and shoot. it goes
 
Absolutely possible.

Combination of swerve and throw...and of course hair splitting precision. ;)
 
Gsitz89 said:
I showed this video to some buddys and they swear it cannot be down. Just curios if it is actually possible. Bob you can chime in too! And maybe elaborate how to do it so I can put someones foot in their mouth. http://youtu.be/GaSKh1PSqok
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The shot is similar to Joe Tucker's demo of Vernon Elliott's bank shot in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-vXWEA_TU which is shown in high-speed video by Dr. Dave in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJSVWvn_gpA

Both of the shots require dirty balls, or at least balls that are not freshly cleaned and polished. I've played in pool halls where all the balls would work find for these shots.

The trick is that when the cue ball strikes the object ball, the point on the cue ball that touches the object ball has to be moving backward. This is not just a little "outside" spin. This is more side spin than 99.9% of pool players ever put on the cue ball (at least intentionally). Without that much spin, the ball cannot be thrown backward.

The shot is not actually the thinnest possible cut -- you have to hit the ball thinly but not paper thin. In Dr. Dave's video, you can see the angle that the cue ball takes coming off the object ball and that tells you directly how much of the ball was struck. You can also see that the object ball is moving back up the table (a little).

The actual cut angle on the spot shot in Peer Landa's video is about 93 degrees. One of the shots in that video is hit too thinly and the object ball goes towards a spot about half a diamond from the pocket on the tough side, but it only goes about a foot.

If someone wants to bet, this is a one hour shot for me. I get an hour and you don't get to complain about the cleanliness of the balls. The fewest tries it ever took me was two. That time, BumpyPickle complained to me that his arm was sore from having tried the shot for over an hour, and asked me to show him the shot again. Like most shots, it's easier if you visualize and don't think.
 
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that shots doable. aim to hit theball as thin as you can. then aim to miss it by just a hair. pivot over and overload the CB with outside english and shoot. it goes
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No, it is not the thinnest possible hit. The spin is the trick.
 
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... Also, more impressive, is that particular table has tightly shimmed pockets, so he's not cutting at 88.5 or 89 degrees... It's a solid 90-degree shot....
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Actually, about 93 degrees. Here is a video that shows the pockets on that table (#4): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2enopvFnTno

The angle between the cue ball's path and the object ball would be 90 degrees if the cue ball were coming straight at the object ball on the spot (45 +45), but to make the cut, the cue ball has to be shot up-table a little. Also the cue ball is not exactly in the jaws, but has been moved from centered in the jaws straight towards the object ball. That makes the cut angle slightly worse.

The shot is slightly embarrassing since a year or so before I wrote a column in which I claimed that 80 degrees was the thinnest practical shot.

Here is the follow-up article in which I discuss the cut and the bank: http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2007-06.pdf

It begins:

If you hang around poolhalls — and what well-educated, adventurous person does
not? — you will hear about proposition shots that seem to be impossible. Efren or
Clem or Wimpy is said to have made the cue ball dance in a star pattern or to have
jumped an object ball over five tables to go five more cushions into the side pocket.
If you run into some one claiming to be able to do such a shot, if the money's right
and attempts plentiful, you should be fairly certain that the shot is to be made. The
only question is whether the entertainment is worth the price. Keep a firm hand on
your wallet and remember the advice Sky Masterson recalls his father giving him in "Guys and Dolls" :

"One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to come to
you and show you a nice, brand new deck of cards on which the
seal has not yet been broken. This man is going to offer to bet
you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of the deck
and squirt cider in your ear. Now son, do not bet this man, for
as sure as you stand there, you are going to wind up with an
earful of cider."​
 
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yes it is obviously possible on a cut that thin there is virtually no cut induced throw so if hit just soft enough to get maximum spin transfer with a load of outside english the ball can be thrown into pocket. It is however a stroke shot that requires a load of spin, at least it looks that way in the video.
 
Gsitz89 said:
I showed this video to some buddys and they swear it cannot be down. Just curios if it is actually possible. Bob you can chime in too! And maybe elaborate how to do it so I can put someones foot in their mouth. http://youtu.be/GaSKh1PSqok
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They watched the video of him performing the shot and still didn't believe it?

It's a tough shot but I can do it.... I saw it for the first time on Bob's video as well.

Here's another tough one Shannon Daulton showed me... I've actually over-cut this bank by almost a diamond before.

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this shot

that was one of many prop shots for bobby leggs. i have seen him make that shot 7 out of 10 times. you could bet what you wanted. even after he did it you still did not believe it could be done so effortlessly
 
Is this actually a threaded question? lol No offense but he made the shot, dosent matter if no one else makes it, even in their entire life of trying. All's it took was once to turn the so called impossible into possible.

-JD
 
HueblerHustler7 said:
Is this actually a threaded question? lol No offense but he made the shot, dosent matter if no one else makes it, even in their entire life of trying. All's it took was once to turn the so called impossible into possible.

-JD
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Agreed, just because they couldn't perform the shot they had to dismiss it as impossible to better cope with their own shortcomings.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -George Bernard Shaw
 
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