This shot?

Bob Jewett said:
The shot is similar to Joe Tucker's demo of Vernon Elliott's bank shot in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-vXWEA_TU which is shown in high-speed video by Dr. Dave in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJSVWvn_gpA

Both of the shots require dirty balls, or at least balls that are not freshly cleaned and polished. I've played in pool halls where all the balls would work find for these shots.

The trick is that when the cue ball strikes the object ball, the point on the cue ball that touches the object ball has to be moving backward. This is not just a little "outside" spin. This is more side spin than 99.9% of pool players ever put on the cue ball (at least intentionally). Without that much spin, the ball cannot be thrown backward.

The shot is not actually the thinnest possible cut -- you have to hit the ball thinly but not paper thin. In Dr. Dave's video, you can see the angle that the cue ball takes coming off the object ball and that tells you directly how much of the ball was struck. You can also see that the object ball is moving back up the table (a little).

The actual cut angle on the spot shot in Peer Landa's video is about 93 degrees. One of the shots in that video is hit too thinly and the object ball goes towards a spot about half a diamond from the pocket on the tough side, but it only goes about a foot.

If someone wants to bet, this is a one hour shot for me. I get an hour and you don't get to complain about the cleanliness of the balls. The fewest tries it ever took me was two. That time, BumpyPickle complained to me that his arm was sore from having tried the shot for over an hour, and asked me to show him the shot again. Like most shots, it's easier if you visualize and don't think.
Click to expand...

Can we make a bet that includes a ten minute forage through your briefcase?
 
bmoretallpaul said:
that was one of many prop shots for bobby leggs. i have seen him make that shot 7 out of 10 times. you could bet what you wanted. even after he did it you still did not believe it could be done so effortlessly
Click to expand...

One thing I can personally vouch for was when Bobby was with us, he could REALLY spin his rock. :cool:
 
I tried it, couldn't make it. Shot it about 15 times and the closest I got was 1/2 diamond away from the pocket.

I might be able to make it if I tried it for longer, not sure though. That's a tough cut.
 
JoeyA said:
Can we make a bet that includes a ten minute forage through your briefcase?
Click to expand...

Sorry, Joey, all of the cash has been removed and converted into gold bars which are stored out of the country. All that remains is an Altoids tin, a program from the Mosconi Cup, and a dried-out Sharpie. You are certainly welcome to all of those.
 
brandoncook26 said:
I tried it, couldn't make it. Shot it about 15 times and the closest I got was 1/2 diamond away from the pocket.

I might be able to make it if I tried it for longer, not sure though. That's a tough cut.
Click to expand...
An easier setup that is the same cut more or less is to put the cue ball on the head spot, the object ball on the center spot (right between the side pockets) and cut the ball into one of the sides. This allows you to keep your cue more level.
 
Bob Jewett said:
An easier setup that is the same cut more or less is to put the cue ball on the head spot, the object ball on the center spot (right between the side pockets) and cut the ball into one of the sides. This allows you to keep your cue more level.
Click to expand...

Bob,

For a 90 degree cut wouldn't the object ball need to be one ball to the side of the spot. As shown below, the spot cut would be 90 degree, but the shot you are describing above would be more than 90.

CueTable Help

 
branpureza...You got a bet...but you only get 10 tries! :D If you're interested, we could match up in VA in two weeks! Also, the cutback bank is much easier, as you're able to transfer a ton of spin to a ball frozen on the rail. Bob's cut shot is definitely more pure, and difficult. I've gotten as close as he did, in the video, when he hit the rail about 3-4" short of the pocket. I was in a Tulsa poolroom 10 days ago, and showing them that shot. They also claimed it was impossible. I told them to google Bob Jewett and they could see for themselves. Great shot Bob! :thumbup:

branpureza said:
They watched the video of him performing the shot and still didn't believe it?

It's a tough shot but I can do it.... I saw it for the first time on Bob's video as well.

Here's another tough one Shannon Daulton showed me... I've actually over-cut this bank by almost a diamond before.

toughbank.jpg
Click to expand...
 
Scott Lee said:
branpureza...You got a bet...but you only get 10 tries! :D If you're interested, we could match up in VA in two weeks! Also, the cutback bank is much easier, as you're able to transfer a ton of spin to a ball frozen on the rail. Bob's cut shot is definitely more pure, and difficult. I've gotten as close as he did, in the video, when he hit the rail about 3-4" short of the pocket. I was in a Tulsa poolroom 10 days ago, and showing them that shot. They also claimed it was impossible. I told them to google Bob Jewett and they could see for themselves. Great shot Bob! :thumbup:
Click to expand...



I can't do it in 10 tries... it's more of a 1 in 50 type of shot. Nice try though! Haha.
 
branpureza said:
Agreed, just because they couldn't perform the shot they had to dismiss it as impossible to better cope with their own shortcomings.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -George Bernard Shaw
Click to expand...

Great Quote, It's truly brought my mind into more complex thinking on how some pool players minds might work, this should be interesting when I go shoot tonight :thumbup:

-JD
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top