Thoughts on wearing an ipod

My apologies for the small novel written in response…

Sometimes I start typing and I don't know when to stop. Anyway...

I used to use ipods during competitive play. However, I never had the earbuds that you see most people use with ipods. Instead, I had the big headphones that cover the entire ear. I did that for two reasons; because it drowned out the outside noise more effectively, and because they stayed on my head better than any of my earbuds, which kept falling out of my ears (I guess my ears weren’t made for the earbuds). I stopped using my ipod during play altogether when I realized that those big headphones were like an oven during competitive play; my whole face would be red and sweaty by the time I finished a single race to five. Anyway, how I weigh in on ipods during competition:

I don’t believe that ipod usage during competition is a negative thing. I don’t see how I would need one during higher level competitions (I’ve played in a couple of pro-am events and found that I get by just fine without one…that was when I was used to play with an ipod). I also didn’t need one when I was gambling with certain people (people who understood and practiced proper etiquette). However, at weekly handicapped tournaments or while playing those players that don’t really know or use proper etiquette, I usually find that the ipod is quite useful for a number of reasons. For the people who insist on whining aloud or constantly talking even when I’m at the table, the ipod provides me the luxury of tuning them out. Then you have players who are nice people just looking to have fun and not really in it to win it. These are the people who aren’t deliberately trying to shark you, but because they don’t know any better, they’ll stand right next to you and try to strike up a conversation when you’re down on the game ball (I’m sure you’ve all seen these folks around at your weekly tournaments). For these people, the ipod cuts off social accessibility and will discourage them from approaching you for long conversations at inopportune times (like in the middle of your match). Some would prefer to simply tell these people to sit down and be quiet, but at a lower-level tournament, that kind of behavior would most likely not be well-received, even though you would be well within your rights to do so.

That being said, I do believe that there are certain responsibilities that you need to take on if you choose to compete using an ipod. For instance, when I used to play with an ipod, I would do everything I could to make it so that my opponent never needed to ask a question. If I fouled, I would pick the cue ball up, hand it to my opponent, and say “ball-in-hand”. This would take away any uncertainty as to whether or not I fouled. If I believe my opponent fouled, but I’m unsure, I would always free an ear from my ipod before asking for clarification. The same would hold true if I were to ask any question to my opponent. After each rack, I would look at the score and re-state it to my opponent while making eye contact before the next rack began. That would eliminate the need for score questions during the middle of a rack (as an added bonus, I found that disputes over the score completely disappeared when the score was announced after each rack).

Another important thing to understand as an ipod user is that if you use an ipod and there is a dispute over what was/wasn’t called or said, then you can expect to lose them unless there is a referee watching the shot. The reason for this is that your ability to hear someone speaking can always be called into question because you have something on or in your ears. It should be your responsibility as the ipod user to understand this and prevent any disputes from occurring to protect yourself and justify your use of the ipod.

The same holds true for people who like to wear ear plugs or have a hearing aid that’s turned off. I think I can refer to Dennis Hatch and Shane Van Boening as examples. I’ve only seen them play a handful of times, but I’m fairly positive that because they wear ear plugs or turn hearing aids down, they are extra careful to make sure that any questionable calls are clarified and any necessary information exchange takes place. Furthermore, they don’t expect their opponent to clarify the shots on their own accord, but instead they are proactive in seeking clarification before the cue ball is struck. This is because they understand that they are affording themselves a certain luxury when they take extra measures to drown out noise that might negatively affect their play and in taking that luxury, they can negatively impact the match if disputes arise because they didn’t hear something that they needed to hear.

I guess the best way to summarize this whole thing is to say that there is acertain etiquette in playing with ipods or ear plugs or anything that negatively impacts hearing. People need to know what that etiquette is before considering using them.
 
I've never seen any serious problems, like a guy freaking out because he didn't hear someone say "ball in hand?" just before I grabbed the cue ball. If I think the other guy isn't paying attention to what I say, and he's using the music as an excuse to ignore me... I will walk up and pretty much be an ass:

"FOUL?" "BALL IN HAND?"

I think people like the one Richardson describes must be kind of dumb and antisocial anyway. If he didn't have the ipod, he'd find some other way to be a pain in your ass. That's the way some people are built.

As for a player being mentally weak if they can't perform without it...

I know a few who will say they like to have one, and a few who say it helps to have one... but I never met anyone who says they NEED to have one. I guess for the very rare cases that a guy can't play at full speed without it, it could be seen as a crutch. But what kind of player am I if I need to take his crutch away in order to beat him? The way I see it, I should be able to win whether he's getting help from the music or not.

I dnt play people that i have to raise my voice too, except SVB and he cant hear(I think he hears better than he lets on sometimes), :thumbup:

i play guys that will call a foul on themselfs as I do
 
Quick question, are you really playing anybody when you step up to the table or sit down to watch the other guy shoot?

I see where you're coming from but there is a certain level of communication required when playing competitively. I respect my competitor enough to pay attention when they are shooting and to listen to them when they need to communicate with me. I expect the same. I find it incredibly frustrating having to repeat myself two or three times because someone isn't paying attention or can't hear. It distracting. If I can't effectively communicate I'll quit trying because they really aren't either. I guess it comes to down the fact that I put a lot of attention into my game and my opponent while playing. It puts me off when I don't get the same in return. I perceive that as a mutual respect issue.
 
i would be curious to see if all the people on here that oppose ipods even play in open tournaments, or just railbirds that never play.

i have used an ipod on and off for a few years and i have never had one incident regarding a hit or a disagreement, i know the seminole tour allows them and i cant think of one incident.

To say it is a crutch is ridiculous and prolly posted by someone that does not play much pool.

What wrong with having consistent conditions from match to match , from tables to balls to lights to music
 
I think it's disrespectful of your opponent in competition and show a lack of respect for the game. When was the last time you saw someone at any serious level of competition wearing an mp3 player.

You've got the wrong idea on the way it's being used Beer... tiger doesn't rock out to slayer because it would distract him. He wants quiet. The ref with the huge "QUIET" sign makes sure the crowd knows it too.

But that's golf. It's played outdoors where you don't have jukeboxes. Many pool players, for whatever reason, want music. They're so used to the pool room jukebox, it feels "too quiet" if they don't have it.

I had an ex that used to sleep with music, and once she got into the habit of it, it became hard for her to fall asleep without music. Whereas I naturally went batshìt. Some pool players are like her... it's distracting to them to NOT have music. That's not how you and I are built, but that makes sense, right?

When Marop posts videos of his big straight pool runs at his practice table at home, there's always cool oldies playing in the background. When schmidt and harriman played a TAR match, they chose to have music (and I'm sure other TAR matches have a jukebox going). WPBA pro Vivian Villareal is famous for listening to headphones as she plays. I noticed that even in a recent Euro straight pool championship, where many players are in a large nice conference room... with actual refs wearing gloves and scoreboards and all that professional stuff... they have music going.

We agree on the phone thing. That's showing you don't give a crap. But music doesn't always = disrespect for pool and the opponent.
 
Guys on the amateur side of pool are hiding the fact that they can't play under the heat of people talking or just watching.
 
Amateur side? Me? Oh hell yeah!

Although I haven't really gotten a chance to play in many tournaments, during league play I see it occasionally. And I've actually considered using one, as well. I'm in the camp where I like to have some music playing in the background. It can be loud, or not-so-loud, and pretty much any kind of music, not even stuff I would listen to were it my choice. (It amazes me that I can listen to country music without revulsion these days, when not that long ago I would have been grumbling about it incessantly. :p ) I simply can concentrate better with the music in the background. I can focus on that sound, kind of like folks who use a white-noise machine so they can sleep, it gives you a constant sound for your mind to adjust to. It helps bury the chatter from the other participant, and those sitting around the tables. Yes, I am afflicted with rabbit ears. :embarrassed2: When I play league in a room without music, it takes extra effort to concentrate on the game and ignore the sidebar chatter, for me.

I do recognize the downside. I would prefer it if my opponent would pull one earbud out when he is done shooting. And that he would make eye contact between shots, in case there is an issue that needs to be raised given that he can't hear. I think this is partially why I haven't tried using one yet.

The other reason is I'm too lazy to load one up. Mostly because I'll have to make a mjor production out of it, and take WAY too much time selecting what to put on it. :D
 
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You've got the wrong idea on the way it's being used Beer... tiger doesn't rock out to slayer because it would distract him. He wants quiet. The ref with the huge "QUIET" sign makes sure the crowd knows it too.

But that's golf. It's played outdoors where you don't have jukeboxes. Many pool players, for whatever reason, want music. They're so used to the pool room jukebox, it feels "too quiet" if they don't have it.

I had an ex that used to sleep with music, and once she got into the habit of it, it became hard for her to fall asleep without music. Whereas I naturally went batshìt. Some pool players are like her... it's distracting to them to NOT have music. That's not how you and I are built, but that makes sense, right?

When Marop posts videos of his big straight pool runs at his practice table at home, there's always cool oldies playing in the background. When schmidt and harriman played a TAR match, they chose to have music (and I'm sure other TAR matches have a jukebox going). WPBA pro Vivian Villareal is famous for listening to headphones as she plays. I noticed that even in a recent Euro straight pool championship, where many players are in a large nice conference room... with actual refs wearing gloves and scoreboards and all that professional stuff... they have music going.

We agree on the phone thing. That's showing you don't give a crap. But music doesn't always = disrespect for pool and the opponent.

A jukebox is fine. I've been in bar tourneys where you had to yell to talk with people. I was ok with that. I love rockin' out while playing. I've hit the table and practiced with earphones. When I'm at the table competitively playing someone I don't want to have to waste energy and focus on communicating with someone who is deliberately increasing the barrier to communication. They get to tune out and reduce distraction and I sometimes end up with that burden. It feels like you're working just to effectively talk to people sometime and that's not why I play.

If we've got a ref I could care less because in that situation you don't need to talk to the other person but how often do you really play under those conditions?
 
Well, they are anti-social by definition. In a way, that's fine, because I'd rather not "socialize" with my opponent while we're playing anyway. However, some open pool-related communication is helpful to avoid controversies, especially in call-shot games, but even other games as well.

Examples of course are calling a shot, declaring a push-out, calling or asking if a ball is frozen, asking for a hit to be watched, etc. If the iPod wearer is paying attention, he can still be receptive enough to notice when his opponent is trying to communicate with him and he can take out an earphone at that time, but unfortunately this isn't always the case because humans are prone to distraction.

It's kind of like cell phones while driving. If you force yourself to give priority to the road and are willing to ignore your conversation a little when merging, or when a hazard pops up in the road, etc., then you can probably drive safely on the phone, especially with a handsfree device. Unfortunately, 90% of the time I see someone driving like an ass, I notice when I pass him that he has a phone glued to his ear.

So for the minority who really can pull off the high-tech multi-tasking, you can blame the majority who cannot, when said multi-tasking gets banned. :D

Plus it can be really annoying when someone has their iPod volume cranked up high enough that others can hear it. :rolleyes:
 
Ipods it's not what is coming out of them but what they keep out!

Off topic a bit....................

What about ear plugs? I play with a guy sometimes gambling sometimes for fun and this dude NEVER STOPS TALKING EVER and I DO MEAN EVER! Just like the radio....always on even when he is being ignored! Most of what he says is nonsensical gibborish or self-indulgent stories about things going on with him that he will tell you at some point and then tell everyone else that comes by the table later on in the day too. I have a pair of ear plugs that cut sound levels to about 1/2 the normal level that still allows me to hear things but takes the edge off it if you know what I mean. I rarely use them but am super tempted at times playing this guy:D


Btw, I try not to play this guy more than once a week because all the interuptions waste a bunch of what could be decent focused playing time which most of us are always short of.
 
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When I'm at the table competitively playing someone I don't want to have to waste energy and focus on communicating with someone who is deliberately increasing the barrier to communication. They get to tune out and reduce distraction and I sometimes end up with that burden.

Well, be honest, how much communication do you need with the other guy? Most of it is a formality anyway. 99% of the time, when he's shooting you aren't talking to him and vice versa. If he's any sort of a player, he won't need to hear you call your pocket, he won't need to hear when it's his turn to shoot or to rack (he'll know because he was paying attention) and you don't need to go through the motions of asking about ball in hand on a scratch.

If he's not a player, then the problem will be with him... not with his Ipod. For example, the worst case scenario we have so far is when one guy asked an ipod-user "ball in hand" and he carelessly said yes, then flipped out when player A picked up the cue ball.

Now what would have happened if there were no Ipod? Would everything go smoothly? Nope. The ipod kid would STILL have flipped out because he didn't see the foul or was too dishonest to call it on himself. So it STILL would have turned into some argument, whether he's wearing headphones or not. That's where the problem lies - not in him mistakenly Okaying ball in hand when he didn't mean to.
 
Well, be honest, how much communication do you need with the other guy? Most of it is a formality anyway. 99% of the time, when he's shooting you aren't talking to him and vice versa. If he's any sort of a player, he won't need to hear you call your pocket, he won't need to hear when it's his turn to shoot or to rack (he'll know because he was paying attention) and you don't need to go through the motions of asking about ball in hand on a scratch.

If he's not a player, then the problem will be with him... not with his Ipod. For example, the worst case scenario we have so far is when one guy asked an ipod-user "ball in hand" and he carelessly said yes, then flipped out when player A picked up the cue ball.

Now what would have happened if there were no Ipod? Would everything go smoothly? Nope. The ipod kid would STILL have flipped out because he didn't see the foul or was too dishonest to call it on himself. So it STILL would have turned into some argument, whether he's wearing headphones or not. That's where the problem lies - not in him mistakenly Okaying ball in hand when he didn't mean to.
Can't argue with that but I still don't have to like it. :D
 
this may change

I have tried to wear em while playing and I think I fair better at times without
em.Although there is one team that as soon as I see that my team
is playing them on leauge night .....I put on the ipod .That team is a bit
loud for my taste. Doing some stuff that helps me block it all out without the
ipod and more will be revealed about that.
They are a hinderance between players and tournament directors.Once at a
major tournament I was live streaming during the finals one of the players missed
a time call when put on a shot clock and had to just grin and bear it because he did not hear
the tournament director call ......10 secs:eek:
 
Well once in a while I will wear my ipod to a tourny,if the jukebox is loud then I dont wear it though it has its advantages such as blocking out people talking as far as tacky big headphones are tacky looking,I dont think its disrespectful because there is no need to talk when you both know the rules,I think talking to your opponent is way more disrespectful
 
<<<<ipod hater...
<<<jump cue hater(but has one)
<<<phenolic tip/ferrule hater
wants to see evrything like it used to be
little pockets-fair racks and my opponent trying to figure out 5 rails between the balls on 2
ps..i pod or no ipod i ask them if they know theyre on 2 until they answer
 
When I played baseball, my coach always said, "if you take BP with your sunglasses on, make sure you wear them during the game."

His thinking was not to change anything between practice and games. I listened and hit about .475 in Highschool.
 
No I don't think IPODs should be allowed. It's an artificial method of enhancing concentration or blocking out distractions. I mean, if your not allowed to use chalk as a marker for aim on kick shots, why should you be able to use an ipod.

I think its silly all the stuff they allow in poker. I see guys wearing sun glasses, hats covering their face etc. Who needs a poker face when you can do that? Isn't that supposed to be part of the skill, ie. no tells?
 
No I don't think IPODs should be allowed. It's an artificial method of enhancing concentration or blocking out distractions. I mean, if your not allowed to use chalk as a marker for aim on kick shots, why should you be able to use an ipod.

I think its silly all the stuff they allow in poker. I see guys wearing sun glasses, hats covering their face etc. Who needs a poker face when you can do that? Isn't that supposed to be part of the skill, ie. no tells?

I've thought the same way about poker.

So would you demand shane turn up his hearing aid?

The way I see it, it's not like some guy starts with normal concentration and then uses the ipod to jack it up to super concentration. It's a guy who can't get normal concentration because for some reason this sport is closely tied to jukebox music. So he needs a little assistance to overcome that problem... and get back to his normal level of focus. The ipod just lets him play his A game. It doesn't turn a B player into an A player.

If you don't like music when you play, the ipod probably wouldn't do a thing for you. It might even hurt your concentration. So it's not fair to make it out like it's some kind of performance enhancer when most people don't get any benefit from it.
 
most i know use it as a crutch....which isn't going to help them. others i know like one older guy he wears his so he doesn't have to listen too all the loud crappy music which is understandable.

If it helps you enjoy yourself more then more power too you, if your using it to zone out then i suggest finding something else b/c those headphones are not always going to be there.
 
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