Everybody here should know that Jude cheats whenever possible. He tells opponents they are on two on the first shot of the rack to see if they agree. If they do he plays one safe and wins the game.
Chris "Thug" Lynch
Chris "Thug" Lynch
three foul technicality
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Well played Sir.
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Very funny, sir. On a serious note, in my pathetic 14.1 match last night, my opponent deliberately fouled and I took a good minute to shoot because I had to try and remember if my last inning ended on a foul (I didn't want to ask). In 14.1, that rule makes complete sense. In 9ball, it loses its umph. I understand rules need to be black & white. You need to draw a line somewhere and the line is specifically drawn. However, what should take precedence is common sense even though I know you can't exactly say in the rules, "common sense should always prevail even if it contradicts this rulebook".
And you should know, if anyone ever pulled that move on me and succeeded, I WOULD tell him he was "on two" EVERY INNING THEREAFTER.
BTW, you're on two.
This thread's still going? Have they changed the rule yet? Am I still on two?
You're on two until proven otherwise.
I think the bigger the stakes the more of a lowlife you are to do it.
Yeah, I do. For penny ante stakes it's a misdemeanor; for high stakes it's a felony.
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Hi Jude, sorry u feel that way. You would think warm and fuzzy if u had to play me for your rent $. Anyhow I beg to differ about this, if u had to play me in a match for your dough it would be a sad day for u I think. I will give u an example as to why your wrong about this in my opinion. Earl Strickland who is one of my favorite 9 ball players once moved a ball barely and the ref did not see it. In my opinion it is not Earl's responsability to call the foul on himself. For anyone interested in this Earl has a very comical story about this maybe if u like u can look it up. I did warn the asian player saying u have to tell me I'm on two when it's my shot not yours. He nodded at me as if he understood what I was saying, what if he were to make a few balls and then play safe? If I were on the receiving end of this and I told my opponent he was on two when it was my shot and not his, I would not expect to get the three foul rule either. The fact that he nodded his head at me made me think he acknowledged the fact that I could not be on two untill it was my shot and not his, I don't perform background checks on my opponent before I play them and was unaware that he did not speak english.
This is where a ref is needed, I don't blame the tournament ref's or anyone else it was just a tricky situation. John Schmidt and Mike Duchaine had basicly the same situation in the World 14.1, but no one came on here and belittled John like your doing me, Mike has alot more class than that and is a great player also. If u think I need to cheat to win then that shows how much of a blossoming sucker you really are Jude, I would venture to guess your a little bitter. I do not like winning a game from a technicality in the rules so that is why I told my opponent that he had to tell me I was on two when it was my shot and not his. I own a house and a nice new car and everything is paid for, winning is not so important to me that it might tempt me to cheat. Be careful about being judgmental and jumping to conclusions, or as they say where your from 'foget abat it.'
As for Samm Dip I could tell she was just chomping at the bit to ask me about my diabolical scheme to win in such a shady fashion. She has said some rude things to me in a joking manner once and I am not real impressed with her know it all attitude nor am I too impressed with yours. If u smell a rat remember it could be your own 'stinkin thinkin.' In closing I would offer u a hypothetical situation - suppose your playing 14.1 and your opponent tells u your on two as soon as u foul for the second time, he proceeds to run 30 or 40 balls and then plays safe are the fans watching and the incoming player supposed to still remember that he or she is still on two? - I think not. It makes the match more interesting if the opponent has to remember to play the correct way and look his opponent in the eye and state that he or she is on two WHEN IT'S THEIR TURN (the player on two,) any other way is sloppy and does not make sense to me to play that way. If u read the rule under the Midwest 9 ball format Evelyn Dysart says u must look your opponent in the eye and tell them there on two when it is THEIR shot, there tour is mostly bar pool but Danny and Evelyn are great at running a tournament, u allways get paid and there is never any nonsense cause they won't stand for it.
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I really wish there weren't rules in place that are expected to be overlooked, and that people will feel guilty enforcing. WTF? I think this rule is dumb. Once the warning is issued after two fouls, it should be the player's responsibility to remember when he gets back to the table. What they should do is say you can warn anytime after two fouls, but it is advisable to remind the player he's on two if it has been a long time, to help avoid arguments.
That said, when you play in a tournament, you're stuck with whatever rules they are using. I also don't like all-ball fouls when there's no ref to call the fouls, but if we are playing that way and my opponent touches a ball, I'm not going to say, "Oh it's OK. I don't like that rule, so just keep shooting. No harm done."
Especially if you're going to play pool in a professional tournament, and invest all the costs associated with that, it's probably wise to familiarize yourself with the rules and not expect your opponent to concede games to you when you failed to learn and follow the rules. Some might let you get away with the sloppy play, but if they do, you can consider yourself lucky.
Any questions, get clarification from the tournament director, preferably BEFORE you violate a rule. I have no reason to believe that Danny's opponent is blaming Danny for his mistake, so why are some people on here blaming him? One of the most basic rules is that it's the player's responsibility to know the rules, not the player's opponent's responsibility to waive the rules for you. LOL.
That said, when you play in a tournament, you're stuck with whatever rules they are using. I also don't like all-ball fouls when there's no ref to call the fouls, but if we are playing that way and my opponent touches a ball, I'm not going to say, "Oh it's OK. I don't like that rule, so just keep shooting. No harm done."
Especially if you're going to play pool in a professional tournament, and invest all the costs associated with that, it's probably wise to familiarize yourself with the rules and not expect your opponent to concede games to you when you failed to learn and follow the rules. Some might let you get away with the sloppy play, but if they do, you can consider yourself lucky.
Any questions, get clarification from the tournament director, preferably BEFORE you violate a rule. I have no reason to believe that Danny's opponent is blaming Danny for his mistake, so why are some people on here blaming him? One of the most basic rules is that it's the player's responsibility to know the rules, not the player's opponent's responsibility to waive the rules for you. LOL.
Do you have a bit of a woody for me? It's ok u can say what ever u like, it only makes u look bad. Ohh but while your typing woodless remember if u feel a bump bump from your chest - don't be freightened it's just your heart. Keep showing off your doing a good job even though u probably can't make a ball in the ocean. It would seem to some that your opinion might have some merit. Isn't it cool to come on here and corrolate with one of the best players in the world - makes it seem like you have a life hunh? Call me whatever u want it just shows off how very little class u have cardboard. I hope your life gets better and u have my condolenses as well as anyone that has to interact with.
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I dont know you, and you obviously dont know me. But it is what it is.
And if someone can or cant make a ball has nothing to do with doing the right thing.
You seemed to question your call in the video, after having time to think about it would you still do the same thing?
And if someone can or cant make a ball has nothing to do with doing the right thing.
You seemed to question your call in the video, after having time to think about it would you still do the same thing?
Your right I do not know u nor do I want to. By the way if u think I am scared of u your very wrong, I don't care how big u are u have zero class and any of your questions are never ending I am sure. You represent one of the trolls that likes to come on here and act stupid, and I will allways stand by what I say. If you have some inferiority complex and think it will help your game to scrutinize me then I hope you seek counseling for that ok waterlog (your c#@p does not float with me too well.) Maybe u have too much time on your hands, I know I do or I would not be wasting my time with the like of u. <Any Questions>
For what its worth Danny, no I dont have a woody for you, I dont swing that way.
By your standards I cant make a ball, but Ive spent my time at the table.
While I enjoy the few pros that post on here, and wish there were more. It really doesnt make me feel any different when responding to one of them. These forums have changed my personal oppinions about a lot of people. Some for the better, some for the worse.
My initial response was faster and less thought out than is typical for me. While I still think arguing the 3 foul was a poor decision, I should have stated it differently.
By your standards I cant make a ball, but Ive spent my time at the table.
While I enjoy the few pros that post on here, and wish there were more. It really doesnt make me feel any different when responding to one of them. These forums have changed my personal oppinions about a lot of people. Some for the better, some for the worse.
My initial response was faster and less thought out than is typical for me. While I still think arguing the 3 foul was a poor decision, I should have stated it differently.
Im not a troll, and really dont post that often.
What in the world in my post would make you think that I think your afraid of me?
I do not feel inferior to you or anyone else on these boards, I have no reason to.
Your right u should watch spur of the moment thoughts, maybe your not as dumb as I thought you were. I do not judge a persons character on how well they play pool, but your response was very poor. It made u look real bad from where I am sitting.
I will say this if u act like that to other pros on this forum u will run them off, which won't make you popular. Try not to allways find yourself apolagizing for spur of the moment thoughts that YOU decide to put into words on this forum.
Even though u have the right to your opinion about rules u don't have to be verbally vulger like u were, but I am sure u don't think an apolagy is necassary. Personally I think u showed your a#@.
If I wasnt clear enough in my previous post, Im sorry for the wording that I chose.
I really do not talk to very many pros, and would not have carried on with this conversation other than the fact that my first response is not typical of me and I wouldnt want to leave it at that.
I am not trying to be smart, and ask this as a sincere question. I fully understand if you choose not to respond. In your interview you seemed to question your choice to fall upon the technicality of the ruling. Would you still do the same?
It is a fine line you guys have to walk. Earls example that you mentioned is a great example. I study a lot of old straight pool matches and in more than one case see some of the past greats shoot through balls that were obvious fouls. The ref doesnt call it so they keep shooting. Earl had a lot of people calling him out on it just because of who he is.
I really do not talk to very many pros, and would not have carried on with this conversation other than the fact that my first response is not typical of me and I wouldnt want to leave it at that.
I am not trying to be smart, and ask this as a sincere question. I fully understand if you choose not to respond. In your interview you seemed to question your choice to fall upon the technicality of the ruling. Would you still do the same?
It is a fine line you guys have to walk. Earls example that you mentioned is a great example. I study a lot of old straight pool matches and in more than one case see some of the past greats shoot through balls that were obvious fouls. The ref doesnt call it so they keep shooting. Earl had a lot of people calling him out on it just because of who he is.
yes I would have, I am a purist - 9 ball is a weird game that is vulnerable for problems including the rack mechanics. If I were to have it come up again then it would be the same, the second thoughts that u thought I had were not cause I was ashamed of the way I handled it. It was more to do with the fact that I was going to come off looking like a jerk, I had an easy hit on the 3rd foul but was sharked cause I knew there was going to be an issue if I missed. I was not sure that he understood what I was telling him about the rule, if I was going to try and cheat him I would not have tried to warn him about the rule before he snookered me for the 3rd time.
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Thanks for your response, thats a side of it that most of us wouldnt consider. Personally nineball is my least favorite game, but its what everyone is playing.
As a competitor, if you had the chance would you re-word the ruling so that you just had to warn them and get confirmation? Instead of having to be when they are approaching the table?
I understand the differences that could arrise between nineball and straight pool, but shouldnt the responsability to remember fall on the person that has commited two fouls?
As a competitor, if you had the chance would you re-word the ruling so that you just had to warn them and get confirmation? Instead of having to be when they are approaching the table?
I understand the differences that could arrise between nineball and straight pool, but shouldnt the responsability to remember fall on the person that has commited two fouls?