Throw

I'm sure Dr. Dave has several on his site. Check also Mike Page's posts.

Throw definitely exists. It can be very helpful if you exploit it, or hurtful if you ignore it. I'm not sure how to quantify or predict it. To me, it seems to be more pronounced for softer/slower hits.

Good luck!
 
If you want to get more play experience with throw, shoot straight pool. Because of the congestion often times the only view you have of the shot you want to take requires you use throw to make it. Similarly, throw is used in straight pool because it is often the only way to gain the required position on your next shot.
 
Robert Byrne's books are the best. And, very simply, if you are not in control of throw, you are not playing the game. It's not making the shot that counts, it is HOW you make the shot. This is because the game is manipulating the cue ball. Once a player can make all the shots, he JUST becomes a "player". Making the shots is easy, making the shots how they need to be made(controlling position) IS the game.
 
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The Machine said:
Robert Byrne's books are the best. And, very simply, if you are not in control of throw, you are not playing the game. It's not making the shot that counts, it is HOW you make the shot. This is because the game is manipulating the cue ball. Once a player can make all the shots, he JUST becomes a "player". Making the shots is easy, making the shots how they need to be made(controlling position) IS the game.
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Thank you for reminding me. I have that book somewhere. I've read it like 10 times and ech time I came to "throw" I probably flipped past it thinking I didn't need it.

Today I was breaking and running full racks to watch where my shots were going in the pockets. I noticed that a lot of my cut shots were nowhere near center pocket. esp. the ones I'd cut to the right. I have an idea I'm not setting up right for them, but then again it could be throw. I liked this game a hell of a lot more before I started asking "why" instead of just doing it. Last time I started to read aiming threads it took me almost 2 weeks to get back to where I was. LOL. Johnnyt
 
I believe that Martins 99 Critical Shots talks about throw. Also Koehlers book and Byrnes Videos. Dr Dave probably has the most info.

It's a blast to practice using throw to pocket balls. :D Not so much fun when unintended throw makes me miss balls :(
 
Shaft said:
... [throw] seems to be more pronounced for softer/slower hits.
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That's true, and it's why adding sidespin often reduces the amount of throw.

The amount of throw also depends on the cut angle (about a half ball hit gives maximum throw).

pj
chgo
 
Johnnyt said:
... I noticed that a lot of my cut shots were nowhere near center pocket. esp. the ones I'd cut to the right. I have an idea I'm not setting up right for them, but then again it could be throw.
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I think your first instinct was right: your setup is a little off, so you're seeing right cuts a little differently. If it was throw you'd see the same effect both ways.

pj
chgo
 
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Jimmy Reid has some excellent examples of throw in his videos.

Due to his recent health issues, he was offering his entire collection for a very nice price to help raise funds.

If youdon't have that collection, I suggest it for your question specifically, and to help out Jimmy!
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I think your first instinct was right: you're setup is a little off, so you're seeing right cuts a little differently. If it was throw you'd see the same effect both ways.

pj
chgo
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I agree with this. The biggest problem with throw, in my opinion, is that most people think it's more of a factor than it is. For instance, many people aim thin shots thinner with inside english and thicker with outside english. On a thin shot, this will generally make you miss, as throw will have very little effect if any at all.

Look at your aim and setup first. Then make sure you're making the right compensations for squirt, swerve, throw, table levelness, earth's rotation, gravitational field coming off that huge dude at the bar, etc.

-Andrew
 
Well we got that one figured out...thanks all. I had surgery on both feet last week after not being able to stand flat footed for a few years do to the pain. Three days after the surgery and only being able to wear slippers for the most part for years I went and bought five pairs of good shoes of all tpyes. I can't begin to tell you how good my feet feel now...it's like their not even there the shoes are so comfortable.

Anyhow I found out that with my feet flat on the floor(which I couldn't do before the surgery) and weight balanced between the two that I had to turn a little more to the right to be in alignment. Back to normal...thank you all again for your input. Johnnyt
 
I witnessed a guy "throwing" the cue ball through the front plate glass window after a scratch hill, hill....I guess that isn't what you meant.
 
Johnnyt said:
Thank you for reminding me. I have that book somewhere. I've read it like 10 times and ech time I came to "throw" I probably flipped past it thinking I didn't need it.

Today I was breaking and running full racks to watch where my shots were going in the pockets. I noticed that a lot of my cut shots were nowhere near center pocket. esp. the ones I'd cut to the right. I have an idea I'm not setting up right for them, but then again it could be throw. I liked this game a hell of a lot more before I started asking "why" instead of just doing it. Last time I started to read aiming threads it took me almost 2 weeks to get back to where I was. LOL. Johnnyt
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Cueball throw or object ball. Cueball throw is tough to gauge on a neutral system due to many cue shafts perform differently. Object ball is the same. Players stroke, ball conditions, table conditions, room conditions can all have their own affect. Not really an answer to your question but an insight to possibilities when considering throw. Byrne is my favorite on most any basic knowledge of play.
 
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