Tim Scruggs box cue

I think Nick is closer to being more right than wrong.....in my opinion, this is not a $3k cue or higher......although that's what every Scruggs cue owner wants to think and look at my signature, I am a Tim Scruggs fan. My take on the value is in the $2200-2700 range. I could be off base but I don't think a Scruggs collector would pay more than the top price in my estimate and the cue should command $2k just for being a nice Scruggs cue. However, setting sentiment aside for any cue in question, most cue-owners, myself included, overestimate the value of their cues and therefore, find it hard to think their cue isn't worth a lot more......that's why the Forum is filled with price drops on pool cue sale threads.

Matt B.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
I think Nick is closer to being more right than wrong.....in my opinion, this is not a $3k cue or higher......although that's what every Scruggs cue owner wants to think and look at my signature, I am a Tim Scruggs fan. My take on the value is in the $2200-2700 range. I could be off base but I don't think a Scruggs collector would pay more than the top price in my estimate and the cue should command $2k just for being a nice Scruggs cue. However, setting sentiment aside for any cue in question, most cue-owners, myself included, overestimate the value of their cues and therefore, find it hard to think their cue isn't worth a lot more......that's why the Forum is filled with price drops on pool cue sale threads.

Matt B.
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That is interesting Matt. I just can't see this cue being less than $3k. I've seen 4 pointers with a few inlays go for the kind of money you are talking about for this cue.

That kind of logic would put Scruggs 4 pointers with basic inlays in the butt sleeve and points and Ivory joint in the $1500 range IMO.
 
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Worminator said:
That is interesting Matt. I just can't see this cue being less than $3k. I've seen 4 pointers with a few inlays go for the kind of money you are talking about for this cue.

That kind of logic would put Scruggs 4 pointers with basic inlays in the butt sleeve and points and Ivory joint in the $1500 range IMO.
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Just what I was going to say. Hoppes with ivory joints would be 1200. No way this cue is 2500. Box cues are far more rare that 4 pointers. Box cues were basically starting off at double what a 4 pointer did at any point. The thing that hurts this cue the most is the date on the logo. During the times that they used that logo, they were churning out cues. But that doesn't hurt this cue that much.
 
The Great TS

I've been holding my tongue for many years watching this phenomenon and now I don't need to any longer.
TS cue are some of the finest cues made and I been amazed how many times people low ball their prices. It's been great for me because it created great deals for me. I am a buyer not a seller. Tim Scruggs,Mike Cochran and Bob Frey at the TS shop built some of the finest cues and tried a lot of new things with cues over the years and were also the best to deal with, These cue have a lot of value, where are you going to get one now. These guys were master cue builder just like some of the past greats and look at their prices. So keep low balling and dump your TS's.
This is not directed to the OP.
Thanks Eric
 
Ebony box cue with ivory joint from TS is at least $3500, and will always be worth more than any purple heart cue of the same style.
 
Jamie.....for some reason, box cue designs while being applauded when posted in the Cue Gallery, don't seem to fare as well in the for sale section.
I will readily concede that my off the cuff prices were just that but $3k for a box cue from Tim, well, maybe. I'm imagining some one would list this
cue for sale in all probability in the $3200 - $3400 range, and I also foresee it not selling in that price range but it is orig. listed appreciably above $3k.

Obviously, I could be wrong, however, this cue doesn't impress me as a cue that would command a sale price iin the low $3k range, at least not the
way I recall other box design cues faring when listed for sale on the Forum. Aside for the likes of a cue-maker like Paul Mottey or someone like that
where cues sold fast, I don't see that happening with this cue. And a stagnant sale listing usually gets price dropped or a best offer acceptance. So I
see the cue selling under $3k but I could be wrong. Lots of cues list where the selling price never changes & so the cue is bumped for months on end.

Maybe the new Forum format will change that but I don't know why it should or will. If the market thinks a cue is priced too high, the cue won't sell. It's
that simple. I do apologize for seemingly preaching to the choir because many of the readers professionally deal cues and I'll defer to their more expert
judgement on the value of this cue. I was speaking strictly from a personal perspective reflective of my buying habits & judgement about pool cue values.

Matt B.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
Jamie.....for some reason, box cue designs while being applauded when posted in the Cue Gallery, don't seem to fare as well in the for sale section.
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Kevin Brewer is rolling over in his grave.
And somewhere Will Prout is laughing at you!
This cue is a stunner and any collector would be proud to own it
 
Curious to know what you value that Buddy Hall Rifleman in your photo?

Thanks..

nick serdula said:
Tikkler loves his. I miss mine. I buy these things. I like Ho's too.
If you haven't played with a Scruggs Box Cue they are a blast. Usually smaller in the handle. Very lively. Rock solid.
If I didn't own a couple sweet hitting TS Cues and Cochran's I would be interested.
Mine was sold for double what yours would bring. It was the only Ivory Joint Radial Pin TS Box Cue that I ever saw.
By the way it was already repinned 3/8-10. Mike looked at it and decided that was that and suprised me big time.
Box Cue prices that I have collected and sold to buy other TS Cues.
Acme Ivory $2500
3/8-10 Ivory $3200
Radial pin Ivory 5K for sure.
Ivory Inlays insted of rings add at least 3K.
How do I know? History.
Mike Webb was Tim and Mike's go to man when they needed help keeping up with repair work as custom build orders sometimes were overwhelming. So as out of my mind I look to posters here I am giving advise to services no longer offered by Tim and Michael on how at times they found Mike Webb's talent very helpful.






Nick :)
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I sold it back to my friend

It was a match for his Cue that buddy used in the US open years ago. I think it went back and forth for $600ish. Many of us that buy and sell to each other do it for what we paid. Sometimes less.
Works out in the wash.
I think I sold the box Cue repinned for 5K and donated $1200 of that to Mike Cochran's wife. It was a few years back. I might have donated more or less but much more in the end.
Sure do miss that man.
Nick :)
 
Dang, I paid double that for the rifleman I have... Got hosed again on here...

nick serdula said:
It was a match for his Cue that buddy used in the US open years ago. I think it went back and forth for $600ish. Many of us that buy and sell to each other do it for what we paid. Sometimes less.
Works out in the wash.
I think I sold the box Cue repinned for 5K and donated $1200 of that to Mike Cochran's wife. It was a few years back. I might have donated more or less but much more in the end.
Sure do miss that man.
Nick :)
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I would bet the ivory alone in the cue is worth a grand or more, so anywhere in the 2K range is way low. This is also considering that though Tim is recently retired, he had been handcrafting cues longer than all but a very few today. I would more agree with the mid to upper 3K figures quoted.
 
Blow me down

The other man that owns a TS Purple Heart Box Cue PMed me asking about price and value. Reading his words I had to ask if it was who I believed him to be. He replied yes! I had helped him sell a couple high end Cues years ago. Helping just to help.
Small world.
Nick
 
Bavafongoul said:
Jamie.....for some reason, box cue designs while being applauded when posted in the Cue Gallery, don't seem to fare as well in the for sale section.
I will readily concede that my off the cuff prices were just that but $3k for a box cue from Tim, well, maybe. I'm imagining some one would list this
cue for sale in all probability in the $3200 - $3400 range, and I also foresee it not selling in that price range but it is orig. listed appreciably above $3k.

Obviously, I could be wrong, however, this cue doesn't impress me as a cue that would command a sale price iin the low $3k range, at least not the
way I recall other box design cues faring when listed for sale on the Forum. Aside for the likes of a cue-maker like Paul Mottey or someone like that
where cues sold fast, I don't see that happening with this cue. And a stagnant sale listing usually gets price dropped or a best offer acceptance. So I
see the cue selling under $3k but I could be wrong. Lots of cues list where the selling price never changes & so the cue is bumped for months on end.

Maybe the new Forum format will change that but I don't know why it should or will. If the market thinks a cue is priced too high, the cue won't sell. It's
that simple. I do apologize for seemingly preaching to the choir because many of the readers professionally deal cues and I'll defer to their more expert
judgement on the value of this cue. I was speaking strictly from a personal perspective reflective of my buying habits & judgement about pool cue values.

Matt B.
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Your opinion isn't really valid here because:
1) you seem to only like Bushka 'tribute' designs
2) you fail to recognize that a LOT of collectors jump at the chance to buy box cues because they aren't... well, another example of a Bushka tribute.
3) Your opinion is based on the success rate of FS threads on this forum.

Not trying to be a jerk but the reality is your opinion is just that. Your opinion. And there is nothing to substantiate it apart from "Well, if the For Sale section here is any indication...". Well, its not. The for sale section here is hurting. Big time. And you also have to take into account how many high end cue deals take place FAR OUTSIDE the reach of this forum. AZ has a cue marketplace but its not the ONLY cue marketplace.
 
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I agree with Ken's assessment.

Furthermore, in my experience in dealing cues, I have always had much more trouble moving Purpleheart cues than Ebony cues. With that said, I would have to value the Ebony TS box cue higher than the Purpleheart TS box cue regardless of pin type.
 
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