Timeless Shafts???
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Hopefully its not true, save the earth...
tigerseye said:
a lot of cuemakers offer these. i had a sugartree with one of these timeless timber shafts. i still have a QP with timeless timber shafts.
from what i hear keith Josey is known for using them.
My Capone also has old growth shafts with very nice growth lines running side-by-side but I don't think that these would be 1500 years old. For some reason I would be reluctant to use those old shafts and even if the shaft that I have is 1500 years old. Perhaps that's just me but I'd prefer a good, carefully seasoned and old wood to be used for a shaft than something 15 centuries old...
Yes..... there are cue builders using some of the submerged wood for shafts, but I'm not sure if it's of the 1500 year old variety..heres a couple
http://daytoncues.com/ (100 year old wood)
http://www.joseycues.com/cues.php (timeless timber)
http://daytoncues.com/ (100 year old wood)
http://www.joseycues.com/cues.php (timeless timber)
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They have many names...fossil wood, petrified shafts, timeless timber, lakewood shafts, etc. Its true...they are bring up submerged wood from the great lakes that is indeed several hundred years old. While some cuemakers sell the shafts for playing cues, its this cuemakers opinion that its best reserved for j/b's. The wood for the most part is very dark, dense, and stable...but I find it rather hard hitting and not a lot of feel. I use it often on j/b's but there is no way I personally use it on a playing cue. I'm not alone with this opinion either. Below is a pic of a lakewood shaft....notice the chocolate color.
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I have some available. They produce a fine shaft. They are slightly off color due to metal mineral deposits from being submerged in the lake water. Not snow white. Firm hitting, lots of growth rings and lots of time seasoning. They are premium shafts so be sitting down when pricing.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues
I have some available. They produce a fine shaft. They are slightly off color due to metal mineral deposits from being submerged in the lake water. Not snow white. Firm hitting, lots of growth rings and lots of time seasoning. They are premium shafts so be sitting down when pricing.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues
TripXQ said:I have some available. They produce a fine shaft. They are slightly off color due to metal mineral deposits from being submerged in the lake water. Not snow white. Firm hitting, lots of growth rings and lots of time seasoning. They are premium shafts so be sitting down when pricing.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues
I heard like $225....
tigerseye said:
that doesn't sound too out of line. especially when you see the prices of aftermarket shafts.
I have heard of someone harvesting old timber from a northern lake,but don't know how old the wood is.
I also heard from my brother,there is a cuemaker in the states ,using ancient wood from New Zealand, that was tested to show that it is at least 40,000 years old.It is called Kauri, and looks like it glows in the correct light.I don't think the Kauri is used as a shaft, only in the handle.
Neil
I also heard from my brother,there is a cuemaker in the states ,using ancient wood from New Zealand, that was tested to show that it is at least 40,000 years old.It is called Kauri, and looks like it glows in the correct light.I don't think the Kauri is used as a shaft, only in the handle.
Neil
There was an episode of "Dirty Jobs" where Mike Rowe was doing underwater timber harvesting. The majority of the logs were cut really, really thin, and used as veneers on high-end furniture. There's also this wired.com article about underwater logging.
edit: BTW, that "kauri" wood can be purchased from http://www.ancientwood.com/ as well as several other places. I'd like find some good pics, that sounds like it would make for a nice cue, or at least some really nice inlays. Couple it with mammoth ivory and it sounds like it would be spectacular.
edit: BTW, that "kauri" wood can be purchased from http://www.ancientwood.com/ as well as several other places. I'd like find some good pics, that sounds like it would make for a nice cue, or at least some really nice inlays. Couple it with mammoth ivory and it sounds like it would be spectacular.
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IMHO if you can not afford a Original Circa 1960-1970 Szamboti , or Balisbuska, BUY a Timeless Timber SHAFT to get a close to hit. I say this as I personally have had the Privilege of being allowed to hit a FEW BALLS with an Original Balisbuska, and the only way I can describe the hit was like a 40 TON 18 Wheeler bumping a VW Bug at 15 MPH. KA THUD.
Yep it's true
They'll find trees at the bottom of a lake or timber which was floated down for logging which sank and sat there for 50 years or more and use it for furniture and to a much lesser extent cues. The timber sits at the bottom of the lake and compresses under the pressure of deep water which makes the wood more dense.
I think the most impressive part about it is that the water doesn't seep into the wood too far. I remember reading about this niche business several years ago.
They'll find trees at the bottom of a lake or timber which was floated down for logging which sank and sat there for 50 years or more and use it for furniture and to a much lesser extent cues. The timber sits at the bottom of the lake and compresses under the pressure of deep water which makes the wood more dense.
I think the most impressive part about it is that the water doesn't seep into the wood too far. I remember reading about this niche business several years ago.
You just missed by a zero....
...it's 150 years, and not 1500.....gunsby's got the story...they used to harvest in the U.P. of Michigan and float down. Lots of good wood down there and kudos to the people that came up with the idea of harvesting it!!
td
gunzby said:
...it's 150 years, and not 1500.....gunsby's got the story...they used to harvest in the U.P. of Michigan and float down. Lots of good wood down there and kudos to the people that came up with the idea of harvesting it!!
td
Don't knaw on it....
or you'll get kicked out of the garden of pooldom....:grin:
td
ftgokie said:I have a section of tree believed to be the original Tree of Knowledge....wonder how much that wood would be worth?
This was just simply sarcasm..not to be taken seriously:sorry:
or you'll get kicked out of the garden of pooldom....:grin:
td
IF they were first harvest logs, I would think they'd be a lot older that 150 yrs. old.grindz said:
Old Growth Shafts
I bought several boards of old growth maple about 6-7 years ago. They were 1.5" thick 18" wide and 8' long. Using my band saw I cut many 1.5" squares for shafts and still have boards left. Have a friend who is a cue maker turn the squares round and use them when I have a cue made or want additional shafts for my other cues. True, they are darker in color and prone to have mineral streaks in 1 out of 10 so if pretty is what is important to you you want like them. As far as expense goes I figure I have a couple bucks in each shaft and I am amazed at the prices they sell for. But then I had a dealership at which I sold BMW's,Harley's and several Japanese lines and BMW and Harley owners expected to pay more and I learned the value of always meeting or exceeding your customers expectations.
I bought several boards of old growth maple about 6-7 years ago. They were 1.5" thick 18" wide and 8' long. Using my band saw I cut many 1.5" squares for shafts and still have boards left. Have a friend who is a cue maker turn the squares round and use them when I have a cue made or want additional shafts for my other cues. True, they are darker in color and prone to have mineral streaks in 1 out of 10 so if pretty is what is important to you you want like them. As far as expense goes I figure I have a couple bucks in each shaft and I am amazed at the prices they sell for. But then I had a dealership at which I sold BMW's,Harley's and several Japanese lines and BMW and Harley owners expected to pay more and I learned the value of always meeting or exceeding your customers expectations.