Tip from a bankpool player...

If I want to shorten a bank or avoid a kiss for the most part I will use more inside english and adjust my speed on the bank....but is just me and is a 50/50 chance that is correct lol
 
Houstoer said:
Not that i wouldn't trust what a bankmaster like John would say, but I was always told different. Lined up a bunch of shots on my home table and low and behold John is right; who would've thunk it? Thanks again for your tips John ! Just another day of learning... sweet.
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Practice really does help to learn stuff like that. Your welcome. John B.
 
Johnnyt said:
I'm sorry I gave all my old "how to play pool" books away when I thought I quit for good last time. I'll bet a few of them had, "use low to shorten angle" in them. I didn't think it up myself. :embarrassed2:. Johnnyt
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LOL Maybe more than a few. I've thought about where and how that myth go started for about 30 years or right after I started to learn how to bank. John B.
 
High, low, center...makes little difference compared to speed.

IMHO people equate draw with shortening a bank because they usually hit a draw shot with more speed. But it's the speed that's shortening the bank, not the draw.
 
John Says... Shoot it like a 'knuckle ball' ... 'Ya gotta hit with about center ball kinda like a inside or outside slider kinda hit. A stun shot but maybe with a little right or left english... ya gotta kinda bend the object ball to make the pocket wider like a 'bucket with a trough' running into it..

Randy :thumbup:

of course you have to over cut the ball if you gunna try to used draw... which is not the best idea if that puts you on the kiss line. I'd shoot it wider but with stun and speed... Brumback style... its just funner and more predictable,... but mainly funner
 
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I too think this is the explanation behind it (low on CB becomes roll in OB upon cushion contact, up to medium shot speed).
Nice point, great to have pros giving advice.
Petros
 
Inside shortens banks. Draw will shorten the angle on the cue ball when kicking, but it equates to follow on the object ball when banking.
 
Baxter said:
Inside shortens banks. Draw will shorten the angle on the cue ball when kicking, but it equates to follow on the object ball when banking.
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I agree, inside will shorten a bank and outside will make a bank go longer.

I believe, lets wait for JB to be sure!
 
John Brumback said:
Masayoshi said:
it doesn't shorten banks, but often times, when you need to shorten a bank, draw is used to get the cue ball out of the way of a double kiss.
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If draw makes the oball go long (which it does) then why would you want to put draw on a shot that you want to hold or shorten?:confused: Sorry to say,but your reasoning is an old myth. John B.
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That's right -- putting low on the cue ball to have it "get out of the way" is an old myth. The problem with that reasoning is that the object ball is coming off the cushion FASTER than any draw on the cue ball will have time to "take." So you'll get the double kiss regardless.

What folks subconsciously may've been doing -- without realizing it -- is that they are already looking at a bank that won't double-kiss to begin with, and "going extra safe" by making the object ball go long with draw on the cue ball. So the double-kiss is never there to start with.

Actually, I've found overcutting the object ball (past what you "think" would be the natural bank angle), stroking the cue ball HARD, and maybe using a touch of follow on the cue ball -- seems to beat many double-kisses.

But I'm not the caliber of banker that John is. I just wanted to agree with John that draw on the cue ball has never worked for me in beating double-kisses.

-Sean
 
John Brumback said:
If draw makes the oball go long (which it does) then why would you want to put draw on a shot that you want to hold or shorten?:confused: Sorry to say,but your reasoning is an old myth. John B.
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Because it doesn't make banks go long a significant amount. speed and/or inside will shorten the bank far more than draw will lengthen the bank.
 
Because I love bank shots and frequently practice them I'd noticed this before. However, alot of books say draw shortens the bank and I'm glad I'm not crazy to have noticed otherwise.

Thanks John! :thumbup:
 
bdorman said:
High, low, center...makes little difference compared to speed.

IMHO people equate draw with shortening a bank because they usually hit a draw shot with more speed. But it's the speed that's shortening the bank, not the draw.
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I am inclined to agree with this...
 
Thanks John! Feel a little dumb for not having noticed this myself--- maybe not dumb but more like a Lemming. Wonder what other misconceptions I am laboring under. I know a DVD I have to get.
 
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