Tip Installation issue?

Duc, I have been considering getting one of your CM98s with the CM360 shaft as my next cue and I think that this innovation you've made might be a problem for some. While I could take the train up to Queens and see you about a tip replacement, if you sold this to someone not in the NYC area they might encounter some problems.

I believe most people when they want their tip changed will go to the pool hall and see if they can do it. Most pool halls offer that service and it might not be a cue repairman behind the counter who knows the ins and outs of cue repair. The person who just knows how to replace tips and clean shafts might not be able to drill that hole correctly.

Just my two cents.
 
It might work if you found a tip that was so solid that it wouldn't even mushroom. Oh yeah, G-10 tip/ferrule combos don't mushroom. I've never met a tip that didn't mushroom, therefore a tip doesn't have enough structure to be used as a ferrule.
 
I'm going to keep testing the shaft and see if the Molavia hard mushroom. I must have only 10 hours of play so far on the shaft and every still fine with no mushroom.

Anyone interested in testing it out? The cue is available in Sunnyside, NY at Paradise billiards so if you local you're welcome to hit ball with it. I'm happy to send it out for anyone to try as long you get the cue back in one piece and provide me with your feedback. I heard all the issues with this method of installation but in the end I wonder if the trouble is worth it as the hit is different and solid.

Regards,
Duc.
 
tip replacement

Boy, I would hope the repair guy would know about this before he jumped in. What would be the problem of cutting the tip down to the face of the tenon and putting on a new tip and leaving the old leather there around the short tenon? I don't think you would see much change in performance at all.
 
This set up has been around for years and the tooling was bought by the local pool hall about 2 years ago. I have replaced a couple of tips that popped off. As stated by others the first instinct is to cut the face flat. Second, if your trying to clean up the short tenon than your going to make it smaller and the fit between the tip recess and the tenon is going to change making for a larger glue pocket.

Reason I heard given for doing this was to increase the glue area by something like 40%.

I can turn my laminated shafts down to 10mm and at that there still seems to be enough glue area to keep the tip on.

Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
 
Cuemaster98 said:
I'm going to keep testing the shaft and see if the Molavia hard mushroom. I must have only 10 hours of play so far on the shaft and every still fine with no mushroom.

Anyone interested in testing it out? The cue is available in Sunnyside, NY at Paradise billiards so if you local you're welcome to hit ball with it. I'm happy to send it out for anyone to try as long you get the cue back in one piece and provide me with your feedback. I heard all the issues with this method of installation but in the end I wonder if the trouble is worth it as the hit is different and solid.

Regards,
Duc.
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Duc, what are you looking to achieve with this ?
You're making a tip installation much more complicated and you are trying to make a tip do a job it was not designed for .
The tip needs a flat surface and it's only job is to hit the ball.
It was not designed for construction purposes.
What's next ?
Concave bottom tip ?
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Duc,
What's next ?
Concave bottom tip ?
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I have been trying for more than 2 years to get a tip maker to help me out with this one. No one will help. I have asked quite a few.
I have made proto-types but now need to produce the product.
Anyone that can laminate a tip, please contact me.
Neil
 
Hi Joey,

The first reason that came to mind for doing this was that it would be harder for the tip to be broken off my jump break cue. I first tried this method with a phenolic tip on the shaft with no ferrule and that worked out well. I had a few of my phenolic tip flew off my jump break with no ferrule and this method seem to have work perfectly so far. I decided to try this method on the regular shaft and felt that the tip has a better sound and seem to be more solid.

I think the solid feel and hit are more due to the fact that the layer is lower as Kelly mentioned. I've hit with this shaft for 15 hours now with my hard molavia and there's no sign of any mushroom to date. Will post some pic of the shaft shortly. Next test is to have a friend of my "Steve", hit a few balls. If he can't break the tip or mushroom it in 10++ shots...no one would be able to. LOL. My friend steve, mushroom a Moori "P" in 5 shots...that moori hardest tip. If you tip is not installed properly, it will be flying off in 10 plus shots.

I don't really think method is more complicated, just different and I think it should now be stronger and the hit is a little more solid (not sure the reason for it). Now, I really think this is the way all tips should be installed even on shaft with a regular ferrule. I will be trying this method on one of my high end cues and see if this would improve the playability of the shaft. Would be interesting to see if anyone else would try this method as I would like hear feedback. Give it try and let me know what you think.

What next? probably need to designed a new tip to accommodate this structure. I will need my guys in japan to make the Molavia tips with more layer to accommodate this installation method.



JoeyInCali said:
Duc, what are you looking to achieve with this ?
You're making a tip installation much more complicated and you are trying to make a tip do a job it was not designed for .
The tip needs a flat surface and it's only job is to hit the ball.
It was not designed for construction purposes.
What's next ?
Concave bottom tip ?
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Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Joey,

The first reason that came to mind for doing this was that it would be harder for the tip to be broken off my jump break cue. I first tried this method with a phenolic tip on the shaft with no ferrule and that worked out well. I had a few of my phenolic tip flew off my jump break with no ferrule and this method seem to have work perfectly so far. I decided to try this method on the regular shaft and felt that the tip has a better sound and seem to be more solid.


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Putting on a ferrule and using epoxy for the tip fixes that.
 
will8834 said:
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I was told the reason for this is it prevents the tip from mushrooming, I don not see how it would do that
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Hi,

All the pros are going to the plastic unit because they like the hit. LOL :rotflmao1:

Rick
 
I'd like to come out and try it, but it's ****ing hot outside in NYC today! :angry:

Waiting for the train underground in the summer is brutal. :rolleyes:
 
scdiveteam said:
Hi,

I can't wait to spend $ 30.00 on a tip. It must be worth it because of the "special glue". :rotflmao1:

Rick
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I have seen out here, where people cut 1/2 of the buffalo or a Lepro tip off,then use epoxy and glue a Elkmaster tip onto that.
It seems to work for the ones doing it.
 
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