Todays equilizer? And a fix? Fast cloth

To tell you the truth, the problem with pool is the pool players, not the game or the equipment. As long as dead money keep controlling the pool tournament's of the world....because there's no REQUIREMENT that a players must pass in order to be called an elite player of this sport, and therefor earn real money as a PROFESSIONAL PLAYER....there will never be any kind of sponsorships brought in to support this game of pool as a real sport....with professionals representing this sport to the world as a whole. Why don't golf handicap every professional golf tournament so that all those that don't stand a chance in hell of making a penny from the prize monies....then have a chance to win money too....just like the Pros do. Why don't bowling handicap the Pros so that the local bowlers that don't stand a chance in hell....can then share in the prize monies. Why can't guys who play hard core foot ball on the weekends with their buddies....put on a Seahawks uniform and play with the big boys on GAME DAY....AND GET PAID A LITTLE FOR THEIR EFFORTS TOO.....JUST LIKE THE PROS DO!!!.....BOTTOM LINE IS BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT TO WATCH 3 OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WOULD.....have to win their way through a field of stinking cry babies that INSIST they have a RIGHT to play against the best player in the WORLD.....BECAUSE THEY PAID THEIR F&%*ING tournament entry fee just like all their buddies did....and every one of them couch potatoes feel they have a chance to win because they've successful bastardized this sport into the screwed up mess that it's become today....by insisting on shorter races, alternating breaks, magic racks, jump cues....OR THEY WON'T PAY THEIR ENTRY FEE.....AND THEIR WON'T BE ANY TOURNAMENT WITHOUT THEIR BUMASSES.....in case you don't know what that is is called.....a free ride on their money because they CERTAINLY couldn't EARN a spot if there was a skill level test they had to be in the top 128 player list in oder to compete!!!!!

Apparently you missed post #13 in this thread!..But thats OK, at least A1712 (Brian) has seen you play, even though he may be the only one who has!

Obviously you've never seen Glen play. Go ahead and attack me, your opinion means nothing. Brian.

A few videos of your prowess as a player, may cause me to change my perspective!..Until then......:sorry:
 
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Todays fast cloth is a joke. Even Diamond asked Simonis for a slower cloth for the bar boxes. Most pool players today didn't play pool when it was slow cloth, or they weren't born yet. Forget that it's a ***** to put on, but it cost twice as much as good quality slow cloth. It's just peer pressure and Diamond comes with it. Johnnyt
 
Apparently you missed post #13 in this thread!..But thats OK, at least A1712 (Brian) has seen you play, even though he may be the only one who has!



A few videos of your prowess as a player, may cause me to change my perspective!..Until then......:sorry:

Stan Shuffet' has seen me play, as well as Allen Hopkins and John Schmidt, in fact I've played John 14.1 even for $100 a game....but, who cares anymore, I retired from playing Jan 1990.....but I do still have some game in me if the reasons are right to play again;)
 
I happen to agree that slow cloth is the way to go. Everything else has been tried to make the game tougher, and none of it works. Shrinking pockets too much takes away a lot of offensive opportunities, and all the rule changes have failed. A slow cloth makes pool athletic again. You need a powerful stroke to play well on slow conditions. The pockets play tougher because of the extra power, so there is less need to shrink them and make them unfair. Especially straight pool becomes a completely different game on slow cloth! You need good breakballs, good patterns etc. because the balls don't break out as easily. If you've never tried straight pool on a slow cloth, believe me, you are in for a surprise!

I played a tournament on Diamonds recently. Brand new 860, super springy rails and brand new balls. I hardly had to do anything to move the ball. I'm usually playing on 760 (which is faster) but I've never played on equipment that made the game easier! Even the so called tight pockets on the Diamonds seemed to take the ball better than the same size GC pockets (4.5 inches). And the rails...They played true angles, but they were so fast that moving the ball didn't take any stroke at all. For an amateur like me, it was fun to be able to just punt the ball around (at least for a while), but I can't help thinking that for a professional this must be a joke! Keep the pockets the same, slow down the rails a little bit and use slow cloth. That will make the game tough again. No need for 3 7/8 inch pockets then.
 
I agree I have played on both and the slower cloth makes for a better game requiring a more powerful stroke and you can do things you can;t do on this no nap cloth. It also lasts longer and you can jump a ball with a regular pool cue. It is a better game. That is the reason they keep making the pockets smaller the cloth makes it so easy at least until it gets some wear and then it a joke.


What shots can you play on slow cloth that you can't play on Simonis?

I started playing in the fast cloth era, so I'm curious.
 
Stan Shuffet' has seen me play, as well as Allen Hopkins and John Schmidt, in fact I've played John 14.1 even for $100 a game....but, who cares anymore, I retired from playing Jan 1990.....but I do still have some game in me if the reasons are right to play again;)

Wow, thats pretty impressive Glen.. I must admit I had you under-rated as a player!...Would an old has been, (long retired himself) who is willing to play some one pocket for some serious $$$, be enough reason to bring you out of retirement? :thumbup:

PS..Don't wait too long to decide!....Cuz the grouchy old fart, has one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel! ;)
 
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What shots can you play on slow cloth that you can't play on Simonis?

I started playing in the fast cloth era, so I'm curious.

In the sixties there was no such cloth as fast cloth, that's the time frame I started learning how to play 14.1. When as a table mechanic in the early 80's I started installing this new cloth....new to me anyway, called Iwan Simonis 760 on bar tables and 9fts in pool rooms....and loved it for playing 14.1 on as well as playing 8 ball as the racks were much easier to run out, and before any of you mouth off about not having a stroke....14.1 and 8 ball are PATTERN games in which if played right, require little movement of the cue ball, unlike 9 ball and one pocket in which the speed of the table is measured by the travel of the cue ball, 14.1 and 8 ball is all about the speed of the object balls and NOT the cue ball. You guys that keep referring to "IN THE OLD DAYS" don't even UNDERSTAND the differences in the games, and the effect ONE kind of cloth has in playing ALL games. Think about it, snooker has its cloth, 3C has its preferred cloth, so why in the world would you "in the past cry babies" NOT understand the differences in the pocket pool games played, that there's a major difference between playing games that require little movement of the cue ball, to games that require the cue ball to run around the table 3 or 4 rails in order to get position on the next shot, how many time have any of you ever seen that cue ball movement playing 14.1 or 8 ball??????
 
Wow, thats pretty impressive Glen.. I must admit I had you under-rated as a player!...Would an old has been, (long retired himself) who is willing to play some one pocket for some serious $$$, be enough reason to bring you out of retirement? :thumbup:

PS..Don't wait too long to decide!....Cuz the grouchy old fart, has one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel! ;)

Well, as I always say....I'm not old enough to play one pocket, as I still can't stand to watch grass grow or paint dry, which is pretty much like playing one pocket....but you're NEVER to old to play a little 14.1:cool:
 
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I accept that there are shots you can play on fast cloth and not on slow cloth, but the poster I was quoting said the opposite. Hence my question about which shots you can play on slow cloth that you can't play on fast cloth.
 
I accept that there are shots you can play on fast cloth and not on slow cloth, but the poster I was quoting said the opposite. Hence my question about which shots you can play on slow cloth that you can't play on fast cloth.

ONE of his "differences" was that you can jump the cue ball on slow cloth with a full length cue and that you can't do that on fast cloth.....ROTFLMAO
 
The players have always been the problem growing the sport.

The problem with keeping pool a sport not a game is the cloth. And rules made to invite a quicker finish.
As good as you play king you have to admit the skill set today is more precise but less pure talent. Less power. Just less. Improvements?
The old cloth is only shit if you can't develop the power to play on it.
The half ball game has morphed into the slow roll?
And following that thought why if you need to jump a ball should you be allowed to change Cues?
Jump it with what you got or kick.
Like the cloth more skill needed.
Do what you can to make hooks useless?
Screw jump sticks.
I am no dolt with the things.
I just almost never need one.
Taking Stimie away. Faster cloth.
No wonder everyone is so good?
Woman tours are on TV not mens. Think is it because they do not split?
The men players would do good following that same practice but, never happen.
Also there are more shots that you have to shoot on slow cloth because you just can not follow everything. Doing them and executing them are two different horses.
All the powerful shots are riskier on slow cloth and the follow everywhere is out. As is the slow roll with spin for the most part.
So you can't follow or slow roll angles have to happen. They can't be a man I can follow three rails on this full hit and out the door.
Secret? No. Why give up that.
Nick :)
 
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The problem with keeping pool a sport not a game is the cloth. And rules made to invite a quicker finish.
As good as you play king you have to admit the skill set today is more precise but less pure talent. Less power. Just less. Improvements?
The old cloth is only shit if you can't develop the power to play on it.
The half ball game has morphed into the slow roll?
And following that thought why if you need to jump a ball should you be allowed to change Cues?
Jump it with what you got or kick.
Like the cloth more skill needed.
Do what you can to make hooks useless?
Screw jump sticks.
I am no dolt with the things.
I just almost never need one.
Taking Stimie away. Faster cloth.
No wonder everyone is so good?
Woman tours are on TV not mens. Think is it because they do not split?
The men players would do good following that same practice but, never happen.
Also there are more shots that you have to shoot on slow cloth because you just can not follow everything. Doing them and executing them are two different horses.
All the powerful shots are riskier on slow cloth and the follow everywhere is out. As is the slow roll with spin for the most part.
So you can't follow or slow roll angles have to happen. They can't be a man I can follow three rails on this full hit and out the door.
Secret? No. Why give up that.
Nick :)

Do you understand how much damage has been done to the game of pool because of the usage of racking aids? Breaking the rack has turned into the first planned shot of the game to all those who are willing to put in the time to study the break shot, whereas if the triangle rack was still being used, the break shot would still be a chance shot to make a ball on the break and have a shot to get started with...because human error would be involved in racking the balls....once again, so the games would not be decided by who has the best break anymore, they'd be won by the players that shoot and move the best....AFTER the break!
 
Slow cloth demands power.

Especially that coupled with even straighter shooting. Because power comes into play even straighter and tighter aiming and clean contact is needed.
Adjustments can blow a clean strike on the rock way more when the cloth grabs as soon as you hit it.
With speed comes more control? No.
Lack of speed makes no sense unless you are on fast cloth.
Slow roll on slow cloth is a no go.
Slow roll on fast cloth is the game.
Take that away. It was never part of the game as a way to play. As a fact it broke more strokes that anything else because when you had to hit a ball you got wrist lock and missed.
This fast cloth. Bump bump bump.
This fast cloth gives up too much to a less powerful player.
I do not like that at all.
Nick :)
 
Is just that.
Handicapped.
Handicap the world?
Why have pockets?
Hit the rail and shoot again!
There is a reason for everything.
Slow cloth would have to be played roll out.
Really,
The best male players can not show their dominance as easily. They give up too much. It is possible to play at a very high level and display little power. Try that slow roll and spin on slow cloth. Try that two rail reverse follow. 12 foot draw.
You can try. On slow cloth you do or you loose. Because the shot selection of today is useless on the classic equipment.
Diamod tables would be unplayable unless reworked. The pockets you see and the rails are all wrong for the pool everyone played for well ever.
Yes the game is handicapped by the cloth.
No let me rephrase that.
The sport is now less of a sport and more of a game.
Nick :)

Fast cloth sucks for pocket billiards. Simonis and it's peer pressure inflated price sucks the worst. Johnnyt
 
Fast cloth sucks for pocket billiards. Simonis and it's peer pressure inflated price sucks the worst. Johnnyt

If these things frustrate you and Nick this badly, perhaps you should both just quit playing pool. Some people b*tch for the sake of b*tching.
 
Especially that coupled with even straighter shooting. Because power comes into play even straighter and tighter aiming and clean contact is needed.
Adjustments can blow a clean strike on the rock way more when the cloth grabs as soon as you hit it.
With speed comes more control? No.
Lack of speed makes no sense unless you are on fast cloth.
Slow roll on slow cloth is a no go.
Slow roll on fast cloth is the game.
Take that away. It was never part of the game as a way to play. As a fact it broke more strokes that anything else because when you had to hit a ball you got wrist lock and missed.
This fast cloth. Bump bump bump.
This fast cloth gives up too much to a less powerful player.
I do not like that at all.
Nick :)

Bring back maces and clay balls!!!
 
Do you understand how much damage has been done to the game of pool because of the usage of racking aids? Breaking the rack has turned into the first planned shot of the game to all those who are willing to put in the time to study the break shot, whereas if the triangle rack was still being used, the break shot would still be a chance shot to make a ball on the break and have a shot to get started with...because human error would be involved in racking the balls....once again, so the games would not be decided by who has the best break anymore, they'd be won by the players that shoot and move the best....AFTER the break!

There's a game that proves who the best player is, and takes the break out of the game. It's called 14.1......
 
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