Today's pro level versus the pros of 1986
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You sure that player wouldn't complain about jump cues and simonis and cry for pushout rules?
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Good Point!
Good point! Few if any of the top players we have been talking about would. Some of those deeper in the field would scream like wounded virgins! I remember when there was a huge commotion over the color of cloth and being required to use house chalk to match the cloth, a rule some ignored.
I have played on most colors of cloth. God meant for pool to be played on green cloth and he is tolerant of blue. I distrust the tan colors but they play OK too. Red or black cloth is at least a venal sin. Funny about the howls when everyone had to play on it though.
When I was very young I was sometimes unable to resist stirring the pot when people were already upset about conditions. Throw in a couple good rumors and the place would be alight!
Hu
Good point! Few if any of the top players we have been talking about would. Some of those deeper in the field would scream like wounded virgins! I remember when there was a huge commotion over the color of cloth and being required to use house chalk to match the cloth, a rule some ignored.
I have played on most colors of cloth. God meant for pool to be played on green cloth and he is tolerant of blue. I distrust the tan colors but they play OK too. Red or black cloth is at least a venal sin. Funny about the howls when everyone had to play on it though.
When I was very young I was sometimes unable to resist stirring the pot when people were already upset about conditions. Throw in a couple good rumors and the place would be alight!
Hu
I can't say whether or not he was mad but, I do have a feeling he is clueless when it comes to knowing what it takes to ....as he said.....make 626 balls for Chit-n-giggles.
I have a feeling he's never busted 100....or even 50 in 14.1 free play....but, like some others that don't stop him from "talking a good game"....
I may be wrong but, until I see a vid of him beating another player ....hell....or even the ghost......or.....lol....a vid of him just making balls in 14.1 for Chit-n-giggles....I will.hold to my assumption.
I doubt very seriously we will be proven wrong unless we just "talk" about pool...at that point, lol....he may be a champ.
Jeff
I'm going to break 626. I just need shaved 6 1/2 inch pockets with dead rails.
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"smarts"
"Smarts" used to come with age. Physical skills might be better after a few decades but the big deal is that a player knew a lot more. Today, that "old man's knowledge" is something that can be purchased by book, video, or instruction. When we see a young person's body paired with an old person's knowledge then we see monster play.
I was at a decent sized tournament. Some young strangers had entered. I had an idea who they were but I didn't see that it mattered or was my business. These young men played an old man's game. They left out with about ten thousand dollars more than they came with.
Hu
"Smarts" used to come with age. Physical skills might be better after a few decades but the big deal is that a player knew a lot more. Today, that "old man's knowledge" is something that can be purchased by book, video, or instruction. When we see a young person's body paired with an old person's knowledge then we see monster play.
I was at a decent sized tournament. Some young strangers had entered. I had an idea who they were but I didn't see that it mattered or was my business. These young men played an old man's game. They left out with about ten thousand dollars more than they came with.
Hu
If anyone wants a larger sample of TPAs, here is a page with all 20+ of the Accu-Stats newsletters:
http://sfbilliards.com/accustats/
wow, what an *amazing* resource!
I really had no idea that accu-stats ("stats"..I should have known)
was doing it like that
so cool to pore over this stuff
I'm sure I'm late to the party
and I can't help but wonder why
matches today don't keep close to what stats
accu was doing
so cool tho..
bob :bow-down:
One thing everyone seems to have missed once you talk about the better players: It is totally unfair to expect the players of yesteryear to compete on modern equipment - only. If there were such a possibility to do a time tunnel etc. you would have to let both groups play on both types of equipment - long sets and then also the popular games from then and now. This would be a fair comparison of skills.
Something like Straight Pool, 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball, 1P and 3 Cushion or even balkline varieties on equipment of the era. The games from both eras on both types of equipment but with the appropriate rule sets.
In that case I would not bet a lot of money on either group of 10 best players of each era.
Something like Straight Pool, 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball, 1P and 3 Cushion or even balkline varieties on equipment of the era. The games from both eras on both types of equipment but with the appropriate rule sets.
In that case I would not bet a lot of money on either group of 10 best players of each era.
Pat Fleming approached me at Derby City to clarify this. Pat had given permission for the men's pro tour to use his methodology, but they made some modifications to it, and it is the modified version to which I have referred. Pat explained that the unmodified version of Accu-stats TPA calculations in those years is the same as that used today.
The confusion for me stemmed from the fact that it was Pat himself who taught me how to keep the stats using the modified methodology. My assumption that this was how Accu-stats were computed back then was in error, so I'll offer an apology to Pat, my friend of many years to whom I've done an injustice, even though he took it all in stride, understanding the source of my confusion.
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I think so.