Too Tough To Shoot?
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It looks like different posters have different diagrams of the cut shot on the 1-ball. The diagram in post #1 is not the same as the cut shot shown in post #16.
From the original diagram shown in post #1, with that thin of a cut shot on the 1, you will be lucky to make the 1 and still get decent shape on the 2.
DCP, have you tried shooting this shot again on the pool table you have at home? What were the results?
From the original diagram shown in post #1, with that thin of a cut shot on the 1, you will be lucky to make the 1 and still get decent shape on the 2.
DCP, have you tried shooting this shot again on the pool table you have at home? What were the results?
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It might look something more like this if you put left and intend to make the 1:
When hit hard enough to still have that much spin on the cue ball when it hits the second rail, I don't think the spin will catch that much off the first rail..
To get that much spread, the cue ball needs to be moving fairly slowly when it hits the first rail..
I think this is what the path would look like:
Russ
To get that much spread, the cue ball needs to be moving fairly slowly when it hits the first rail..
I think this is what the path would look like:
Russ
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belmicah said:
Belmicah,
Can you diagram the safe on the 1? It seems like the only safe would be to follow just past the 1 and knock the 1 back to the other side of the table. There's not much rail in between the 1 and pocket to land on, and it also looks like the 1 ball will turn to the right a slight bit, possibly causing a kiss when the 1 ball comes back off the rail.
Thanks,
Russ
Hierovision said:
Definitely a 'D' shot--'D'signed to lose. If your opponet is any good you will definitely be kicking in your next inning at the table--probably with the cueball in the vicinity of the two and the one ball on the head rail around where the three is now.
VIProfessor said:
LOL I like that "'D'signed to lose."
I don't shoot those, but I see them a LOT in APA (hence the APA Classic). Believe me I punish it when I see it.
I assume you used a hair of left to try to get the cueball uptable? If so, that's what made the shot more difficult. It's also amazing how much more swerve you might seem to get when shooting with english off the rail.DrCue'sProtege said:
So, either aim thicker, or don't go for such close position. Longer position is probably the best you should hope for. That is, cinch the one, and be happy you can see some paint on the 2-ball.
http://CueTable.com/P/?@2AXXi4BDpW2...UXXi2UYWb2UWjK2UXYG1kbBU2kWRQ2kacE1kbPj2kSmn@
Fred
Cornerman said:
Exactly! Cut the one in with no english, and you naturally go back and forth to end up in about the center of the table. You can work from there.
BTW, this Cornerman guy seems kinda bright! I wonder if he went to UMASS?
Actually just watched a semi-pro match (on the level of Scott Frost) and they were able to use that type of shot, and used it quite effectively.Hierovision said:
Both sides had to do a couple of subtle maneuvers where they could try to get an edge from repeated uses of the position. When finally making the play to try to hook their opponent (by using a different position), the end result was not nearly as effective as they had imagined. Very easy to sell out, attempting an alternate hook, especially considering that if the players were left even the slightest breathing room, they were gonna run out. And even if you left them hooked, they were still very likely to get a good hit, and possibly even make the ball, or hook em back.
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Cornerman said:
LMAO, Fred! Hey, it looks like we didn't turn out TOO bad, after all.
Take it easy, bro!
belmicah said:To VIProfessor: That's definitely the offensive shot in this situation. Let me try to pull up a cuetable for my safety.
I thought about that option, but IMHO, the one ball is too close to the side rail and to the corner pocket for that safety. The way I see it, you're going to have to cut the ball almost at a half-ball hit to avoid the double kiss, and the cue ball is just going to end up doubling out of the courner without ever touching the three ball. The cue ball is not going to have enough time to move forward of the tangent line to any significant degree before it hits the rail.
belmicah said:Yeah, I thought about that, and Russ pointed it out. I guess I would have to see it in person. What about this?
If you get the 1 anywhere but exactly behind the three, yer dead meat. If you come up even a 1/3 of an inch short, your opponent is close enough to get a good hit and leave you at best 9 feet from the 1. If you shoot a hair too hard and the 1 peeks out the other side, you leave your opponent a fairly easy cut shot in the corner, or at worst a super thin safety that is not that hard to hit.
The only decent outcome to be had is if you get the 1 exactly behind the 3.. Not good.
Russ
How I'd play it:
1. Try to hit the 1 as fat as possible while still making it, meaning try to bobble it into the pocket as shown.
2. Jack up a little (not enough to be doing masse) and use a tip of left, so that the cueball curves/swerves a bit, but not so much that it's completely unpredictable. I tried to draw the curve here. It's really subtle but you're actually changing the angle that the CB is approaching the OB... that can really help how far down off the rail it comes.
3. Pick a speed that is slow enough for the english to take pretty well on the first rail, but hard enough to get it to travel two rails and out. Not sure without actually shooting it if that's possible, you might be in a catch-22 where the speed needed to make it go back and forth keeps the sidespin from really taking.
Take it with a grain of salt. This is how I'd try to do it. All bets are off on whether or not I'd succeed I just see this as the only possible way to shoot, which means you handled it correctly I guess... just missed the ball. That's ok, it's very missable, ignore that C-and-D-players comment. Note that by trying to hit the fat side of the pocket you probably have a safer result if it all goes wrong and you undercut the ball.
1. Try to hit the 1 as fat as possible while still making it, meaning try to bobble it into the pocket as shown.
2. Jack up a little (not enough to be doing masse) and use a tip of left, so that the cueball curves/swerves a bit, but not so much that it's completely unpredictable. I tried to draw the curve here. It's really subtle but you're actually changing the angle that the CB is approaching the OB... that can really help how far down off the rail it comes.
3. Pick a speed that is slow enough for the english to take pretty well on the first rail, but hard enough to get it to travel two rails and out. Not sure without actually shooting it if that's possible, you might be in a catch-22 where the speed needed to make it go back and forth keeps the sidespin from really taking.
Take it with a grain of salt. This is how I'd try to do it. All bets are off on whether or not I'd succeed
I just see this as the only possible way to shoot, which means you handled it correctly I guess... just missed the ball. That's ok, it's very missable, ignore that C-and-D-players comment. Note that by trying to hit the fat side of the pocket you probably have a safer result if it all goes wrong and you undercut the ball.CreeDo said:How I'd play it:
1. Try to hit the 1 as fat as possible while still making it, meaning try to bobble it into the pocket as shown.
2. Jack up a little (not enough to be doing masse) and use a tip of left, so that the cueball curves/swerves a bit, but not so much that it's completely unpredictable. I tried to draw the curve here. It's really subtle but you're actually changing the angle that the CB is approaching the OB... that can really help how far down off the rail it comes.
3. Pick a speed that is slow enough for the english to take pretty well on the first rail, but hard enough to get it to travel two rails and out. Not sure without actually shooting it if that's possible, you might be in a catch-22 where the speed needed to make it go back and forth keeps the sidespin from really taking.
Take it with a grain of salt. This is how I'd try to do it. All bets are off on whether or not I'd succeed
i just set this shot up, and it came off exactly as this diagram. hit it top, with a little left, and it hit short of the side pocket and drifted back down like this arrow. had a makeable shot on the 2-Ball.
this was what i was trying to do from the very beginning, guess i must have had the cue jacked up a little instead of level on the table, and masse'd a little and completely missed the 1-Ball.
DCP