Dries faster, harder, more volatile and clearer he said.masonh said:
I'll get the number and PM you.
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WheatCues
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Bill the Cat said:Hi Eddie,
I tried to reply to your PM, but I guess you must be getting a lot of messages and I couldn't get through. So.......
Sorry if I stirred up a hornets nest here. My comment was not directed at your choice of finishes or your "professionalism". Just your choice of wording. "We all use....."
That implies that you are speaking for everyone in the forum. I simply pointed out the inaccuracy of that choice of wording. In case you missed it, I even includedto show that my comment was tongue-in-cheek.
From there, things seemed to go downhill. IMHO, that was fueled by your attitude. When I post something here, it's to tell someone what I did and how it did or did not work for me. Then it's up to the reader to decide what works best for them. Your attitude seems to be "I am the authority and that's that". Sorry, but not to many people will respond well to that.
As far as the PM you sent to me, thank you for taking the time to try to help a clueless novice
Yes I'm realizing I'm not always coming across as I intend to, and perhaps I need to really read it back thoroughly, to see how it sounds before I post.
I have stressed countless times that I'm only trying to help and offer what I have experienced, and the knowledge I have gained through other's as well !
I am asking each and everyone of you to please not read into my posts personally.... I am a very nice guy and will go out of my way to help ANYONE, and I know you guys have the wrong impression of me...
I do NOT consider myself an authority on any subject.... but I guess my years of working in "sales" make me come off overally confident and insensitive at times.... And I can assure you that I do NOT mean to sound crass or arrogant.... I am completely different than that.... those of you who have verbally spoken with me know I'm very passionate about my work and the industry, and I can get a little overzealous at times, but they have to agree that I'm very geuine with my word !
As most of you know, I stand by my convictions and do not back down from an attack, however, I'm not proud of some of my counter-attacks on those who have provoked me in the past here on AZ....
I know I have caused friction in the past without malice, and I thought since all you guys got to know me by now, you are aware of my disposition and intent....
So on that note, I shall choose my words more carefully to avoid further misconceptions of my honest intentions, and especially to fellow cuemakers "with the exception of special Dave Barbugg or however the hell he spells it "
Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
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WheatCues
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BarenbruggeCues said:
Your a violent person aren't you Dave ? I can see your anger in your words.. especially the constant "spouting crap" reference...
I thought a man in your position would have a more diverse vocabulary and conduct themselves in an adult manner....
But YOU seem to think your better than everyone else just by your "self importance" you continually stress with these pitiful retorts....
And you are absolutely correct when you said "I don't have a clue" because I can't figure out if your a bully or a professional cuemaker....
You aren't a people person are you Dave?
And for the record ... you took it upon yourself to go out of your way after I made several attempts to resolve this rationally with you, to bash me infront of everyone !
For a professional cuemaker you are acting "godlike" with arrogant overtones.... I can understand why you just lost two potential customers to me, because of your "sh*t don't stink" attitude !
If your such a master cuemaker and you are solidified in this industry, then no matter what any else says that should NOT an anyway, shape or form hurt you or your mega-sales at all ! "sounds like a delicate ego and/or a confidence problem to me".
I was answering someone elses question to begin with.... I did not ask you anything, you felt compelled to jump in and bash me and completely disrespect the gentleman's legitimate question and show your ass !
If you were a professional than you would have directed your input toward the question at hand and NOT at one of many who were just trying to offer some assistance, for someone that states you are above me, you sure as hell jumped on me when I said "we" in the post ! so tell me... if your above me then how can anything I say include "you" since you are so much better than me and do not consider us in the same cuemaker category ? "I think you need to wipe off you shoe Dave, you stepped in a big pile" !
Get over yourself Special Dave! Your just a cuemaker.........
And one more thing..... I am completely finished with this discrepancy, I will not be responding any longer to your self-centered spouts, so I know you have to have the last word becasue that is just your mentality... so go ahead and bash me again in front of everyone, so you can be 1 up on me !
Oh and how can I call you, if you won't give me your number ???? I asked you several times but I guess you are just way to busy to talk about urethanes with me !
Tell me something .... do you only talk to potential customers and those who have spent money with you? or are you just too self-important to talk to another fellow cuemaker even one as "lowly" as me ?
Goodluck to you Special Dave..... and I mean that as a person not as a cuemaker......
Sorry all of you have to see this childish crap, but we are all people and our jobs, success or stardom should NOT dictate who we are and how we perceive ourselves and treat others..... "have you ever noticed the more famous someone is, the more self-righteous they tend to act ?"
Sincerely and with the uptmost respect to everyone viewing this post.
-Eddie Wheat
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WheatCues said:
See eddie......there you go again. If anyone needs the help, it's you. That's very plain and obvious to most here who just tolerate you. See, I also tolerated you until you lumped everyone in with your "we" stuff. Just do us all a favor and from now on make sure when your spreading your cue building wisdom that you use phrases like "in my uneducated opinion" to express yourself. Because you've shown time and time again thats what we're hearing from you anyway. I love how you try to drive the spot light off yourself and have done your best to belittle me when all I was trying to do is help. See eddie this isn't about vocabulary or who I am or any of that stuff that you portray in your above post. This about a guy named eddie wheat who only thinks he knows what he is doing. Someone who comes on the forum and tells everyone how to do stuff his professional way and then tells everyone that he learned these things from some very well respected cuemakers.
When everyone here knows damn good and well these respected cuemakers aren't doing things this way.
You didn't learn.....
See eddie...I don't have to come here and lie and make things up to make myself look like I know what I'm doing or talk big game. Everyone here already knows who I am and what I'm about. So see it doesn't really matter what lies you concoct or stories you write about me ...people already know about me. It's eddie wheat their finding out about now. Someone who has finally after years of experience figured out how to glue his ferrules on with cynoacrolate glue in his local neighborhood and after years of getting his back patted by all his buddies now wants to take this ambition national. Hell, maybe world-wide someday for all we know. See eddie, try as you might the spot light is on you, not me. Trust me, I already know how to attach a ferrule on a shaft and I can tell you it sure isn't with cyno.
I really am sorry....sorry I ever tried to help to someone who is unteachable....someone who already knows everything there is to know about building cues. Yes, your absolutely correct on only one thing...we're all just cuemakers here eddie. Cuemakers that try to help and guide people to do the right things. Maybe one day, you too can do the right thing and quit lying and making things up to make yourself look like your someone your not. Next time you stop by Pete's place maybe you should listen to him. I know for a fact he builds a few solid cues. Since no one here seems to be able to help you out by the grace of God he may.
I'm sure there are a few unsuspecting people starting out in the cuemaking field that you've buffaloed with your bullshit...It just so happens I'm not one. Nope I'm the one that got tired of your "we shit" and spoke up about it on everyones behalf and knew from your previous retorts that you would show your ass once again. See eddie...I'm a big boy I can take all the mud you can sling...it's not going to affect me one bit.
So keep running mouth and showing your ass and maybe you too can get to the national level that much quicker.
I really am sorry....sorry I ever tried to help to someone who is unteachable
I'm on my way there. Caseload of root beer bottles.
Show me all the gadgets.
It's ONLY cuemaking you know.
I'm on my way there. Caseload of root beer bottles.
Show me all the gadgets.
It's ONLY cuemaking you know.
Don't Bring A Cuestick To A Knife Fight
After reading the banter and repartee between Wheat and Barenbrugge, heres a couple of comments and seriously astute observations
1) Wheat has lots of info on cuemaking and loves to share it. Some of it probably correct and some of it is obviously not.
2) Dave doesn't like Eddie
3) Eddie doesn't like Dave
4) I like the dog
5) Eddie will probably sell a few cues as a result of this exchange.
After reading the banter and repartee between Wheat and Barenbrugge, heres a couple of comments and seriously astute observations
1) Wheat has lots of info on cuemaking and loves to share it. Some of it probably correct and some of it is obviously not.
2) Dave doesn't like Eddie
3) Eddie doesn't like Dave
4) I like the dog
5) Eddie will probably sell a few cues as a result of this exchange.
I like Dave. Why, I don't know.KCarson1 said:After reading the banter and repartee between Wheat and Barenbrugge, heres a couple of comments and seriously astute observations
1) Wheat has lots of info on cuemaking and loves to share it. Some of it probably correct and some of it is obviously not.
2) Dave doesn't like Eddie
3) Eddie doesn't like Dave
4) I like the dog
5) Eddie will probably sell a few cues as a result of this exchange.
Kinda like we like rainy days sometimes.
I think most of the cuemakers in this forum are pretty nice guys. At least they try to share their experience and knowledge with others. Sometimes we cuemakers are a little too sensitive about our cuemaking and often take things too seriously.
I have spoken to Eddie on the phone and he seems to be a very nice person (in person) just like most of us are. Something happens to us when it comes to these newsgroups and forums (out pops someone I don't even know "MYSELF INCLUDED" and probably most of all.
Eddie mentioned in one post that he used superglue to install a ferrule. I for one have never tried that but maybe it works. It obviously works for him so maybe its OK.
He also mentioned that all cuemakers use automotive clear coat. well, thats just not the case. I for one have used Water Based Clear Coat for over 2 years and it works just fine. Other cuemakers have tried to use the same product and it has not worked out for them. Paul Dayton was by my shop a few weeks ago and was very surprised at how clear and shiney my cues are. In fact he took some home with him to try. The point here is that I was not offended when Eddie used the term "all" instead of "I".
Now that I have been participating in these forums for over 10 years I try not to take offense quite so easily, in fact I usually wait a day or two before I responde to a post that I find to be offensive. Sometimes that is not enough time.
We all need to realize that there is more than one way to build a cue. Most of the techniques that cuemakers use are more than satisfactory or their cues would fall apart and their business would fail.
We need to work together and help out each other as much as possible.
I sure hope this post does not get me in trouble with anybody.
Good Cuemaking,
I have spoken to Eddie on the phone and he seems to be a very nice person (in person) just like most of us are. Something happens to us when it comes to these newsgroups and forums (out pops someone I don't even know "MYSELF INCLUDED" and probably most of all.
Eddie mentioned in one post that he used superglue to install a ferrule. I for one have never tried that but maybe it works. It obviously works for him so maybe its OK.
He also mentioned that all cuemakers use automotive clear coat. well, thats just not the case. I for one have used Water Based Clear Coat for over 2 years and it works just fine. Other cuemakers have tried to use the same product and it has not worked out for them. Paul Dayton was by my shop a few weeks ago and was very surprised at how clear and shiney my cues are. In fact he took some home with him to try. The point here is that I was not offended when Eddie used the term "all" instead of "I".
Now that I have been participating in these forums for over 10 years I try not to take offense quite so easily, in fact I usually wait a day or two before I responde to a post that I find to be offensive. Sometimes that is not enough time.
We all need to realize that there is more than one way to build a cue. Most of the techniques that cuemakers use are more than satisfactory or their cues would fall apart and their business would fail.
We need to work together and help out each other as much as possible.
I sure hope this post does not get me in trouble with anybody.
Good Cuemaking,
KCarson1 said:After reading the banter and repartee between Wheat and Barenbrugge, heres a couple of comments and seriously astute observations
1) Wheat has lots of info on cuemaking and loves to share it. Some of it probably correct and some of it is obviously not.
2) Dave doesn't like Eddie
3) Eddie doesn't like Dave
4) I like the dog
5) Eddie will probably sell a few cues as a result of this exchange.
It's none of my business, but most everything you said is correct. But even though Eddie will likely sell a couple cues through this, I don't think he'll be taking any away from Dave. They are in two totally different spectrums of the feild. Certain people buy Dave's cues, and certain people will try Eddie's cues, but they'll most likely not be the same people.
I feel similar about the situation as Dave, but I never cared to be so frisky
Some of the things posted to "teach" or "influence" newbies is straight up bad technique & could cause much more serious harm than good. A newbie follows this advice & ruins a customers cue beyond logical repair, and he'll never get a fighting chance in the industry. Sharing knowledge is fine, but not all knowledge is good. One has to be wise enough to know the difference, and have the experience to know how much knowledge a newbie can handle.I relate it to seeing the common C player teaching other players like they really know their stuff. I see it everywhere I play. An "A" player will give advice & tips, but will not spend the extended time giving detailed lessons at the table. But a "C" player will go on for hours sharing his "knowledge". The student gets more useful knowledge from the few words spoken by the "A" player than he'll get from a 2-hour lecture from the "C". Some "C" players evolve into "A" or solid "B" players, most do not.
We need to work together and help out each other as much as possible.
tap tap tap
Unfortunately in this business, there's a lot of jealousy, knockers, downers, badmouthers, gossipers and crab.
Actually, kinda almost true in every endeavor. But, such mentality I can't figure out. If someone is really successful, I try to find out why he is.
Some would just try to knock him or try to bring his level down.
tap tap tap
Unfortunately in this business, there's a lot of jealousy, knockers, downers, badmouthers, gossipers and crab.
Actually, kinda almost true in every endeavor. But, such mentality I can't figure out. If someone is really successful, I try to find out why he is.
Some would just try to knock him or try to bring his level down.
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Plug and pray.qbilder said:Nice statement, Joey. Makes good sense & is true. So what are your secrets to success? C'mon, we are all buddies here
Dick,
we all know that your old grouch
we all know that your old grouch
One day he had too much Bud.JBCustomCues said:Dick,
we all know that your old grouch
He put out his secret veneer jig.
Eddie Wheat,
DO NOT, under any circumstances, TRIFLE with Dave B.
He is one mean, nasty, dust sucking, ass whooping cuebuilder.
Its not my place to let everyone know what he did prior to building cues but, as a warning to Eddie, the WWF and the World Kick Boxing Association hasn't been the same since he retired.
What that man can do to a piece of wood with his bare hands is unspeakable.
That really is a cool lookin little doggie pooch!!
DO NOT, under any circumstances, TRIFLE with Dave B.
He is one mean, nasty, dust sucking, ass whooping cuebuilder.
Its not my place to let everyone know what he did prior to building cues but, as a warning to Eddie, the WWF and the World Kick Boxing Association hasn't been the same since he retired.
What that man can do to a piece of wood with his bare hands is unspeakable.
That really is a cool lookin little doggie pooch!!